Lanmandragon
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The IJA matched or exceeded anything the Euros did.
Is China really a threat to the United States Hegemony?
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Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
You have no idea what the Manchus did, did you?
There's a reason why they keep rebelling.
The hair cut alone was enough reason to rebel, no one looks good in a que.
CarlManvers2019
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Thing is, like how many people probably didn’t even know that China had various ethnic groups, doubt many remember those guys
It’s only the “Chinese” you will think of, a blanket term of sorts
Aaron Fox
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Matched? Most likely. Exceeded? No.
Because they used to be the ones in charge and now not in charge, that's why. The last few dynasties were Manchu if I read the history right.
Arch Dornan
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More than that they killed a lot of people to make sure they stay in charge.
Genocides and mass killing were their answer to rebellions.
So when they can rebel, they rebelled and killed and raped all the Manchus they can get their hands on.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
It's considered ridiculous nowadays to be beheaded for not following hairstyle codes but for Chinese in those times it was enforced.
Airedale260
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No, the Manchus were the Qing Dynasty (House of Aisin Gioro). Prior to that, the Ming Dynasty (House of Zhu) was Han (the majority ethnicity in China then and now).
Anyway, to get back to the original topic, you have to understand that China has a massive grudge against the West because the West proved that, no, they weren't anything like the Middle Kingdom they believed themselves to be.
Now they see the European powers severely weakened by the past century, with only the U.S. really capable of standing up to them. So they figure if they can knock down the U.S., then they'll be the Middle Kingdom once again and make everyone grovel, especially since the U.S. is busy tearing down the order it used to contain the Soviet Union (sort of; it's more that we're putting pressure on our allies to step up).
China is absolutely a threat to the U.S. Could they invade and defeat us in a war, hell no. Could they make our lives miserable if they were completely determined to do so, yes, but we can in turn make their lives hell. And it's also becoming apparent to the world just how big of a bunch of assholes the PRC actually is with the pandemic and their handling of it and trying to throw their weight around. So their attempts to expand influence are blowing up in their faces, fortunately.
So we'll watch and move to keep them in check.
Aaron Fox
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Given that this sort of thing was even Rome's MO (to the point that a Ceaser's (I remember it was one of the few semi-benevolent rulers of Rome and Ceaser became a title as much as a name) just cutting off hands was out of character for a Roman when it came to the aftermath of a rebellion)... it's horrible to us but was something part and parcel for quite a few empires until (comparatively) recently.
It is bad to our sensibilities, yes. The sad thing is that it was in common use more often than not for most of history. Forgetting that is what makes bad history.
Arch Dornan
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It's part of the reason why they declined. Unable to keep a lid on it when it became blatant the Western powers were far stronger they rebelled even more.
Only if they continue to be cucks and lack spines.
CarlManvers2019
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Middle Kingdom? Did they expect their European Conquerors to rule from China instead of their homelands?
Isn’t the concept of the “Middle Kingdom” also something in which it’s not exactly defined by geographt alone
Like there used to be more than one capital for China and it moved from conqueror to conqueror
Is Europe too far to even apply that symbolism?
Arch Dornan
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It doesn't work anymore not unless they can take the US's position militarily.
Aaron Fox
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... and we've seen what happened afterward too.
Not really, the Euros are 1) not centralized enough as a federation and 2) requiring more money to the welfare system to ensure that governments don't fall apart (welfare in Europe is heavily connected to votes). The coming eight decades are going to see either Germany (most likely candidate) or France (least likely candidate) be the primary mover and shaker of a future European Federation and enforce a common law, fiscal policy, etc upon Europe.
Arch Dornan
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That did more to set back China than what foreigners did.
They're like rather busy fracturing from Brexit and their own economic troubles and the refugee crisis.
Aaron Fox
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It only exacerbated what the foreigners did.
Not really, Britain's Geopolitical goals are completely opposite of the goals of the European Union. Britain's geopolitical goals for Europe has always been and will be (for a few decades) to keep all of Europe divided and weak as possible. That is no longer possible. Right now, it is a rhyme with the Articles of Confederation era of the US... just with the added situation of one lesser member that joined in late wanting out and a fight between two of the most powerful players within the union vying for supremacy.
That's the situation with the European Union right now. People keep forgetting that the US had a similar time before we adopted the Constitution.
Floridaman
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Actually it is worse, even under the article's of confederation individual states lacked complete vetoes, with that there isn't a chance for the EU to unify, since the weaker states would simply veto the idea.
Lanmandragon
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You sure about that? Because every single Euro I've talked to swears it not.
Lanmandragon
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"Right" don't be foolish. "Right" just means "I'm stronger then you."
Aaron Fox
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Given the rhymes of history? It is. Also, those Euros you've talked to are likely sick and tired of anything related to AMERICA being blasted into their faces.
Actually, it is very similar when you actually get into the mechanics (just one state in the Confederation days can torpedo the entire process by a no vote, you can have everyone else vote yes but if one vote goes no, whatever you're trying to do is sunk). The only reason that the states didn't bug out of the Constitutional Convention was the British Empire. Given that Russia is trying its damnedest not only to annihilate the current world order but get back to the glory days of the USSR...
... it is likely that Germany will pull an "if you don't, we'll simply recall your loans" threat. People tend to change their tune when money is involved. Or in the case of these smaller states' politicians, the money that secures the votes.
Lanmandragon
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Fair enough but if they are "tired". Thrn maybe they shouldn't have wasted thier strength. America is awesome Europe is a joke sucks for them.