Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

liberty90

Evil Neoliberal Cat
I have corrected, and forgive me but I am not a Corvinist. I'm not even a statist but I'm not a liberal, neoliberal (although both should be called lefeserists) I prefer an aideological approach to the economy.

Tusk is certainly not a supporter of "corvinism" (as is, semi-libertarian economic policies promoted by niche polish politician Korwin-Mikke) either.

Calling him a "neoliberal" is a stretch, looking at how his party decided to betray truly neoliberal parts of the platform, like 15% linear tax rate (proposed in 2007, never implemented, never again mentioned).

From my perspective it's Tusk who is pretty much "aideological" centrist, and you call him "neoliberal" mainly because you literally like giant factories owned by the state, literally socialism, not even social democracy (factories in Sweden are, mostly, private).
 
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Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Calling him a "neoliberal" is a stretch
In this I was referring to you, not to Tusk. Tusk is a whack job ready to promise anything just to win.
looking at how his party decided to betray truly neoliberal parts of the platform
Honestly it is difficult to talk about betrayal here, when from the beginning they did not intend to comply unless it is convenient for themselves. An example of this is the mindless sale of state property just to get rid of it, and then a big surprise that it is bad.
From my perspective it's Tusk who is pretty much "aideological" centrist
Less aideological, which is simply a thief. A lot of what he does is to walk the shortest line of resistance and say you can't do something. And if it's bad for you it's your fault for not having the right connections.
literally like giant factories owned by the state
Forgive me, I prefer large factories controlled by Polish capital (hence I mentioned that I would prefer Tusk if he sold it to our oligarchs, because it is easier to get rid of them than large transnational corpo), and if he has to be state-owned? No problem, just need to know how to manage it and not go into neoliberal, private, private, private! Private ownership will not magically make them profitable. They need to be taken care of, because they are ours i.e. Polish. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone having the vision for such an approach, they much prefer to pull foreign investments because they are much simpler to deal with.

By way of warning, I am more hurt by the thoughtlessness with which the assets were privatized than the fact that they are being sold. If it had arms and legs and we as a society would benefit from it. That's not my problem, the problem is that it's acutely difficult and need basic competence and willingness to implement the necessary measures.
 
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Husky_Khan

The Dog Whistler... I mean Whisperer.
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It’s a pity we don’t have a “facepalm” emoticon.

With that kind of attitude we may never get the sequel we deserve.

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ATP

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In this I was referring to you, not to Tusk. Tusk is a whack job ready to promise anything just to win.

Honestly it is difficult to talk about betrayal here, when from the beginning they did not intend to comply unless it is convenient for themselves. An example of this is the mindless sale of state property just to get rid of it, and then a big surprise that it is bad.

Less aideological, which is simply a thief. A lot of what he does is to walk the shortest line of resistance and say you can't do something. And if it's bad for you it's your fault for not having the right connections.

Forgive me, I prefer large factories controlled by Polish capital (hence I mentioned that I would prefer Tusk if he sold it to our oligarchs, because it is easier to get rid of them than large transnational corpo), and if he has to be state-owned? No problem, just need to know how to manage it and not go into neoliberal, private, private, private! Private ownership will not magically make them profitable. They need to be taken care of, because they are ours i.e. Polish. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone having the vision for such an approach, they much prefer to pull foreign investments because they are much simpler to deal with.

By way of warning, I am more hurt by the thoughtlessness with which the assets were privatized than the fact that they are being sold. If it had arms and legs and we as a society would benefit from it. That's not my problem, the problem is that it's acutely difficult and need basic competence and willingness to implement the necessary measures.

Korwin Mikke proposed to sell state property to polish citizen cheaply to get rid of surplus of money.We would not have any problems then.
Unfortunatelly,they choosed to change money breaking neck of polish medium class in process.
And giving anything what they could to western corpo.

Which is stupid - big corpo never pay taxes,small local bussines always do that.
But,i quess,that is why those traitors were hired by banksters.
 

Lord Sovereign

The resident Britbong
I've seen speculation that considering that there was a very sudden mass departure of Russian warships from the black sea bases, this may be a reshuffle of the command structure to manage a very large incoming offensive.

It does look that way to my mind. Politically speaking, a grinding stalemate is unacceptable to the Russian people and the corridors of the Kremlin, so Putin wants to make one last throw of the dice to try and win this war in one fell swoop.

He’s going to try and take Kyiv again. What happens when this unhappy sea of miserable conscripts and aging Cold War kit slam into Ukraine’s crack divisions is anyone’s guess.
 

Scooby Doo

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Bro I always knew Russia didn't have the capacity to invade any major country (Likely ever) because of their abysmal population to size ratio but never expected to see their logistics be so bad they couldn't blitz a country literally on their border.
 

Lord Sovereign

The resident Britbong
As I understand it, the Russian Military doesn’t have a dedicated logistics corps full stop. I‘m not sure how Putin ever expected to have an effective war machine, because he and his cronies appear to have done everything in their power to cripple it.

An army of the 18th century seems better organised than this train wreck.
 

Husky_Khan

The Dog Whistler... I mean Whisperer.
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On the one hand, I am chuckling at this.

On the other hand though? Not as much as I’d like, s sadly this is actually what passes as “debate” in most online conversations these days. Or in live debates where it’s often purposefully manipulated or rigged.

Yeah it was worse then most of these internet debates that I've seen (I've seen like three or four of them, including this one). They needed Asmongold or that Warski guy to moderate or something. I have no idea.

Anyways, someone made a highlight reel.



Eight minutes of condensed... something.
 

Scooby Doo

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As I understand it, the Russian Military doesn’t have a dedicated logistics corps full stop. I‘m not sure how Putin ever expected to have an effective war machine, because he and his cronies appear to have done everything in their power to cripple it.

An army of the 18th century seems better organised than this train wreck.
Putin and Co must have been playing too many RTS games he forgot about maintenance for units and just thought he needed to just spam buy units for victory lol 🤣
 

History Learner

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Yeah it was worse then most of these internet debates that I've seen (I've seen like three or four of them, including this one). They needed Asmongold or that Warski guy to moderate or something. I have no idea.

Anyways, someone made a highlight reel.



Eight minutes of condensed... something.

On the one hand, I am chuckling at this.

On the other hand though? Not as much as I’d like, s sadly this is actually what passes as “debate” in most online conversations these days. Or in live debates where it’s often purposefully manipulated or rigged.

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This was my favorite recent one. Also, Tiamat, didn't you tell me back in November the Russians have no winter clothes and were starving? One wonders how the Russian soldier is able to withstand no food at all for almost three months while also avoiding hypothermia in sub-freezing temperatures at the same time.
 
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History Learner

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It does look that way to my mind. Politically speaking, a grinding stalemate is unacceptable to the Russian people and the corridors of the Kremlin, so Putin wants to make one last throw of the dice to try and win this war in one fell swoop.

He’s going to try and take Kyiv again. What happens when this unhappy sea of miserable conscripts and aging Cold War kit slam into Ukraine’s crack divisions is anyone’s guess.
Russia has shoved both hands into the thresher. Now, in order to free their hands, they're gonna shove their dick into it too.

One would think by now that the Ukrainians themselves pushing back on the propaganda narratives would disabuse people of such notions:

Zaluzhnyi rejected claims that there are problems in Russia concerning a lack of will to fight.​
"Russian mobilization worked. It is not true that their problems are so serious that these people will not fight. They will,” said Zaluzhnyi. “I studied the history of the two Chechen wars -- it was the same. They may not be as well equipped, but they are still a problem for us.” Zaluzhnyi said Ukraine does not have enough resources to carry out new major operations on the frontline but work to procure such resources was underway.​
"I know that I can beat this enemy. But I need resources. I need 300 tanks, 600-700 IFVs (infantry fighting vehicles), 500 Howitzers. Then, I think it is completely realistic to get to the lines of February 23rd," he said. Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov said earlier during an interview with Newsweek magazine that his army does not plan to stop its offensive during the winter.​

When the Commander in Chief of the AFU is saying its bunk, and the Russians have since proven that by taking Soledar and stopping Ukrainian offensives entirely, perhaps you should evaluate your positions?

 

History Learner

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Well, given we now know Russia's baseline production of artillery shells is more than all of NATO combined and then some, that's a strong take:







I would think that given even Peter Zeihan has started couching his stance on the war should speak volumes in this regard too. The Russian mobilization worked, they now have manpower and material superiority and that's starting to be reflected on the battlefield by their recent successes.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
I would think that given even Peter Zeihan has started couching his stance on the war should speak volumes in this regard too. The Russian mobilization worked, they now have manpower and material superiority and that's starting to be reflected on the battlefield by their recent successes.

Oh, this is going to be good.

What 'recent successes' has Russia enjoyed?
 

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