Floridaman
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Well I mean the Chinese usually have secondary purposes for studying abroad namely offshore funds in this case.
Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022
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Uh....
No they arnt working. Because when you say AFV it means BMPs, stuff like that. Tanks though many consider, are not AFVs. They are MBTs, or considered just...Armor.
The cope cages arnt working because if they were, we wouldn't see footage of them being destroyed or on destroyed tanks...
But what ever floats your boat.
The US has even tested the Javes against said cages. And they didn't do shit...
Wargamer08
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My dude, seeing tanks knocked out inspite of their armor doesn't mean that armor in general doesn't work. Just that it didn't work that time in particular. You need a bigger data set then some one off tweets.
Yes, I'm going to take the US military's word that their missile one hundred percent defeats top mounted cage, in all instances. Just like the initial Bradley was a fine IFV with no issues at all.
Yea... That's not how this works...
At this point if you want to keep claiming they work, you need to actually show pictures or video of them working.
Can you shoe proof of the Javes being defeated by a pathetic excuse of SLAT armor?
Because every single instance. As well as US testing had shown it wont
Chiron
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Tanks are definitely AFVs and classed as such.
As for photos, we seen destroyed Tanks that had clearly been hit in the side in ambushes at close range. We also see large numbers of Tanks with the cages showing visible marks of battle and scorching but still operating.
Frankly there is not enough data and too much survivor bias to come to any conclusions. As it stands, the UkA is still unable to take the initiative and is being destroyed at an unsustainable rate in local counter-attacks. Zelensky knows this, knows he is fucked, but is backed into a noose of his own making.
At the end of the day, the Operationally Reality is once the Chenobyl Chokepoint was breached, the UkA lost any hope of forming Corps level counter-attack formations that could prevent the pocketing of the Northeast Units and allow the extrication of the Kharkiv and Donbas Fronts to form Army level counter-attack units.
Russians were willing to accept high losses in the breach phase to pull this off, and in the long run as the pockets in the Northeast throw in the towel, fewer folks on both sides will die, and they get all their abandoned gear and more back.
But given you still confuse fighting a 3rd world militia as indicative of how mass maneuver warfare is fought between industrial states, I don't hold out hope for you.
And you can try to argue "both sides" and "what about" all you want, the fact is Russian troops intentionally fired on civilians and killed them, while conducting a war of aggression on the country those civilians were citizens of.
I haven't heard any US Military estimates. Only estimate I've seen is this one:
Audacy said:
Deep Dive: The U.S. military program to arm Ukraine with Javelin anti-tank missiles
Get a rare inside look at how the U.S. military armed and trained the Ukrainian military with the Javelin anti-tank missile, which is now wreaking havoc on Russian forces.
www.audacy.com
Just estimates on armored vehicles.
So the estimates in this thread so far are between 6% to 93%!
Of course it's being reported in some media as a 93% kill rate of Russian tanks. Who needs context?
Arlos
Sad Monarchist
…I am going to get myself some iodine.
First person I thought of when it comes to mending diplomatic relations in Eastern Europe.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Chiron
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More talk on the cages:
1. RPGs are the most common threat based on real world experience
2. 82mm mortars if they hit the top of a tank can ruin its day and this is protection from that. Ordinance from smaller drones as well can be shielded from.
3. Extra stowage
4. Camouflage including thermal masking camouflage can cause an infrared guided ATGM to go for the engine block instead of the crew compartment.
I disagree on it being useless against a tandem Javelin. If the first warhead detonates on the screen, there is a chance it can cause the impact angle to change as well and that can mean the difference between a destroyed tank or a damaged tank or the second and main warhead missing the tank entirely. The Russian have no doubt tested this theory with their own ATGMs.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Now really, all she needs to do is kneel to the involved parties and prove that her services do not suck at all. In fact, I imagine she will give such a hard well deserved impression she will blow away their expectations.
Firebat
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That's some poor reporting. Harris is dispatched to Poland to hash out plane transfer deal for Ukraine, not to resolve the crisis in general.
To be honest, I doubt there is a way for her to fail in the task, since it's basically win-win for everyone involved.
US gets rid of some older planes, bolstering Poland and Ukraine. The expense is negligible as far as US budget is concerned, and maybe US companies get some maintenance contracts.
Poland gets better planes.
Ukraine gets something to replace their bombed-out Air Force.
I suspect the only reason the deal is not sealed already is because Poles smell an opportunity and want a bigger cut.
Funny funny.
It seems I was right about the maturnity hospital being turned into a Azov position after they kicked out the women and hospital staff.
It seems I was right about the maturnity hospital being turned into a Azov position after they kicked out the women and hospital staff.