The Americas Massive Battle Between Sinaloa Cartel and Mexican Army Ongoing After El Chapo's Son Captured, Mexican Air Support Battling Cartel AA Active
- Thread starter Bacle
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Just how much of a factor do you think that Latin American gang brutality is in spurring northward migration from Latin America towards the US?
To be honest, I wonder why exactly Latin American countries are so homicidal and dysfunctional with their huge amounts of homicides, drugs, and cartels whereas US Hispanics experience much less of these problems on a proportional basis. Selection effects? The effects of Anglo-Saxon institutions? Something else?
Circle of Willis
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If I had to guess? They still serve some purpose yet for the American elite and the institutions under their thrall, most certainly & obviously including the CIA. Could be as simple as being their primary drug dealers, could be as complicated as helping to fuel the migrant crisis on purpose or some other nefarious conspiracy/conspiracies. They found Noriega useful for decades long before he even took the Panamanian presidency for himself, after all.
I don't doubt it's a big factor at all, who on earth wants to be neighbors with a cartel sicario who'd boil you and your entire family alive if his boss told him to or he just feels like it while on a coke binge?
in all honesty I think the CIA has done more damage to the us then any forgin government ever could.
They're also useful for intelligence gathering. Maybe they should have focused more on that instead of on regime change during the Cold War.
Yeah, seems like life in the US would be paradise for Latin Americans, even for those who live in relatively well-to-do LatAm countries. I always joke that in California you get a good taste of Latin America with much less of the homicides that LatAm is notorious for!
for gathering inteligence?
Um the CIA has a long history of fucking up inteligence work, in pretty major ways too.
The NYPD has a better and more competent intel network than the CIA, they just don't have the funding/slush funds, State Dept, and DoD backing the CIA has.
DoD doesn't back the CIA.
At least no where near as much as they fund the NSA.
It'd also send a message to any other people who may be 'wannabe-successors' to El Chapo or other cartel heads.If the police that arrested the son are smart they would take a look at what happened to the last people who arrested him when he got free. Putting a bullet in him might save those cops a lot of grief
Lord Sovereign
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Yeah, I am not sure why the Mexican government is bothering with arrests. Classify the cartels as terrorists, declare martial law, and wipe out this plague.
Blasterbot
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because the government in mexico is very corrupt and they have been heavily infiltrated by the cartels to the point where if we send them guns they end up in the hands of the cartels as often as not. this doesn't get solved without a purge.
Circle of Willis
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This is pretty much it, and we can be fairly sure that the corruption covering their asses extends to the US government as well (though probably - hopefully - less extreme). I mean c'mon, on the surface it seems like justifying a war against the cartels should be a slam dunk: these guys are psychopathic Aztec wannabees who revel in violence which would turn veteran gore aficionados' stomachs, they're part of the 'supply chain' of the effort to poison Americans with fentanyl, they're also basically Satanists worshiping a demonic inversion of the Virgin Mary by way of grisly human sacrifices (and note the date on this FBI article, they've already moved to carrying out such sacrifices on American soil...as of a full decade ago!), they're packing enough heat to challenge national militaries & police forces, and they're right next door to the US. If they didn't exist IRL and you made them up as a villain in a story you'd be accused of making the bad guys too cartoonishly evil to be believable even if your critics didn't start bashing you with the 'racism' bat.
That the Mexican government usually doesn't want to tangle with them in spite of all of the above (and the cartels being a much more immediate threat to them than to the bureaucrats in DC) is bad enough. That the American government doesn't either (and this is a bipartisan problem, the Bushes didn't go hard against the cartels either despite them killing DEA agents as far back as Bush Sr.'s term, ex. Kiki Camarena in 1985) even though it's been totally fine with decade-spanning wasteful expeditions to the great sandbox on the other side of the planet tells me there's something much darker at play which has yet to be brought to light. Bad as it already is, I think what we do already know about CIA connections to the cartels (for example) is just the tip of the iceberg, and any successful effort to root them out will first require extensive purges of long-entrenched corruption in not just Mexico City but also DC.
It's impossible to effectively go after the cartels on a "military scale" within the United States, and the United States doesn't want to fucking invade Mexico because that is very likely to cause large portions of the Mexican public to side with the cartels because they're being invaded.
It isn't an invasion if we are asked to help fight the cartels.
Imagine Mexico electing leadership that would allow it, and the cartels allowing such leadership to live long enough to get elected.
Blasterbot
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it would have to be something he held close to his chest till he got elected. he would then need his family and himself under guard that isn't from mexico.
I doubt we will go and adventure outside the border so tightening border security is the way to go and let them fend for themselves.
If the Mexican government was going to ask for external help, they'd ask for a U.N. peacekeeping mission long before they welcomed any 'direct' intervention by the United States.
Why? Thr UN won't do shit and they know it
