The Americas Massive Battle Between Sinaloa Cartel and Mexican Army Ongoing After El Chapo's Son Captured, Mexican Air Support Battling Cartel AA Active
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Drug cartel threatens to attack malls, gas stations and military installations in Mexico in 72 hours - Elrisala
Drug cartel threatens to attack malls, gas stations and military installations in Mexico in 72 hours - A message began to circulate on social media, allegedly on behalf of the Sinaloa drug cartel, whose leader Ovidio Guzmán-López ("Mouse"), the son of drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzmán Loera...
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Basically they are threatening terrorism.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Well in that case time to tell SOCOM to show them what we do to terrorists
Look even ethnically appropriate casting for this meme... much wow.
That's a big part of the problem, Trump has wasted a perfectly good opportunity to celebrate the centennial of Patton's anti-bandit raid into Mexico, and the current administration wouldn't even dare to think of it. And with current administration in Mexico it would have to be an actual raid, so the chattering classes would get a heart attack.
If USA had a competent leadership, it would quietly message the guy that he's getting extradited the easy way or the hard way, and he should carefully consider whether he would prefer the US legal system with rights, lawyers and other shit money can buy, or a CIA blacksite in Middle East, because if he keeps pulling bullshit like this, that's an option too.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Yep; on the last full day of his term, to be exact.
Obviously, the judicial process was underway for a couple years before then — which again, would've been during Obama's presidency, just as you said.
So maybe Biden will extradite
Circle of Willis
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I was about to post that this was old news which I swore I'd seen a couple years back. Lo & behold, turns out it's a whole new attempt at nabbing the exact same son of the exact same cartel boss as before. Well, I sincerely wish the Mexican authorities better luck this time - seems they're gonna need it, last time President AMLO bent the knee and let the target go after within like less than 24 hours, and the Sinaloans eventually got around to murdering all the cops involved who they could identify anyway.
Suffice to say I didn't care to pursue further cartel torture/execution videos after checking to see if that one was as bad as I'd heard, but I have no doubt whatsoever that the various cartels are still pumping more of those out every day and that they get worse each time, it's just one of many ways in which they're constantly trying to one-up each other.
Los Zetas, the cartel founded by deserting special forces mentioned upthread, had a reputation for kidnapping unfortunate randos (usually illegals trying to get to the US border or street kids) and forcing them into gladiatorial death matches, then recruiting the survivors. However to my understanding they've declined since the 2010s and the Sinaloa Cartel (also the cartel El Chapo led & which his son belongs to) has replaced them as Mexico's #1 cartel, a position which they definitely didn't get to by being a bunch of saints. Now the Jalisco New Generation Cartel, formerly enforcers for Sinaloa in their war to topple the Zetas, has wasted no time in turning against the latter after becoming the #2 cartel (conveniently there's also a power struggle brewing between El Chapo's sons and the family of El Mayo, El Chapo's former lieutenant who has taken over since his arrest) and their war is sure to produce a crapload more Funky Town-tier material.
Their names don't really matter though, they're basically all equally psychotic gangs of demons in human skin and as you can see, they also all pack enough firepower to contend with the Mexican government (and possibly topple it, but why bother - they've already got a lot of Mexican politicians, possibly AMLO himself even, in their pockets too, and it'd attract unwanted heat from their big northern neighbor & the rest of the planet for obvious reasons).
Border Report is an OK place to start, I think. Wikipedia will give you sterile enough descriptions of their activity, hierarchies and atrocities. But I'll be blunt, you could unironically use gore sites for the purpose of studying the cartels if you've the stomach. They're legendarily sadistic motherfuckers doing their damndest to make the Aztecs proud and ISIS look like a bunch of fluffy kittens, and they looooove uploading videos of their extracurricular activities to the Internet as well. Worst I can recall was the 'Funky Town' vid from around 2016-ish where they got around to (very slowly, of course) offing someone they had already flayed & mutilated while playing the titular song in the background. I remember because it became a macabre Internet sensation for a few months.Gotcha'.
Afraid I beat you to it, friend.
Otherwise, don't know much about the Mexican drug cartels beyond some very broad strokes, so I don't suppose you or others have any recommended reading to send my way? Photos and footage from social media are fun and all, but not terribly "comprehensive" or great at providing context via a ten-second video or in 150 characters or less, if you know what I mean.
Suffice to say I didn't care to pursue further cartel torture/execution videos after checking to see if that one was as bad as I'd heard, but I have no doubt whatsoever that the various cartels are still pumping more of those out every day and that they get worse each time, it's just one of many ways in which they're constantly trying to one-up each other.
Los Zetas, the cartel founded by deserting special forces mentioned upthread, had a reputation for kidnapping unfortunate randos (usually illegals trying to get to the US border or street kids) and forcing them into gladiatorial death matches, then recruiting the survivors. However to my understanding they've declined since the 2010s and the Sinaloa Cartel (also the cartel El Chapo led & which his son belongs to) has replaced them as Mexico's #1 cartel, a position which they definitely didn't get to by being a bunch of saints. Now the Jalisco New Generation Cartel, formerly enforcers for Sinaloa in their war to topple the Zetas, has wasted no time in turning against the latter after becoming the #2 cartel (conveniently there's also a power struggle brewing between El Chapo's sons and the family of El Mayo, El Chapo's former lieutenant who has taken over since his arrest) and their war is sure to produce a crapload more Funky Town-tier material.
Their names don't really matter though, they're basically all equally psychotic gangs of demons in human skin and as you can see, they also all pack enough firepower to contend with the Mexican government (and possibly topple it, but why bother - they've already got a lot of Mexican politicians, possibly AMLO himself even, in their pockets too, and it'd attract unwanted heat from their big northern neighbor & the rest of the planet for obvious reasons).
Bassoe
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Are you all out of your goddamn minds? Look at the track record for American military intervention? You want another violent anarchy full of people with very good reason to hate Americans after their friends and family got exploded by our military's flying terminators, but this one's within walking distance for the inevitable refugee crisis?
Because this isn't the first time we have gone to war with Mexico. And we won both other times handily.
It helps that unlike the middle east, we would care a lot more woth them. Plus they actually have a government and not a bunch of tribes
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Not sure.
He has a record of diplomatic weakness, such as the bogus Brittney Griner deal where he let the psycho arms dealer go and ignored all the other American prisoners languishing in Russian custody for far longer.
But on the other hand, it might also benefit his optics to show some strength for once, seeing as he’s been out to lunch on the Border Crisis up until now.
I literally made a point about how we shouldn’t trust US government to march in and restore order when it’s literally arming the cartels in the first place, though…
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Buddy, that ain’t an excuse. That’s like telling someone, “I only gave you the flu; be grateful I didn’t give you tuberculosis instead!”
One is clearly deadlier than the other, for sure. But ultimately, neither is acceptable and thus, neither should’ve happened in the first place.
Circle of Willis
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While it'd be more useful than another jaunt into the Mideast, I have my doubts such an operation would ever be allowed (or if it were, that certain favorites among the cartels wouldn't just be recruited as the Mexican equivalent to those boy-raping warlord 'allies' of ours in Afghanistan) unless DC were first to be subjected to a swamp-draining enema of galactic proportions. The CIA especially seems to be in balls deep with the cartels, one of Bush Sr.'s favored lackeys within the Company was accused of directly aiding the Guadalajara Cartel (the first cartel to really grow to gargantuan proportions thanks to the shift of the cocaine trade's epicenter from Colombia to Mexico) in interrogating & murdering DEA agent Kiki Camarena by the other DEA agent placed in charge of the investigation, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turns out that Hunter Biden has got one or more of the cartels on speed dial to fuel his coke habit - or if he's not even close to being the only one among the corrupt children of the current American elite with such connections.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Haven’t had time to read either of those in full, but if true, then I can at most see the US government finally going in to crush the cartels because they’ve outlived their usefulness. Not out of altruism or genuinely held “Liberate Mexico, yay!” ideals, unfortunately, despite White House claims or talking heads in the corporate media repeating it breathlessly.
That said, it could very well be a future entanglement the US gets bungled in — especially when tied in with mass-immigration from countries that might as well be giant cartel footholds at this point.
I mean, look at what we are doing in columbia. We are helping what everyone knee as CIA activi3w now fighting the drug lords with help of the government.
Almost like we did that so we could comtuine to have money spent
Looking at what's happening now, you could call it a violent anarchy already, hence what is there to lose.
You may be panicking and applying outright silly vision of certain political factions on these things. Cartels gank local civilians accidentally and intentionally by thousands, where's their collateral damage hate?
What makes them specially immune to this and why can't America copy it?
Why would America accidentallying a few dozens in a war to deal with thouse cause some kind of Dammaz Kron grade grudge by the Mexican hivemind?
Look up what Patton was doing in 1916.
Where is this mythical "backlash" for that?
Still, no way democrats will do it, because it's Mexico and it's leftist so not only it wouldn't be easy due to size, they would get called racist and colonialist, so no way.
Circle of Willis
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Yeah, it'd basically be the national equivalent of putting down your pitbull after it got loose and mauled some toddlers. For 40-50 years at this point, if it were to happen tomorrow.Haven’t had time to read either of those in full, but if true, then I can at most see the US government finally going in to crush the cartels because they’ve outlived their usefulness. Not out of altruism or genuinely held “Liberate Mexico, yay!” ideals, unfortunately, despite White House claims or talking heads in the corporate media repeating it breathlessly.
That said, it could very well be a future entanglement the US gets bungled in — especially when tied in with mass-immigration from countries that might as well be giant cartel footholds at this point.
Yes, I'm well aware that the CIA acquired cocaine from the Colombians through the Contras (as well as the early Mexican cartels) so they could push it onto American streets, and whacked people who tried to shine a light on their operations (RIP Gary Webb, one of the last true journalists and first American victim of the 'suicide by two bullets to the head'). The leaders of the CIA-assisted group which killed Pablo Escobar (Los Pepes), the Castano brothers, went on to found what would become Colombia's biggest drug-trafficking/far-right paramilitary outfit for some time. Similarly they loved Panama's Noriega and literally had him on their payroll until he became too much of a liability and Bush Sr. decided taking down one of his oldest friends to make himself look good would be well worth it.
No, I don't hold a very high regard for this 'strategy' of creating problems today to solve tomorrow, with 'tomorrow' meaning 'decades down the road' and usually after said 'problems' have caused untold and frankly ridiculous amounts of suffering. At best and my most generous, I could attribute it to short-sighted incompetence of such scale that it'd be hilarious if it didn't entail supporting factions that are actively trying to outdo the Aztecs in the sadism department; at worst if they actually did all that shit on purpose for profit, they'd unironically be the biggest monsters in the Western Hemisphere pretty much ever, and directly at fault for the atrocities that groups they'd previously aided went on to carry out.