gral

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Fighting over what exactly ?
Power.

Congress let the STF run amok during the Bolsonaro administration, usurping many of the powers of the office of the president. Now it's time to see which branch of the government will emerge as the supreme one, the Judicial or the Legislative one. The fact that the new head of the STF is a petty, vain and vengeful man which is determined to keep the newfound power of the STF is what is kickstarting this fight, as well as the fact that now that Bolsonaro and his supporters are safely contained, and Congress has effectively sidelined the Executive Branch, the Legislative(the Senate, in particular, with the House of Representatives backing them) wishes to roll back the power STF got.
 

49ersfootball

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Power.

Congress let the STF run amok during the Bolsonaro administration, usurping many of the powers of the office of the president. Now it's time to see which branch of the government will emerge as the supreme one, the Judicial or the Legislative one. The fact that the new head of the STF is a petty, vain and vengeful man which is determined to keep the newfound power of the STF is what is kickstarting this fight, as well as the fact that now that Bolsonaro and his supporters are safely contained, and Congress has effectively sidelined the Executive Branch, the Legislative(the Senate, in particular, with the House of Representatives backing them) wishes to roll back the power STF got.
The Brazilian version of ABC's General Hospital.
 

TheRejectionist

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Good on the Israelis and the Brazilian agency. Brazilian Jews are Brazilians first and foremost and we should protect them just like any other Brazilian, though I don't trust Reuters to tell the truth.
On the other hand, considering who's the president, I am even more surprised.
 

gral

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Had no idea Brazil had their own version of the CIA.
The Brazilian Intelligence Agency(Abin) is extremely focused on internal politics, being more of a watchman for the Office of the President, and can't be really said to be an equivalent to CIA.

AFAIK, only the Military really does foreign intelligence work, everyone else - with the possible exception of the Foreign Ministry - is focused on police work(which does count as foreign intelligence work sometimes) and/or watching the political fights in Brasília.
 

49ersfootball

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The Brazilian Intelligence Agency(Abin) is extremely focused on internal politics, being more of a watchman for the Office of the President, and can't be really said to be an equivalent to CIA.

AFAIK, only the Military really does foreign intelligence work, everyone else - with the possible exception of the Foreign Ministry - is focused on police work(which does count as foreign intelligence work sometimes) and/or watching the political fights in Brasília.
When was the Brazilian Intelligence Agency established ?
 

gral

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The current one after the end of the military dictatorship.
Bit later than that; mid-90s(FHC administration, IIRC). The earlier National Information Service was extinguished in the Collor administration, and that is said to have contributed to his impeachment(as he didn't have an eye on the political machinations to get him out going around).
 

49ersfootball

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Bit later than that; mid-90s(FHC administration, IIRC). The earlier National Information Service was extinguished in the Collor administration, and that is said to have contributed to his impeachment(as he didn't have an eye on the political machinations to get him out going around).
That's why Collor got impeached & removed from office ?

WOW!

Basically Collor & Rousseff are the only two Brazilian Presidents to have been impeached & removed from office.
 

gral

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That's why Collor got impeached & removed from office ?
No, that was a contributing factor. Collor got impeached because:

- He wanted to replace everyone who got their fingers in some pie(whether that pie was a hustle by congressmen to get themselves money from the government, or the biggest media conglomerate in Brazil) with his own cronies; that is, only his 'friends' were allowed to sack the public purse;

- His economic policy was a disaster, with even the measures that had positive effects later on being pretty hard on the lower and middle classes in the short-term, which meant he was hated by a majority of the population.

Unpopularity + Congress being out to get you = impeachment. What the lack of a spy service did to Collor was he didn't see where the attacks would come from(and so it was a contributing factor).

Even Bolsonaro(which had large, politically influential sectors out to get him both in the political environment and outside it) couldn't be impeached, because he wasn't unpopular enough. Both Collor and Dilma polled less than 10% approval by the time they were impeached.
 

49ersfootball

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No, that was a contributing factor. Collor got impeached because:

- He wanted to replace everyone who got their fingers in some pie(whether that pie was a hustle by congressmen to get themselves money from the government, or the biggest media conglomerate in Brazil) with his own cronies; that is, only his 'friends' were allowed to sack the public purse;

- His economic policy was a disaster, with even the measures that had positive effects later on being pretty hard on the lower and middle classes in the short-term, which meant he was hated by a majority of the population.

Unpopularity + Congress being out to get you = impeachment. What the lack of a spy service did to Collor was he didn't see where the attacks would come from(and so it was a contributing factor).

Even Bolsonaro(which had large, politically influential sectors out to get him both in the political environment and outside it) couldn't be impeached, because he wasn't unpopular enough. Both Collor and Dilma polled less than 10% approval by the time they were impeached.
Who was the last Brazilian President to leave office super popular ?
 

gral

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Either Itamar Franco, or Lula, from the top of my head. Itamar Franco had more than 50% approval when he left, IIRC. I don't know how much approval Lula had when he left, but considering he easily elected his successor...
 

49ersfootball

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Either Itamar Franco, or Lula, from the top of my head. Itamar Franco had more than 50% approval when he left, IIRC. I don't know how much approval Lula had when he left, but considering he easily elected his successor...
Franco was prevented from succeeding himself in seeking a 1st full 4-year term in 1994 for some weird reason 🤔
 

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