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Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2
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I still like most of you even though we vehemently disagree on this issue.
Marduk can get fucked though.
*checks the topic*
You said many times that you "just want it to be over", don't care or some variation thereof, so wtf are you still doing in a topic about politics of Russia-Ukraine war?
Seriously, i gave you some good advice. Bow out of MSM and politics, get a different hobby, as you obviously "care" about it in a way that helps neither you, nor the cause, or even our local discussion.
It's almost as if you don't want to care but the media are making you so you retaliate by being contrarian in how you care. But what you're doing here, dragging the pro-Ukraine posters in your little war vs the MSM, it is not a solution to that, what i proposed is.
I was here first, you fuck off.
You even added a Rick Roll link. I was drinking tea when I clicked that. I sprayed it all over my laptop laughing
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Calma amigo. Just ignore the pinko pinché mariconé
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I'm going to ask you a question then.
Set aside the details of the war in Ukraine completely.
How does a nation win a war?
First define what you consider to be a victory condition.
In many causes there will be multiple victory conditons from maximum victory to a white peace. So what is the goal? If the goal is to a better trade deal then you really don't need to conquer the nation in question. Take for example the opening of Japan Abmiral Perry was able to do so with out much in the way of actual violence. This was a success.
Other times you want to take territory, depending on whats going on you might not want to take the whole shebang and just take a certain amount this has countless precidence and there are numerous tactics that are used.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Your name appears to be 'Cherico' not 'Rocinante.'
The 'authorities' in Transnistria are going to ask to be formally annexed into Russia, ala what happen to Konigsberg/Kaliningrad.
Gives Russia even more pretext for fuckery in Europe beyond Ukraine, and is neatly positioned to help open up a 'western front' against Ukraine or make moves over the rest of Moldova.
Anyone who thought Russian ambitions were confined to a 'tiny strip of land' in the east of Ukraine, and obviously hasn't actually looked at how large said strip is or why it is being invaded (hint, it has to do with oil shale under the Donbas and oil deposits off Crimea that could under cut Russian sales), well, now Russian puppets in another 'occupied region', this time occupied Moldova, are trying to open an new conflict at teh behest of Moscow, and just in time for Putin's 'election'.
Poe
Well-known member
No one honestly thinks this, the goal has always been full subjugation of Ukraine. This doesn't actually change much here though, so it isn't like this some big escalation Russia was always going to do this the only odd thing is it you'd think they'd wait until they finish the conquest of Odessa.
Their germans friends agent,Tusk,just win Poland for them.If notching change,they could go to Atlantic,as they planned.
Becouse if germans think,that they would stop after eating Poland carcass facing 100 german tanks...they could think again.
More of a ground for threats and stunts than a physical one as things stand.
"Ukraine will strongly respond to Russia's attempts to involve Transnistria into the war" - Ministry of Foreign Affairs
"Ukraine will strongly respond to Russia's attempts to involve Transnistria into the war" - Ministry of Foreign Affairs
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Practically, the place in question borders Ukraine and Moldavia, which is not going to like the idea at all (and itself borders only Ukraine and NATO).
So, how are Russians going to move any troops, supplies and equipment there? There's some old crap already there, but that's not gonna work out well with being encircled by enemies...
Russians are free to try fly in airmobile forces or sail amphibious assault ships up river right in front of Ukrainian coastal and SAM batteries, but i think we can see how would that end with the asskicking Black Sea Fleet took already...
It would be a much bigger pain in the ass to handle if they did it after there's at least some kind of ceasefire with Ukraine, as it would force Ukraine into a dilemma between letting Russians skirt it and trespass a little to get reinforcements inside, or restarting the conflict right there and then by stopping them. But as it is, it's fire at will for Ukrainians.
This. They should do this. The Ukrainians wouldn't suspect it.
Also... going back to the beginning of the original Ukraine War Thread, the Battle of Hostomel was actually a Russian victory where they drew out and destroy all of Ukrainians Special Operations troops in the opening days of the War. So just follow that pattern.
It's entirely possible the War in the South and East was actually a feint now that I think about it. Ukraine will have to fight a three front War (again) with senior citizens and Ghosts of
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Looking at Wikipedia, it seems Russia has some 650 or so military transport aircraft PLUS 900 transport helicopters plus those few hundred passenger and cargo aircraft they seized at the outbreak of hostilities. That's far more aircraft then Ukraine has long or medium range Air Defense missiles. If you send them all in a massive air bridge into Moldova, some of them will get through. Launch a bunch of Shahed drones at the same time.
You can minimize casualties by filling the aircraft with Mobiks to half capacity and filling the rest with ammunition and weapons and other munitions so they can fight when they land, or paradrop or crash etc. No need for specialized Airborne troops to be used... especially since they've been used up already.
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He isn't always wrong, clear objectives during war really help.
America not having clear objectives has fucked us in quite a few conflicts.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Yes, but you're still answering a question asked of someone else, which does not helpfully contribute to the conversation.
Poe
Well-known member
It's a public forum, get over it. If you want to have a heart to heart DM Rocinante
Bigking321
Well-known member
That's... not a view I've seen expressed here.
And the Ukraine/Russia stuff here is insanely toxic so I would expect to see something like that thrown around at some point and I don't think I have.
mrttao
Well-known member
So, peaceful joining of countries is now conquest too?