No.
I didn't fight to keep this country safe only to see it break apart. It's all I'll say on that.
Texas Border Invasion Standoff
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No.
I didn't fight to keep this country safe only to see it break apart. It's all I'll say on that.
That's what sanity demands and what an optimistic outcome would be.
Unfortunately, you have to remember that the Other Guy gets a vote too, and they seem to be dead set on creating such a conflict.
You can be against it all you want, but if the Other Guy pulls the trigger, you haven't much of a choice. And it looks like Biden, the Establishment, and all the Lefty parasites out there in your country are dead set on pulling the trigger.
Honestly the more I listen to them, I think they want a war.
They do, and they're (overly) confident that they'll win one handily, as well as being on the "right side of history".
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Nobody sane wants a civil war.
Nobody sane wants even a 'bloodless coup,' because that would do wretched things to our political system and stability.
But there comes a point, as it did in 1776, where when tyrannical overlords who think themselves wiser, more moral, and more deserving than you, think they can take everything you have, including your children to then rape and mutilate, where resistance with violence is the only remaining option.
I dearly hope that we do not ever get to such a place, but every time the Democrats cheat in an election, every state where they make law that mandates child sexualization and mutilation, every time that they try to destroy the concept of free speech, and promulgate the general idea that 'rights are granted by the government and can be taken away at its whim,' they push us closer to such a place.
I'm not quite to the national divorce stage. I'd much prefer a nation where the states are greater standing than the Fed in our lives.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
I don't think so; I think they just expect to be able to bully everyone into submission indefinitely.
They see such a conflict as being part of the submission strategy, though. They honestly believe they'd win such a civil war hands down. Remember, these people are completely divorced from reality.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
I don't doubt that they think they'd win, but I also expect that they believe it'd never come to that; on account of us being, in their eyes, too cowardly, complacent, and weak to be willing to fight.
As I said; divorced from reality. shrug Don't try to apply common sense and logic to these people's thinking.
Partially correct. But several things factor into that.
1.) The Left as a whole has believed the Right the Right has been bluffing all these years concerning fighting for our Constitutional rights. The Right isn't bluffing nor has the right ever bluffed on these issue and the Left is slowly realizing that.
2.) The Left is starting to come under attack from the Establishment too. So far it's only their moderate voices but the Establishment will come for the rest of them eventually when they become inconvenient. This is causing a shift away from the Establishment as the nation is is shifting away from globalism to National Populism.
3.) War is all fun and games, and you can be 'assured' of victory until that first bullet whizzes past your head. Then it's suddenly all too real. And that shock wakes a lot of people up.
4.) In a Nation where 80 million people voted for the enemy of the Establishment and thst man grows more popular by the day and converting more of your base to his cause. And how even the Military is still mostly made up of people who love him...can you be assured you can keep that population in check? Even if only a tenth of them decided to make a fight of it?
5) despite recent attempts to wokify the Military, a good chunk of their population still comes from red states and maintain conservative values. If the Feds push too hard on this issue Texas would succeed from the Union. And you better believe at least half the Nation would follow. The military would decintigrate and the Military is key to maintaining power in any coup.
6.) The US is still facing foreign threats. Very serious foreign threats. In order to win a Civil War at home and still maintain a level of parity with those foreign adversaries then you need to win a conflict with a minimum of bloodshed and have the population simply accept it and move on. But as the America first moment is showing, that isn't going to happen.
What's more, I think this has finally gotten through to Biden and his handlers at least to some extent. At least enough to change some of their tone. But we'll see how it goes as I readily admit I could be wrong.
Skallagrim
Well-known member
How wonderful it would be, to have such a convention, and no fighting or bloodshed. I'd also like a little dragon to keep as a pet, while we're voicing impossible wishes.
(But seriously: most everyone here would want your idea to be what gets done... but we all know that Biden's government would never allow it. If it's attempted, they'll start a civil war just to quash the attempt.)Nobody sane wants bloodshed, but everybody sane can see what the way things are going, there will be bloodshed. And if that is the case, then better now than later. The longer it's held off, the worse it'll be. That's not just true in America, either. It's true everywhere. The monster grows, over time. Wrestle with it while it's still relatively small.
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mrttao
Well-known member
Biden stated he is actually totally for fixing the border but is being blocked by the conservatives. And that the "real solution" is to pass a bill that gives him more powers.
So the senile old pedophile is trying to pull a Palpatine/Sidious?
mrttao
Well-known member
No, I know very well exactly what I am asking for.
If the choice is between a few years of horror where there is a good chance I will die, but if I survive I will be free for the rest of my life.
Vs living the rest of my life as a slave in abject misery out of excessive fear... then I will take the riskier approach.
mrttao
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DarthOne
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Pretty much, yes. Though I feel comparing Biden to Sidious is a bit of an insult to Sidious.
The guy might have been a mass murdering, tyrannical evil space wizard but he was at least intentionally doing so and was (unfortunately) somewhat competent about it. Plus, not an (almost certainly) pedo.
Where as Biden…well, he’s clearly got dementia and is more or less a puppet for people who want to bring down the USA and the West.
Which actually makes him closer to how Palpatine was originally envisioned as being a political puppet controlled by people like Tarkin and Vader and generally didn’t really know what was really going on. Though in that case it was due to being fed false information and not dementia.
@Spartan303 served, so he knows what hell war is on a personal level. He fought for America, and he doesn't want to see even an inkling of the shit he saw happen on America's streets.
I understand and, to an extent, agree with his views and perspective. In a sane world, what he wants is what should be.
However, no matter what you hope/what reality should be, it's the same as putting your head in the sand and not seeing the executioner's blade as it comes down on your neck.
Things are going to get messy, even if the Lefties grossly underestimate the Right/conservatives and overestimate their own positions. They won't stop.
Man, Lucas' original Star Wars treatment (9+ films) was wild.
DarthOne
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It really was. And it’s kind of astonishing how prescient he was about some stuff. I really do think that, had the prequels been handled better, people would have woken up to a lot of what we’ve been realizing over the past few years sooner.
…which makes me wonder on some level if all the criticisms of the prequels, especially by the media, was really entirely due to them genuinely having issues with the quality of writing. Or because their paymasters saw what he was hinting at and panicked and played up the flaws of the films in order to distract people.
Of course, I could just be playing connect-the-dots with the benefit of hindsight and seeing something that was not there.
DarthOne
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Not that I am aware of besides banning with Texas’s LGN exports. Of course that might be a distraction but I’m largely doubting it.