So ignoring the one nazi line then, the position you're taking is "leftists think they're far right, so you should support them?"
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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Yeah, it's a pretty good indicator of who to support if crazy leftists think them their enemy.
The crackdown on leftism, on top of that, is an even better reason in and of itself, but hey, we didn't talk about that part of the meme because that's less spicy.
But you were also arguing that leftist opinions were useless?
I'm trying to steel man here, in earnest.
So your opinion is that if leftists think them their enemy, there's probably a good bet that they're good to support, even if most of the left's opinions on such are useless.
In other words, their opinions are useless as insults, but "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Is that accurate? If so, I can actually mostly agree with that logic. I still don't want to be involved in Ukraine, but the logic is decently solid.
And not just any enemy, but apparently a quite right wing enemy (consider the economic part too).
Mostly accurate.
His delusional propaganda version of how this complex political matter stands is not worth crying over, so i laugh.
My life heavily depends om what happens in the world.
IndyFront
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This is the same dude who called me antisemitic for criticizing the State of israel bombing civilians
mrttao
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> Struggling to put food on the table
> Rich guys stealing what little you have and gifting it to other countries
> Calling you short sighted and stupid for objecting.
lol. lmao even
IndyFront
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You're an authoritarian who gives leftists everything they could ever want: a boogeyman off of which to project their various psychoses
Becouse in Poland we have,basically,3 kind of people:
1.ex-commies/leftists,who do not care about murdered poles,becouse they hate us.
2.Normal people like me,who remember all murdered poles,do not matter who murdered them.
3.People like @Marduk ,who hate Moscov more then they love Poland,so forget about polish children tortured to death by UPA,becouse they fought Moscov,too.
for me everybody who tortured children to death was monster,no matter which children it was.If UPA murdered Apaches,not poles,i would condemn them the same.
Well,he did so.But - that is what almost all jews in Izrael are doing now,so - do not be suprised.This is the same dude who called me antisemitic for criticizing the State of israel bombing civilians
People like him ,for unknown reason,belive that jews had special rights compared to other people.Dunno why,for me every nation have the same rights.
mrttao
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This is called contrarianism
I see a lot of people falling into advocating for what was literal strawman because leftists claim to be against it.
> Reagan: we should lower taxes. which will unleash the free market.
> Bush Sr: you just want to take from the poor and give to the rich. I call this trickle down economics
> Reagan: no, that is not what I said. we lower taxes for everyone. the money flows up, down, sidesides and every which way and the economy gets better
> Years Later
> School textbooks: "Reagan was an evil man who promoted trickle down economics, which is taking from the poor and giving to the rich"
> Some contrarians I know: "I support taking from the poor and giving to the rich. because the leftists are against it. this means it works"
Taking from the poor and giving to the rich is called feudalism / robber barons. it is what we are experiencing right now with the WEF scumbags destroying the middle class. "you will own nothing and be happy". "bailout the megacorps". etc.
This is bad, and awful. and is NOT the same as lowering taxes.
I have seen various other contrarian positions crop up which basically have people advocating for the strawman because X hates it.
So... finding out that "true liberals" hate ukraine (please ignore how in the most recent vote literally exactly 0 democrats voted against giving ukraine more money) does not matter to me. I analyze each matter on its own merit rather than just automatically being against whatever liberals say.
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No one is taking from the poor and giving to the rich. Shitlibs and socialists are taking from the middle class to give to the rich, to the poor, and to foreign poor when it turns out there aren't enough domestic poor just in case, while also throwing in needless regulation to make sure the middle class ends up turning into more poor people rather than rich.
DNC is very good at tard wrangling with people like the Squad. May not end well for them at the ballot box... but does it even need to anymore?
Either way, from what i've seen from your analysis of such things... that's not better at all.
mrttao
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1. it is LITEARLLY our entire fiscal policy.
2. liberals LITERALLY always state that this is what conservatives want to do (usually a strawman).
3. I literally know a few people who are in favor of it.
No, i'm pretty sure you are not old enough to remember that.
People like you is why our diplomacy can get so little done. Every fucking time we try something with one of our neighbors, people like you will pop up with some old grievance as a reason why we shouldn't. If people like you had their way, we could not be allied with EU (coz Germany in WW2), not with USA (Yalta), not with UK or France (Phoney war), no one. We have to stand alone, not even try. No scheming against our enemies with anyone, unfortunately not foiled by hypercompetent Russian spies, but by our own idiots mostly.
Funny enough, there are also people like you on the Ukrainian side, saying the same lines, except replace UPA and Wolyn with AK and Vistula.
Meanwhile some vatnik in SVR or FSB uniform behind seven proxies is making sure that the constant yelling between those two groups keeps happening and keep us from allying against them.
The French had just 10 years between being occupied by Germans and being in NATO together with them. Think about how they took that.
If some day we are a superpower with a border with China in Ural mountains, then we will be in a position to be picky over who we cooperate with over even smallest historical grievances, but until then, we have to be more flexible if we don't want such events happening to us again.
I'll start caring about what rights Jews give Arabs when Arabs start caring about our rights in Europe. I think we will have to wait a lot for that.
No it LITERALLY isn't, and that only makes the people in favor of it more retarded.
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Define "Our".
Because it certainly can't be the US's, because that's not you.
Anyway, the US's fiscal policy is the following: grab money from the middle class and rich, mix it around a bunch and waste a ton, then have regulations that help the rich, then pay the money (inefficiently) to the old (Social Security & Medicare), poor (Medicaid), military, and paying off debt. Also waste some money in other ways, but honestly, the remainder is not a huge amount compared to the four I listed.
There was a recent transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich though, and that was covid. The largest wealth transferal in history. Inflation hits people on fixed incomes (job earners and people on welfare) the most, but it helped everyone who had a mortgage, so it mostly hurt just the poor.
What our in that quote, and what esoteric thing is stopping me from knowing things about US politics?
You. You are stopping yourself from knowing stuff about the US given your repeated stupid takes on it. It carries the same validity as me talking about Polish politics, I just don't pretend.
Compare how many of other US posters disagree with your takes before throwing stones in glass houses.