Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

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Shoigu actually did the meme:
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Arch Dornan said:
Hasn't it been like that wanting to go against the current world order?
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No,they simply want to return to their childchood.Or rather,to their imagined childchood in which soviets was happy country witch rich citizens.From soviet cartoons.
Rather sad case.It is as if Poland wonted to return to polish empire, not real one - but that from books written when Poland was enslaved.
 
ATP said:
No,they simply want to return to their childchood.Or rather,to their imagined childchood in which soviets was happy country witch rich citizens.From soviet cartoons.
Rather sad case.It is as if Poland wonted to return to polish empire, not real one - but that from books written when Poland was enslaved.
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It works both ways. Compete against the current super power again while getting back the ideal time they believed they were "great".

Good old days without the hardship when Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky were all gone.
 
Arch Dornan said:
It works both ways. Compete against the current super power again while getting back the ideal time they believed they were "great".

Good old days without the hardship when Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky were all gone.
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Which mean,Brezniew times ?
 
LordsFire said:
Not against powers that are remotely peer, anyways. They beat down plenty of more primitive tribes in their long eastward expansion.
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They also sold Alaska to the US in the 1860s for $7.2 million. The US, with its own problems and on the verge of a civil war was practically the only ally Russia had during the Crimean War.
 
Russia is apparently colluding with some of Sudan's military leadership that seized control in a coup a few years ago, exchanging military support to the Sudanese regime in exchange for smuggling gold out of the country, depriving the State itself of one of the large sources of its public revenue.

CNN said:
A whistleblower from inside the Sudanese Central Bank showed CNN a photo of a spreadsheet showing that 32.7 tons was unaccounted for in 2021. Using current prices, this amounts to $1.9 billion worth of missing gold, at $60 million a ton.

But multiple former and current officials say that the amount of missing gold is even larger, arguing that the Sudanese government vastly underestimates the gold produced at informal artisanal mines, distorting the real number.

Most of CNN’s insider sources claim that around 90% of Sudan’s gold production is being smuggled out. If true, that would amount to roughly $13.4 billion worth of gold that has circumvented customs and regulations, with potentially hundreds of millions of dollars lost in government revenue. CNN cannot independently verify those figures.

An anti-corruption Sudanese investigator who has tracked Russia’s gold dealings in Sudan for years provided CNN with the coordinates of a key Russian processing plant. When CNN arrived at the site, some five miles from al-Ibaidiya, a Soviet flag fluttered above the compound. A Russian fuel truck was parked outside.

A casual encounter with the guard – who confirmed that the facility belonged to the so-called “Russian company” – quickly turned into a tense confrontation.

The guard spoke through a walkie talkie, conveying CNN’s request to speak to “the Russian manager.” A group of Sudanese men then rushed to the scene and ordered the CNN crew to leave, before the CNN car was tailed by the security detail.

“You need to go,” another Sudanese employee at the plant told CNN. “This isn’t a Russian company. It is a Sudanese company called al-Solag.”

A Soviet flag flies over the processing plant deep in the Sudanese desert, a facility known to locals as the "Russian company."
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Al-Solag is a Sudanese front company for Meroe Gold, the US-sanctioned Russian mining business, according to five official Sudanese sources and company registration documents reviewed by CNN.

Al-Solag’s formation over the last year has marked a key turning point for Russia’s presence in Sudan. Under the new model, Russia’s dealings have receded into the shadows, making the arrangements more reliant on Sudan’s military leadership and further enabling Russian actors to circumvent state institutions, including regulations pertaining to foreign companies, under the guise of a local business. CNN has reached out to Sudan’s military leadership for comment, and received no reply.
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Russia is plundering gold in Sudan to boost Putin's war effort in Ukraine | CNN

Multiple interviews with high-level Sudanese and US officials and troves of documents reviewed by CNN paint a picture of an elaborate Russian scheme to plunder Sudan's riches in a bid to fortify Russia against increasingly robust Western sanctions and to buttress Moscow's war effort in Ukraine.
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bintananth said:
Russia has a long history of losing wars. Russia rarely wins without outside help.
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The U.S. has never won a World War without outside help, to the extent that the Wehrmacht in WWII did not classify a single U.S. Division as first class; those honors were reserved for Red Army divisions. Only the 3rd ID was rated highly by the Germans. Indeed, this is precisely why the Soviets inflicted far more casualties upon the Germans than the U.S. did. In fact, you can actually expand this into a general point: the U.S. did not win a single conventional war in the 20th Century by itself.

Of the major COIN operations it undertook, the only victories it had were against the Philippines and insurgents in Central America; it lost all the rest. The Russians, meanwhile, won six out of the nine insurgency fights they undertook. The Soviet intervention into Afghanistan, in particular, is striking; the Russians and their allied forces achieved a better loss rate than the U.S. did with its allies.
 
History Learner said:
The U.S. has never won a World War without outside help, to the extent that the Wehrmacht in WWII did not classify a single U.S. Division as first class; those honors were reserved for Red Army divisions. Only the 3rd ID was rated highly by the Germans. Indeed, this is precisely why the Soviets inflicted far more casualties upon the Germans than the U.S. did. In fact, you can actually expand this into a general point: the U.S. did not win a single conventional war in the 20th Century by itself.

Of the major COIN operations it undertook, the only victories it had were against the Philippines and insurgents in Central America; it lost all the rest. The Russians, meanwhile, won six out of the nine insurgency fights they undertook. The Soviet intervention into Afghanistan, in particular, is striking; the Russians and their allied forces achieved a better loss rate than the U.S. did with its allies.
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what america is good at in war is logistics, and blowing stuff up.

The US milatary hates coin, I repeat they absolutely positively hate counter insurgency operations. We have never been good at fighting those. After vietnam the us milatary purposefully flushed any experience they learned from it down the drain so they would never be forced to do it again.

During Iraq, Afganstan and other conflicts the US milatary utterly hated fighting it.

If you want lots of stuff brought half way around the world in a jiffy were your man, you want something blown up we got you. You want someone to win hearts and minds go to litterally any one else.
 
Cherico said:
what america is good at in war is logistics, and blowing stuff up.

The US milatary hates coin, I repeat they absolutely positively hate counter insurgency operations. We have never been good at fighting those. After vietnam the us milatary purposefully flushed any experience they learned from it down the drain so they would never be forced to do it again.

During Iraq, Afganstan and other conflicts the US milatary utterly hated fighting it.

If you want lots of stuff brought half way around the world in a jiffy were your man, you want something blown up we got you. You want someone to win hearts and minds go to litterally any one else.
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Indeed, and that's why I hate a lot of these general statements being made; they fail to take in context. By the logic being used, one could make the case the Gulf War was only won because the U.S. had allies, given its own track record; obviously that's false when subjected to rational analysis, and the same is true for Russia.

However, in terms of logistics, we've lost that now too. On the subject of artillery, the king of battle:

 
History Learner said:
However, in terms of logistics, we've lost that now too. On the subject of artillery, the king of battle:

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I see you've jumped in with your periodic 'yes my name is ironic' spate of posts.

As to the matter of artillery shell production, how does it compare to other nations' production over the same period?

Pointing out that 'arms production when not in a war-time economy isn't very intensive' is not in and of itself anything remarkable.
 
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