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Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

Megadeath

Well-known member
Have you actually looked at the new footage?

He has guards with him the entire time. They go in front of him to try and open doors for him. They go to multiple entrances of the senate chamber till they find a unlocked one. He is outnumbered the entire time.

There are like a dozen security guys right outside the senate chamber during that picture you posted. They let all those guys in to set up their photo shoot.
Yeah, but again that's in the context that at the same time a few hundred other people elsewhere were actively trying to fight cops, force violent entry, and screaming about hanging traitors. If all it takes to keep him occupied somewhat peacefully is a protest photoshoot, seems the sensible course of action to me. It also doesn't change the fact that he broke a bunch of laws, knowingly and intentionally, and your principled defence of the guy is rather undercut by the fact that he plead guilty, accepted his sentence, expressed remorse and personally blames trump and qanon for leading him astray.
 

hyperspacewizard

Well-known member
Yeah, but again that's in the context that at the same time a few hundred other people elsewhere were actively trying to fight cops, force violent entry, and screaming about hanging traitors. If all it takes to keep him occupied somewhat peacefully is a protest photoshoot, seems the sensible course of action to me. It also doesn't change the fact that he broke a bunch of laws, knowingly and intentionally, and your principled defence of the guy is rather undercut by the fact that he plead guilty, accepted his sentence, expressed remorse and personally blames trump and qanon for leading him astray.
He was probably scared into a plea deal a lot of people that plea guilty get overwhelmed by the cops and such. There’s plenty of cases where people plea guilty to stuff they didn’t do.

edit: or that if they had taken to court they would be charged with a lesser charge than the plea deal
 
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ShieldWife

Marchioness
The guy had the US Congress, the media, and the so called “justice” system against him. He had been held without bail, in solitary confinement, and his lawyer wasn’t given access to video evidence that could have helped his case. He was likely told that if he didn’t plea guilty (and say what they wanted him to say about Trump) that he would get life in prison. It would have been a political show trial in a kangaroo court. Much like the entire January 6th Congressional hearing were a show trial of sorts.

The just outcome here would be for all of the Jan 6th people to be released and their charges dropped. Not because none of them committed crimes, some obviously did. But the government was so blatantly biased, corrupt, and unjust in the prosecution and investigation of those people that a fair trial would be impossible.
 
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Megadeath

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He was probably scared into a plea deal a lot of people that plea guilty get overwhelmed by the cops and such. There’s plenty of cases where people plea guilty to stuff they didn’t do.

edit: or that if they had taken to court they would be charged with a lesser charge than the plea deal
That's true, people do plea guilty for reduced sentencing and such. I don't know that I'd agree with the "scared into it" phrasing, as they have their own defence lawyer to give them a much less intimidatory breakdown of the options, probabilities and consequences, but I guess that's neither here nor there.

It's not consistent in this case though, with him volunteering to testify against trump at his impeachment, his distancing himself from the qanon BS, his public statements since, etc. are all consistent with guilty conscience and a belief in personal wrongdoing.

The guy had the US Congress, the media, and the so called “justice” system against him.
Aside from making remarks in media he didn't have access to, what exactly did having congress "against" him mean? Same for the media. As for the justice system, they're always against you when you're charged with committing a crime. That's the point.
He had been held without bail, in solitary confinement, and his lawyer wasn’t given access to video evidence that could have helped his case.
Yes, he was refused bail. For reasons that are well documented, perfectly legitimate and used all the time. The solitary was indeed unfortunate, though bought about by reasonable medical concerns. He doesn't seem too fussed about it. From his sentencing reporting:
"I'm a good man who broke the law," he said.
Angeli said that he was, in a way, grateful, for his confinement, giving him the time to evaluate his actions. "You really dig when you're locked up 22 hours a day," he said.
Would you like to provide some context, or expand on the claim that his lawyer wasn’t given access to the video?
He was likely told that if he didn’t plea guilty (and say what they wanted him to say about Trump) that he would get life in prison. It would have been a political show trial in a kangaroo court. Much like the entire January 6th Congressional hearing were a show trial of sorts.
Well, that's a wildly extraordinary claim. One you can't possibly provide any evidence for, let alone the extraordinary evidence such a claim should merit. It would also suggest that his own lawyer would either go along with a blatant lie, or somehow just never discuss his options and possible consequences with him.

Further does this:

Seem like a man who's been coerced into regurgitating "establishment narrative"?
Do his words here:
Seem like a much put upon martyr?
The just outcome here would be for all of the Jan 6th people to be released and their charges dropped. Not because none of them committed crimes, some obviously did. But the government was so blatantly biased, corrupt, and unjust in the prosecution and investigation of those people that a fair trial would be impossible.
That just sounds ridiculous, and I'm glad you're not in charge of such things. If you hate your country so much, why not go somewhere else? I'm sure somewhere must want and suit people like you.
 

Rocinante

Russian Bot
Founder
The truth is that a riot happened outside of and in the Capital, likely infiltrated and spurred on by intelligence agents, and people like Ray Epps...who may have been working with intelligence agencies.

This wasn't just a peaceful protest. I have in the past called it a mostly peaceful protest to call out left wing propaganda surrounding the "summer of love," but we have plenty of footage that proves this was a riot.

The problem is that they held back footage. Yeah, the people in this footage were peaceful. Yes, that's worth talking about. Yes then doctoring footage to make it look worse is a HUGE problem. None of this means the riot didn't happen.

It means that some people are spending far too long in prison, and it's a fucking travesty. This footage should have been released from the beginning. You don't need to doctor and hide footage to push the idea that rioting at the Capital is bad.

Rioting happened, yes. Also the media, and government colluded to push an insurrection narrative that was to be frank, absolute bullshit. Both of these things can be simultaneously true.
 

Megadeath

Well-known member
The truth is that a riot happened outside of and in the Capital, likely infiltrated and spurred on by intelligence agents, and people like Ray Epps...who may have been working with intelligence agencies.

This wasn't just a peaceful protest. I have in the past called it a mostly peaceful protest to call out left wing propaganda surrounding the "summer of love," but we have plenty of footage that proves this was a riot.

The problem is that they held back footage. Yeah, the people in this footage were peaceful. Yes, that's worth talking about. Yes then doctoring footage to make it look worse is a HUGE problem. None of this means the riot didn't happen.

It means that some people are spending far too long in prison, and it's a fucking travesty. This footage should have been released from the beginning. You don't need to doctor and hide footage to push the idea that rioting at the Capital is bad.

Rioting happened, yes. Also the media, and government colluded to push an insurrection narrative that was to be frank, absolute bullshit. Both of these things can be simultaneously true.
I value some things differently and wouldn't phrase most of it that way, but I somewhat to mostly agree. Though, the assumption seems to be that it just being publicly released now inherently means it wasn't considered/available is evidence? Is there anything specific behind that? I don't recall reading or hearing anything about contentious discovery process from any of the lawyers defending the Jan 6th accused.
 

Bigking321

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Though, the assumption seems to be that it just being publicly released now inherently means it wasn't considered/available is evidence? Is there anything specific behind that? I don't recall reading or hearing anything about contentious discovery process from any of the lawyers defending the Jan 6th accused.
Well, the shaman guys lawyer was talking about it.

Here's a quote from the report.

"Albert Watkins, Chansley’s attorney through sentencing in November 2021, said he had been provided many hours of video by prosecutors, but not the footage which Carlson aired Monday night. He said he had not seen video of Chansley walking through Capitol hallways with multiple Capitol Police officers.

“What’s deeply troubling,” Watkins said Tuesday, “Is the fact that I have to watch Tucker Carlson to find video footage which the government has, but chose not to disclose, despite the absolute duty to do so. Despite being requested in writing to do so, multiple times.” He no longer represents Chansley and said he could not comment on what remedy might be sought for the defendant. Watkins suggested that all Jan. 6 defendants who were convicted based on video from the riot should have their convictions vacated.""
 

PeaceMaker 03

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So why is it all the violent people on video are not interviewed, detained, charged?

Example the guy who sold the video of Asley Babot being shot, was right there when things became violent, no charges. Then his ries to Antifa would come out.

Ray Epps was on video inciting violence no charges. And now ties appently ties to the speaker's office prior to Jan 6th.

The “greatest threat to democracy” but no fires, one death of a teeny tiny girl shot in the head, while large guys with mask on walked around with LEO opening doors for them?

Plus you just have to ignore the socialist bombing of the capital building back in the 80’s. Oh that is right since it was designed to redecorate using Republican Senators which was mostly peaceful redecoration.

Yeah something stinks, I want to know how many fed agents and paid informants took part? And what they did do. After the Gretchy Whitmere kidnapping turned out it to involve 2x as many feds as normies, and it was feds who led it, and feds who planned it. With 3 of 6 normies avoid anything to do with the entire thing, yet sit in jail.

If the government is willing to use false flag attacks against it's own people how can you trust anything they do?
 

Megadeath

Well-known member
Well, the shaman guys lawyer was talking about it.

Here's a quote from the report.

"Albert Watkins, Chansley’s attorney through sentencing in November 2021, said he had been provided many hours of video by prosecutors, but not the footage which Carlson aired Monday night. He said he had not seen video of Chansley walking through Capitol hallways with multiple Capitol Police officers.

“What’s deeply troubling,” Watkins said Tuesday, “Is the fact that I have to watch Tucker Carlson to find video footage which the government has, but chose not to disclose, despite the absolute duty to do so. Despite being requested in writing to do so, multiple times.” He no longer represents Chansley and said he could not comment on what remedy might be sought for the defendant. Watkins suggested that all Jan. 6 defendants who were convicted based on video from the riot should have their convictions vacated.""
Well, yep. That sounds like it should be grounds for a mistrial. Though, I am far and away from being any kind of legal expert. Pretty sure there's a great big requirement about providing evidence, especially when requested and also especially when it's the government. American law being what it is, I'd guess there's tons of carve outs to that, but I'm sure answers will come with time.

I'll say it's bad lawyering that he didn't raise issue with the lack of video at the time though, and I don't think his final suggestion has a lot of merit. It might be cause to re-examine cases, but I think it's hardly sufficient to vacate them all, entirely by itself.

So why is it all the violent people on video are not interviewed, detained, charged?

Example the guy who sold the video of Asley Babot being shot, was right there when things became violent, no charges. Then his ries to Antifa would come out.

Ray Epps was on video inciting violence no charges. And now ties appently ties to the speaker's office prior to Jan 6th.

The “greatest threat to democracy” but no fires, one death of a teeny tiny girl shot in the head, while large guys with mask on walked around with LEO opening doors for them?

Plus you just have to ignore the socialist bombing of the capital building back in the 80’s. Oh that is right since it was designed to redecorate using Republican Senators which was mostly peaceful redecoration.

Yeah something stinks, I want to know how many fed agents and paid informants took part? And what they did do. After the Gretchy Whitmere kidnapping turned out it to involve 2x as many feds as normies, and it was feds who led it, and feds who planned it. With 3 of 6 normies avoid anything to do with the entire thing, yet sit in jail.

If the government is willing to use false flag attacks against it's own people how can you trust anything they do?
I mean... A lot of violent people were detained, charged, prosecuted and sentenced? If you don't trust any part of the government, either of the major parties, the judicial system including law enforcement, or have any respect for the large majority of people who do continue to believe in their government at least somewhat... Why stay? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you also don't care for current american culture, what with Hollywood and wokeness and all that, so if you hate your country, and most of the people in it, why not leave?
 

Bigking321

Well-known member
I'll say it's bad lawyering that he didn't raise issue with the lack of video at the time though
I mean, based on that quote it looks like he requested all the footage they had on the guy, thought he had all of it, then just found out the government held the parts that would actually help his case back.

I guess you could call it bad lawyering but it sounds like he did everything correctly in regards to asking for the footage. It's not his fault the government hid it from him.
 

Megadeath

Well-known member
I mean, based on that quote it looks like he requested all the footage they had on the guy, thought he had all of it, then just found out the government held the parts that would actually help his case back.

I guess you could call it bad lawyering but it sounds like he did everything correctly in regards to asking for the footage. It's not his fault the government hid it from him.
I guess? But I'd think you'd find "any" gaps in coverage weird in such a building, and not having a bunch of stuff that your client claimed happened show up should probably raise a flag. I guess part of it does come down to what exactly was asked, how exactly it was responded to and what the specific relevant laws actually say. None of which I know.
 

Ixian

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Is it more or less sad than you just completely ignoring footage that doesn't suit your narrative? Because regardless of what you think this specific footage means there's tons of videos and photos of people forcing their way past barricades, crushing up against lines of police, hell there's footage from Ashli Babbitt and others forcing their way through a window against (obviously) armed resistance.

But no, this particular footage somehow negates all the rest. Don't trust the narrative, or your lying eyes. Just believe in what the mad prophet tucker tells you. Even though he's made it quite clear he'll say whatever he thinks his idiotic base wants to hear: Tucker Carlson said he hates Trump ‘passionately’: legal filings

The first thing Carlson showed, was the footage of the rioting. So what the fuck are you talking about?

The difference between Jan 6th coverage, and the BLM riots coverage, is that the leftwing legacy media emphasized the small amount of violent footage of Jan 6th while hiding the large amounts of peaceful protest footage.

Conversely for the BLM riots they emphasized the small amount of peaceful protest footage, while hiding the large amounts of violent footage.

In other words they are dirty liars who have done nothing but attempt to mislead the public, and they absolutely won't be forgotten or forgiven.
 

Megadeath

Well-known member
The first thing Carlson showed, was the footage of the rioting. So what the fuck are you talking about?

The difference between Jan 6th coverage, and the BLM riots coverage, is that the leftwing legacy media emphasized the small amount of violent footage of Jan 6th while hiding the large amounts of peaceful protest footage.

Conversely for the BLM riots they emphasized the small amount of peaceful protest footage, while hiding the large amounts of violent footage.

In other words they are dirty liars who have done nothing but attempt to mislead the public, and they absolutely won't be forgotten or forgiven.
And, to put it bluntly, what the fuck does that have to do with what I said? Also, I'd love to see your actual breakdown supporting "media emphasized the small amount of violent footage of Jan 6th while hiding the large amounts of peaceful protest footage." Asides from anything else, you gormless prat, the footage recently released was held by the government. It wasn't that the media had it and refused to air it. In fact, almost unanimously their current complaint is that it's entirely unfair that said footage has now been released to fox and not them. Who cares about facts in the face of your anti-establishment narrative though? 🙄
 

Blasterbot

Well-known member
And, to put it bluntly, what the fuck does that have to do with what I said? Also, I'd love to see your actual breakdown supporting "media emphasized the small amount of violent footage of Jan 6th while hiding the large amounts of peaceful protest footage." Asides from anything else, you gormless prat, the footage recently released was held by the government. It wasn't that the media had it and refused to air it. In fact, almost unanimously their current complaint is that it's entirely unfair that said footage has now been released to fox and not them. Who cares about facts in the face of your anti-establishment narrative though? 🙄
uh no the complaint is it breaks their narrative. they would have sat on it if it was handed to them. your belief in the integrity of dirty smear merchants is misplaced.
 

Ixian

Well-known member
And, to put it bluntly, what the fuck does that have to do with what I said? Also, I'd love to see your actual breakdown supporting "media emphasized the small amount of violent footage of Jan 6th while hiding the large amounts of peaceful protest footage." Asides from anything else, you gormless prat, the footage recently released was held by the government. It wasn't that the media had it and refused to air it. In fact, almost unanimously their current complaint is that it's entirely unfair that said footage has now been released to fox and not them. Who cares about facts in the face of your anti-establishment narrative though? 🙄

Lol, at this point, it's very clear that certain media outlets are nothing more than extensions of the Democrat Party and by position, the federal government.

Of course the fool would accuse others of being gormless, while at the same time holding the critical thinking abilities of a drooling vegetable. Seriously, how is this so difficult for you?
 
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