This is the 'elephant in the room.'
It's going to have to happen, or we'll suffer more as a result.
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It's going to have to happen, or we'll suffer more as a result.
Yep.
There are bad things that can acure from it. Like an increase in innocent American lives being taken by cartels because wrong place wrong time.
Increase in cartel and gang related violence.
Farmers suffering due to cartels and coyotes using thier lands.
Increase in human trafficking along the border and in the US due to that.
That is why we need to actually do something about it. It will get bad if nothing is done.
Probably to the degree the cartels start actively engaging US police across the border and even ignoring the border.
In which case WE have been invaded.
Cartels may be caring less about holding Colombia now due to their shift to synthetic drugs that can be made closer to markets and with simpler logistics without having farmers grow materials.
The US-Mexico border is the real priority for both sides.
That's the point I am getting at.
The border will cease to exist for the cartels if we don't do something
Look, the US-Mexico situation is not just a 'US-Mexico' issue anymore when it comes to the cartels, due to the huge CCP connections/deals with the cartels.
We cannot begin to unfuck the crime/cartel situation in Mexico until we deal with the CCP funds/goods flowing to them.
Invading doesn't need to happen, a blockade of CCP goods and money into Mexico/to the cartels would be more useful and actually address one of the root issues/supply chains the CCP use to help the cartels.
We cannot begin to unfuck the crime/cartel situation in Mexico until we deal with the CCP funds/goods flowing to them.
Invading doesn't need to happen, a blockade of CCP goods and money into Mexico/to the cartels would be more useful and actually address one of the root issues/supply chains the CCP use to help the cartels.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I would dearly, dearly love to see the next R in the White House literally just send the tanks to the border.
Not across it, onto it.
Every border crossing hot-spot gets a company of armor or mechanized infantry locking it down. Put literal lines in the sand; you cross the green line, warning shots are fired. You cross the yellow line, they start shooting less-lethal weapons at you. You cross the red line, they just shoot you, full stop.
You try to use children as human shields? Soldiers will come and physically beat your ass down, then push you and the child back across the border.
If there is one unquestionably legitimate use for the military, it is securing the border. And coming down like a hammer on any cartel thugs who try to cross would be part of that.
They try to force the issue? Time to show them the difference between a well-armed crime syndicate, and the most powerful military in the world.
Not across it, onto it.
Every border crossing hot-spot gets a company of armor or mechanized infantry locking it down. Put literal lines in the sand; you cross the green line, warning shots are fired. You cross the yellow line, they start shooting less-lethal weapons at you. You cross the red line, they just shoot you, full stop.
You try to use children as human shields? Soldiers will come and physically beat your ass down, then push you and the child back across the border.
If there is one unquestionably legitimate use for the military, it is securing the border. And coming down like a hammer on any cartel thugs who try to cross would be part of that.
They try to force the issue? Time to show them the difference between a well-armed crime syndicate, and the most powerful military in the world.
They have tunnels across the border into various town in Texas.
But yes. That is how it needs to he.
They will just get them from somewhere else.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
And I'm sure the military has fun toys like ground-penetrating radar and seismograms to find those tunnels with. Once they're found, they can be collapsed.
Cleared out, then filled. Not collapsed. Could cause sinkholes.
But yes.
I would love for us to he allowed to do this
AnimalNoodles
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Open borders benefit the oligarchs and the democrat party. thats all that matters in the U S of A
Screw that. Fill them with the nastiest experimental mines and UGCVs US MIC can come up with.
Until they don't.
Which if the cartels keep what they are doing may be sooner then later
Just make tunnel rats a thing and have them waiting.
But yes that works as well
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
Our lords and masters dont care what the cartels do, as long as they get cheap labour, captive votes and masses they can mobilise against the Bad People.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
We'd have to stop our own government from supporting them first.
Oh they would if it makes it so they lose elections. Texas birder cities are growing less blue due to these.
Nah, turn them into 'wildlife corridors', and then let the radical greens pay for their maintenance instead of the military.
After all one fo the Left's gripes about the border wall is that it impedes wildlife that have ranges on both sides of the border. Use this concern against the cartels by co-op's of their infrastructure.
That's step 2, not step 1. Much harder to get the CCP out if we burn our assets down there to the ground beforehand.
Also, need to deal with Hezbollah connections in cartels as well; a lot of our opponents use Mexico's lax border security to put their agents in or over our borders.
Texas is but one state, and one the Left can survive without, and they've already flipped AZ, the only other red 'border state'.
Dealing with our nation's own dirty laundry in Mexico can wait till we push out the funding and supply chains that are coming from overseas opponents.
We can't get rid of the CCP influence in Mexico without getting hands on and basically declaring war on tje cartels
Terthna
Professional Lurker
No; step 1 is uprooting the influence the CCP has over our country. Can't really get them out of Mexico if certain individuals in positions of power are inclined to sabotage any effort to do so.
The problem is that the United States has just a hair under two thousand miles of border with Mexico.Compare that to, say, the Berlin Wall which was only 27 miles and guarded by military assets with far more ruthless rules of engagement *and* far more defensive depth than even a nation as rich as ours could afford to emplace border-wide. . . and still had only very, very limited effectiveness at stopping border crossing.
Meh. Berlin Wall was symbolic, the whole east-west border was very effectively fortified.
Inner German border - Wikipedia
~5000 attempts, ~230 successes over 5 years. 866 miles. As far as ruining the business model of smugglers, would be good enough. That's besides USA having the kinds of surveillance technology commies would drool all over, and not having issues like needing guards to guard the other guards so that the guards themselves don't run away to the other side.
Considering the relatively normal functioning of legal border crossings, USA could also make a decent argument that anyone trying to cross elsewhere is a criminal and up to no good, and possibly getting a little support from the authorities on the other side of the border.