Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

Anyway, back on topic with an interesting article from Poland:

W przypadku wojny tylko 1/5 Polaków stanęłaby do walki

A few takeaways:

1. I the event of war only 1/5 of poles would fight.

2. Poles are afraid of the loss of resources.
75% of Poles are most afraid of price increases and inflation.
56% - of the destruction of the state by the ruling party.
52% - of the intensification of anti-democratic activities by the people on power.

My, what interesting statistics from Poland.

Agent23 said:

Anyway, back on topic with an interesting article from Poland:

W przypadku wojny tylko 1/5 Polaków stanęłaby do walki

A few takeaways:

1. I the event of war only 1/5 of poles would fight.

2. Poles are afraid of the loss of resources.
75% of Poles are most afraid of price increases and inflation.
56% - of the destruction of the state by the ruling party.
52% - of the intensification of anti-democratic activities by the people on power.

My, what interesting statistics from Poland.

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Stop, you don't need to keep convincing me you have no idea what you are talking about and try hiding it by translation issues, i already know that.
For starters, why pick a shitty pool that doesn't add breakdowns by age/sex?
1/5?
Unless you expect old people and women to answer yes for some strange reason, that could be a very good result of more than half of military age men hiding under that.
This is a much superior poll with breakdowns and shit.
So, get some better propaganda skills or Moscow won't pay for your shilling.

ShadowArxxy said:

U.S. rural households with septic tanks would still have indoor plumbing with flush toilets

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The article didn't say those 20% of russian households do not have flush toilets. It said they do not have access to central sewage system (aka municipal sewer lines). And explicitly noted 91% of those are remote rural areas, while 9% are in cities.

If russians actually do not have toilets, then you need to find a different source for it. Because that is not what that article said.

Of the 22.6 percent of households without a centralized sewage system, 16.8 percent use a system of pipes connected to pit toilets, RBC cited the State Statistics Service, Rosstat, as saying. The other 5.8 percent lack a sewage system altogether.

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Pretty weird description... so they have a toilet that flushes into a "system of pipes" that leads to a pit toilet...
that is basically the article writer taking a septic tank and trying to describe it as a pit toilet

Marduk said:

Stop, you don't need to keep convincing me you have no idea what you are talking about and try hiding it by translation issues.
For starters, why pick a shitty pool that doesn't add breakdowns by age/sex?
1/5?
Unless you expect old people and women to answer yes for some strange reason, that could be a very good result of roughly half of military age men.
This is a much superior poll with breakdowns and shit.

66% of adult Poles want to defend their homeland! - Warsaw Enterprise Institute

66% of adult Poles want to defend their homeland in case of war, including 17% who would take active part in military operations, according to a survey conducted for the Warsaw Enterprise Institute by Maison&Partners and in cooperation with Defense24.pl. We all hope that the war in Ukraine will...

wei.org.pl

So, get some better propaganda skills or Moscow won't pay for your shilling.

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The poll and the analysis are from a Polish university/research group.

If you have a problem with their methodology you can just contact them directly.

If you have a problem with the machine translation you can submit a better version with a click.

If you have a problem with me posting you can, as we Bulgarians day, take it up with the Armenian Priest.

Agent23 said:

Anyway, back on topic with an interesting article from Poland:

W przypadku wojny tylko 1/5 Polaków stanęłaby do walki

A few takeaways:

1. I the event of war only 1/5 of poles would fight.

2. Poles are afraid of the loss of resources.
75% of Poles are most afraid of price increases and inflation.
56% - of the destruction of the state by the ruling party.
52% - of the intensification of anti-democratic activities by the people on power.

My, what interesting statistics from Poland.

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Marduk said:

Stop, you don't need to keep convincing me you have no idea what you are talking about and try hiding it by translation issues, i already know that.
For starters, why pick a shitty pool that doesn't add breakdowns by age/sex?
1/5?
Unless you expect old people and women to answer yes for some strange reason, that could be a very good result of more than half of military age men hiding under that.
This is a much superior poll with breakdowns and shit.

66% of adult Poles want to defend their homeland! - Warsaw Enterprise Institute

66% of adult Poles want to defend their homeland in case of war, including 17% who would take active part in military operations, according to a survey conducted for the Warsaw Enterprise Institute by Maison&Partners and in cooperation with Defense24.pl. We all hope that the war in Ukraine will...

wei.org.pl

So, get some better propaganda skills or Moscow won't pay for your shilling.

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By now it should be pretty obvious that polls are rife with propaganda. They are super easy to manipulate.

We got two alleged polls from poland. one showing 66% and one showing 20%.
Either one or most likely both are manipulated by whomever made the poll.

The funniest part is where some people are so absolutely certain that their preferred poll is accurate but the ones they dislike are "shills".

I would take both polls with a bucket a salt

mrttao said:

The article didn't say those 20% of russian households do not have flush toilets. It said they do not have access to central sewage system (aka municipal sewer lines). And explicitly noted 91% of those are remote rural areas, while 9% are in cities.

If russians actually do not have toilets, then you need to find a different source for it. Because that is not what that article said.

Pretty weird description... so they have a toilet that flushes into a "system of pipes" that leads to a pit toilet...
that is basically the article writer taking a septic tank and trying to describe it as a pit toilet

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If you are interested in such shitty topics, here's a great source of related statistics, form a specialist charity.
Some of these look pretty bad for Russia.

Agent23 said:

The poll and the analysis are from a Polish university/research group.

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So? Who paid for it? Who did it? The fact is that the article lacks vital breakdowns and caveats that good polls contain.

Agent23 said:

If you have a problem with their methodology you can just contact them directly.

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I can also tell you to get a source that doesn't suck.

Agent23 said:

If you have a problem with the machine translation you can submit a better version with a click.

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Or i can tell you to fuck off.

Agent23 said:

If you have a problem with me posting you can, as we Bulgarians day, take it up with the Armenian Priest.

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Keep talking shit, only good things will come out of that for sure.

mrttao said:

The article didn't say those 20% of russian households do not have flush toilets. It said they do not have access to central sewage system (aka municipal sewer lines). And explicitly noted 91% of those are remote rural areas, while 9% are in cities.

If russians actually do not have toilets, then you need to find a different source for it. Because that is not what that article said.

Pretty weird description... so they have a toilet that flushes into a "system of pipes" that leads to a pit toilet...
that is basically the article writer taking a septic tank and trying to describe it as a pit toilet

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Maybe it is a problem with the translation.
Here we have водопровод and канализация.
Pretty sure there would be similar stuff and usually when you use those, roughly translated to "plumbing" and "drain".

Now, водопровод actually means water transfer system, usually centralized.
I have rarelly heard anyone refer to it as local plumbing, more like the central service you use to get water.drain/sewage - same shit.

Marduk said:

If you are interested in such shitty topics, here's a great source of related statistics, form a specialist charity.

https://washmatters.wateraid.org/sites/g/files/jkxoof256/files/Its_No_Joke_2015_the_state_of_the_worlds_toilets.pdf

Some of these look pretty bad for Russia.

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Spam, spam, spammidy spaam...

Marduk said:

So? Who paid for it? Who did it? The fact is that the article lacks vital breakdowns and caveats that good polls contain.

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You are so keen to try and poke holes in my sources, why don't you tell me?
Or maybe you can't find an easy counter argument on the first page of google.
Either provide concrete criticism or stop bitching.

Marduk said:

I can also tell you to get a source that doesn't suck.

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>Reee....

Marduk said:

Or i can tell you to fuck off.

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>More reee...

Marduk said:

Keep talking shit, only good things will come out of that for sure.

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Not sure of this is a vailed threat or just you being all out of insults, whataboutism and stuff that you think sounds like a funny quip.

Agent23 said:

Spam, spam, spammidy spaam...

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That should be your official title.

Agent23 said:

You are so keen to try and poke holes in my sources, why don't you tell me?
Or maybe you can't find an easy counter argument on the first page of google.
Either provide concrete criticism or stop bitching.

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I just fucking told you, are you sufering from ADHD? Alzheimer perhaps?
Where's the age/sex breakdown of yes/no answers in your shitty poll you goddamn human shaped goldfish?

mrttao said:

By now it should be pretty obvious that polls are rife with propaganda. They are super easy to manipulate.

We got two alleged polls from poland. one showing 66% and one showing 20%.
Either one or most likely both are manipulated by whomever made the poll.

The funniest part is where some people are so absolutely certain that their preferred poll is accurate but the ones they dislike are "shills".

I would take both polls with a bucket a salt

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Maybe neither are accurate but I think Marduk is closer to being right. The poles aren’t cucks like the Nordics. They remember Russian occupation and it was not good for them I can believe most men will fight to prevent that from happening again.

So, yeah, while Marduk is trying and failing to find a counter argument and attack one of his countries' legitimate institutions of higher education I decided to dig a bit where this Warsaw Enterprise Institute is concerned, and what do I find:

WEI is the exclusive Polish partner of the global report on economic freedom of The Heritage Foundation and Wall Street Journal. It also conducts a number of other programs and projects, such as The Warsaw Network (a network of think tanks from the former post-Soviet area), Plusy Ujemne (a portal where we evaluate significant changes and legislative novelties), Obiecanki Cacanki (a service of election promises), Agenda Polska (a series of publications in the field of Polish development strategy, systemic solutions and spot repair of the law), Świetlica Wolności (a formative place of meetings and lectures for common-sense youth).

Since May 2014 WEI is the publisher of a daily website dealing with the Institute's main areas of interest.

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First off, this "institute" looks to be some form of pressure group/bunch of lobbyists/"think tank" that is buddy buddy with two major neocon/tradcuck "institutions" who are pushing this war and every other war the MIC had gotten into, namely the cucked Heritage Foundation and the WSJ.
The name is a giveaway, like the AEI.

Still no statistical breakdown, whining goldfish. All your poll could be showing is that Polish women generally aren't patriotic feminists and old people aren't delusional regarding their physical capabilities, which are things you don't need a poll to find out about.
The poll supposedly asked any adults, so women and old people included, hence we can use election data to get registered voters at ~30 million out of 38m total population.
So about 27% of adult population is considered fit for military service if we only count men (Poland is not a very progressive country and progressive women tend to not be patriotic anyway so don't expect many saying yes).
So, depending on how exactly the question was asked and the poll sampling, assuming vast majority people not considered even fit for military service defaulted to no, 21% of the adult population going yes while 27% is fit for it may well be a great result, showing that 3/4 of the people that the military might potentially want at all would fight.
You can thank me for that little statistics 101 lecture.

Agent23 said:

So, yeah, while Marduk is trying and failing to find a counter argument and attack one of his countries' legitimate institutions of higher education I decided to dig a bit where this Warsaw Enterprise Institute is concerned, and what do I find:

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Again, institution, you use that word...
But *who* did it? There could be some 70 year old former commie party member in charge of doing that poll for all we know.

Agent23 said:

Warsaw Enterprise Institute - ZPP

Warsaw Enterprise Institute focuses on four key areas for the business environment and improving Poland’s prosperity: The State and the Law Security Economy Demography WEI conducts research, analyses, and educational projects, and publishes commentaries, positions, memoranda, and reports. It...

zpp.net.pl

First off, this "institute" looks to be some form of pressure group/bunch of lobbyists/"think tank" that is buddy buddy with two major neocon/tradcuck "institutions" who are pushing this war and every other war the MIC had gotten into, namely the cucked Heritage Foundation and the WSJ.
The name is a giveaway, like the AEI.

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No one cares what you think it looks like, cope harder.

Agent23 said:

Yeah, I kinds doubt dealing with that will be a fun business when the temperature is very low most of the year.

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Dude, places in the US and Canada get every bit as cold as Siberia, and we don't have any issues. You aren't exactly running outside to do your business in an outhouse when it's that cold out either. The thing about septic systems and sewers is that they're buried, and the ground stays a pretty constant temperature year-round, so claiming they'll freeze just tells me how much you know about such things.

Captain X said:

Dude, places in the US and Canada get every bit as cold as Siberia, and we don't have any issues. You aren't exactly running outside to do your business in an outhouse when it's that cold out either. The thing about septic systems and sewers is that they're buried, and the ground stays a pretty constant temperature year-round, so claiming they'll freeze just tells me how much you know about such things.

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You do realize that there are cities in Yakutia that literally have to be built on stilts because otherwise the heat coming from them will melt the permafrost beneath, right?
You can check Kyun's channel for that video.
I am sceptical the USA has the same terrible weather as Siberia.

Where in the USA do you get as low a temperature as what was mentioned in thet video and did you see my last comment about naming conventions?

Marduk said:

Still no statistical breakdown, whining goldfish.

Again, institution, you use that word...
But *who* did it? There could be some 70 year old former commie party member in charge of doing that poll for all we know.

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>Ree, ree, ree more...

Marduk said:

No one cares what you think it looks like, cope harder.

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Once again the thief is shouting "quick, catch the thief."

Captain X said:

Dude, places in the US and Canada get every bit as cold as Siberia, and we don't have any issues. You aren't exactly running outside to do your business in an outhouse when it's that cold out either. The thing about septic systems and sewers is that they're buried, and the ground stays a pretty constant temperature year-round, so claiming they'll freeze just tells me how much you know about such things.

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Yep.

Outside areas of permafrost, which is basically just northern Alaska, nominal ground temp usually hovers at about 50F in the US; plenty warm to keep septics from freezing if properly installed.

Agent23 said:

You do realize that there are cities in Yakutia that literally have to be built on stilts because otherwise the heat coming from them will melt the permafrost beneath, right?
You can check Kyun's channel for that video.
I am sceptical the USA has the same terrible weather as Siberia.

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Alaska for one. And honestly North Dakota isn't that far off. It may not get -80 without wind chill, but I've personally seen -60.

Agent23 said:

>Ree, ree, ree more...

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You're damn right i'll ree at you until you start using non-shitty statistics that contain breakdowns absolutely vital to their interpretation.

So looks like the chief og NATO says Ukraine does have support for becoming a member in the long term, and that for now the matter is continued support, along with support for joining the EU.

Looks like Russia will have NATO/EU forces just a few hundred miles from Moscow, once they have been pushed out of Ukraine and the 1991 borders reclaimed.

Russia shot it's own strategic goals in the foot with this war, and it's just a matter of when a disgruntled general or admiral puts a bullet in him and tries to begin limiting the long term damage to Russia by ending the invasion, and beginning to repatriate the kidnapped Ukrainian children.

Bacle said:

So looks like the chief og NATO says Ukraine does have support for becoming a member in the long term, and that for now the matter is continued support, along with support for joining the EU.

Looks like Russia will have NATO/EU forces just a few hundred miles from Moscow, once they have been pushed out of Ukraine and the 1991 borders reclaimed.

Russia shot it's own strategic goals in the foot with this war, and it's just a matter of when a disgruntled general or admiral puts a bullet in him and tries to begin limiting the long term damage to Russia by ending the invasion, and beginning to repatriate the kidnapped Ukrainian children.

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This was Russia's last shot once it's blown they become a Chinese vassal state at best

Marduk said:

If you are interested in such shitty topics, here's a great source of related statistics, form a specialist charity.
https://washmatters.wateraid.org/sites/g/files/jkxoof256/files/Its_No_Joke_2015_the_state_of_the_worlds_toilets.pdf Some of these look pretty bad for Russia.

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Oh, they absolutely look bad for russia.
Just that the article was trying to make it seem worse than it is. when the actual facts already looked bad for russia without need for playing such games.