Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022
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Agent23
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Is he spamming his twitter feed on here and assuming that people will believe the gibberish(Ghost of Kiev, hellooo?)
History Learner
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Nah, Kiev and Crimea axis were very clearly the main effort. Kherson and Melitopol in particular, with the latter's capture enabling the Russians to push on Dnpiro and to push for a linkage with the forces coming out of the Donbass. The majority of the Ukrainian Army was deployed there, so it seems the Russians are forming a smaller kessel around Mariupol and a large one by cutting off LOCs over the Dnieper by taking Zaporozhye. What happens at Kharkov becomes irrelevant to a certain extent when that happens, as the majority of Ukraine's military as well as Kharkov itself will be encircled.
SchrodingersWehraboo
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I read the Tweet, and I'm not buying it nor would anyone with half a brain. Even if it was removed off TASS, we have internet archiving services for exactly this; you cited an Anti-Putin Twitter account making a claim and then when he (and you!) were pressed to prove it, the article was mysteriously "hacked" away before anyone else could see it and save it.
It's obvious bullshit, and you know that too, which is why you're being so cagey about it now. You're not fooling me at all dude.
Floridaman
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Even then we still won’t the propoganda for both sides will continue.
Floridaman
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OPEC has decided, no production increases, meaning since the US is refusing to restart gas and oil projects shut down in 2021 any attempt to sanction Russian energy would crash the global economy as gas prices would skyrocket.
www.bloomberg.com
prices for the ruble also dropped in half, according to offers by Tinkoff.
www.bloomberg.com
OPEC+ Seen Sticking to Plan Despite Price Shock from Ukraine War
www.bloomberg.com
prices for the ruble also dropped in half, according to offers by Tinkoff.
Dollar Surges Versus Almost Everything on Ukraine Conflict Risks
www.bloomberg.com
History Learner
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OPEC has decided, no production increases, meaning since the US is refusing to restart gas and oil projects shut down in 2021 any attempt to sanction Russian energy would crash the global economy as gas prices would skyrocket.
OPEC+ Seen Sticking to Plan Despite Price Shock from Ukraine War
Worth remembering Russia is the second largest supplier of oil to the United States and meets about 40% of Europe's energy needs IIRC.
I didn't take any of those claims at face value lol. Stop strawmanning.
Here's what I said about the Ghost of Kyiv.
After shooting down six jets yesterday, he doubled his kill count today!
Flying north, he shot down a trio of Russian Medevac helicopters loaded with wounded, then a Russian firefighting plane loitering over the Chernobyl Exclusion area, an air ambulance carrying Alexei Navalny in Belarus, then straddled the border region and got a final kill shooting down an airliner at the Donetsk Airport which later turned out to be filled with Donbass Jewish refugees on a flight to Israel (no males between 18-60 are allowed to leave)!
But he wasn't done. In his second sortie he struck a quartet of merchant vessels engaged in probable replenishment operations with the Black Seas Fleet near Crimea and completely wiped out a POW camp on Snake Island, denying those assets and propaganda value to the enemy!
He can't be stopped!
Clearly I was all in on the Ghost of Kyiv thing.
And here's what I said about Snake Island
Well if the Russian Defense Ministry says so...
Literally he said, Putin Said.
I try and put a disclaimer on my Tweets that everything should be taken with a grain of salt at least...
Wow when I first posted it I said "reportedly" because it was unverified (like I've stated repeatedly in this thread that the claims made are unverified). And then when challenged I stated it's a he said/she said situation and that everything should be taken with a grain of salt at least. So no I didn't take anything at "face value."
And in regards to the IL-76's I didn't even say "confirmed," I said "pretty well confirmed" and then cited the Tweet which you snipped out conveniently stating why...
You might have a different standard of evidence, requiring the visual evidence of the wreckage in wartime but that's a you problem, not a me problem or a problem in general. I stated "seems pretty well confirmed" and post the 'evidence' for why I said it. I didn't make any statement of fact based on face value. But you don't care about that because you'd rather score internet points with this passive aggressive posting. Sad.
Bro this is what you said before. I don't care what you said when the Invasion was about to happen since even Ukraine was mobilizing the reserves and everyone was obviously dooming and reaction by then and it was becoming manifestly obvious.
You all busy trying to gaslight, shame and 'other' people for disagreeing with you on a developing foreign policy issue and then coming in here two weeks later, a Russian invasion and over a thousand posts later and and the first thing you do when you get back is accusing me of being the passive-aggressive poster trying to score internet points when you literally started this by trying to strawman and gaslight people and accuse me of bullshit I never did.
Take a page out of your own book of advice and stop with tracking me down with the passive-aggressive posting, creepy reply guy stalking behavior, sending me weird ass PM's and other gaslighting attempts at emotionally manipulative bullshit followed by this nonsense and it'll be alright. It's weird and obsessive dude.
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SchrodingersWehraboo
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Someone’s launching missiles in Kherson
History Learner
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Then you're either a liar or don't understand the English language, take your pick:
You didn't say allegedly, or claimed, or anything like that, you directly stated "pretty well confirmed" so yes, you did take it at face value.
You all busy trying to gaslight, shame and 'other' people for disagreeing with you on a developing foreign policy issue and then coming in here two weeks later, a Russian invasion and over a thousand posts later and and the first thing you do when you get back is accusing me of being the passive-aggressive poster trying to score internet points when you literally started this by trying to strawman and gaslight people and accuse me of bullshit I never did.
Take a page out of your own book of advice and stop with tracking me down with the passive-aggressive posting, creepy reply guy stalking behavior, sending me weird ass PM's and other gaslighting attempts at emotionally manipulative bullshit followed by this nonsense and it'll be alright. It's weird and obsessive dude.
Pot meet Kettle, because that post you cited of me was from around February 16th, which you used to make a post attacking me over a week later after the Russians went finally did go in. Literally everything you're accusing me of here is what you have done here, not I, and one needs only look at the post dates to see that. I'm not sure how delusional you have to be either to claim I'm directly tracking you down when you literally quoted my post dude lol, get over yourself.
I literally posted my reactions to Snake Island and the Ghost of Kyiv.
This was my reaction to Ghost of Kyiv.
After shooting down six jets yesterday, he doubled his kill count today!
Flying north, he shot down a trio of Russian Medevac helicopters loaded with wounded, then a Russian firefighting plane loitering over the Chernobyl Exclusion area, an air ambulance carrying Alexei Navalny in Belarus, then straddled the border region and got a final kill shooting down an airliner at the Donetsk Airport which later turned out to be filled with Donbass Jewish refugees on a flight to Israel (no males between 18-60 are allowed to leave)!
But he wasn't done. In his second sortie he struck a quartet of merchant vessels engaged in probable replenishment operations with the Black Seas Fleet near Crimea and completely wiped out a POW camp on Snake Island, denying those assets and propaganda value to the enemy!
He can't be stopped!
And this was my reaction to Snake Island.
Well if the Russian Defense Ministry says so...
Literally he said, Putin Said.
I try and put a disclaimer on my Tweets that everything should be taken with a grain of salt at least...
And the IL-76 stuff.
And again... in regards to the IL-76's I didn't even say "confirmed," I said "seems pretty well confirmed" and then cited the Tweet which you snipped out conveniently stating why...
That's taking a report from US Officials at "seems pretty well confirmed" value, not Ukrainian propaganda at face value. But if you want to keep needling on casual word usage as your winning shot, go for it I guess lol. I post casually and fast and loose. If you don't like it, there's an ignore option.
You might have a different standard of evidence, requiring the visual evidence of the wreckage in wartime but that's a you problem, not a me problem or a problem in general. I stated "seems pretty well confirmed" and post the 'evidence' for why I said it. I didn't make any statement of fact based on face value. But you don't care about that because you'd rather score internet points with this passive aggressive posting. Sad.
You are the one sending me the weird apologetic PM's and then weeks later coming out all passive aggressive at me because apparently I quoted you and then digging through this thread for quotes to attack me when you finally come back. I wasn't the person who was going around gaslighting people and trying to other them for stances they never held in the first place. The only reason I brought that up is because you were trying to other people for their stance on a foreign policy issue which sounds skeevy asf.
If you wanna keep trying to score passive aggressive internet points then I'm more than willing to milk it lol. But it's a significant derail you seem to be engaging in since you have an obsessive hateboner over me for the audacity of quoting you a week ago.
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I honestly think that Ukraine strategically won this war a long time ago, because just look at how the EU and NATO reacted. The Russians burned all the bridges they had. Ukraine, on the other hand, is bleeding its opponent.
Tactically it's losing, well in theory, I was looking at what they're doing in the pictures and what strikes me is that they're not focusing on the military columns but on supplying them making it difficult for a Russian attack in the future.
And the fact that Ukraine is retreating?
Well, sir, the Russians can realistically resupply approximately 180 km from the warehouses on wheels, and the rate of attack is faster than resupply. The Russians may penetrate deep, but it will be of no use to them if they cannot supply these units safely. Hence, in my opinion, the Ukrainians are actually winning the battles, but they keep retreating because they want to extend the supply routes as far as possible to make it more difficult to supply the frontline units.
Because frankly they know that Russia has reserves of units, Ukraine doesn't so they prefer to win and give away ruined territory to Russia. I think that in fact these units are constantly moving back and forth. This is modern warfare, here you go to manoeuvre and not to control the line and earth.
In fact, what we see is a real modern war where both sides can give each other a fairly even beating and how Ukraine asymmetrically fights a stronger opponent. They can't fight normally and they don't even try!
As for the shootdowns. They do not have to destroy the plane to take it out of the game, they just need to damage it so that it is useless.
Anyway, this is only the fourth, well in a little while it will be the 5th fifth day of the war. According to Polish time of course.
We may yet be surprised at what happens. In 1920 everyone thought that Poland would fall, but we managed to launch a solid counterattack. Ukraine can still bite and kick, which I wish with all my heart, to bleed that damn Russia as much as possible. No, I have no illusions about the EU and their agenda, but about Russia as well. According to Polish interests, Russia should lose this war or win it at the price of big losses.
Tactically it's losing, well in theory, I was looking at what they're doing in the pictures and what strikes me is that they're not focusing on the military columns but on supplying them making it difficult for a Russian attack in the future.
And the fact that Ukraine is retreating?
Well, sir, the Russians can realistically resupply approximately 180 km from the warehouses on wheels, and the rate of attack is faster than resupply. The Russians may penetrate deep, but it will be of no use to them if they cannot supply these units safely. Hence, in my opinion, the Ukrainians are actually winning the battles, but they keep retreating because they want to extend the supply routes as far as possible to make it more difficult to supply the frontline units.
Because frankly they know that Russia has reserves of units, Ukraine doesn't so they prefer to win and give away ruined territory to Russia. I think that in fact these units are constantly moving back and forth. This is modern warfare, here you go to manoeuvre and not to control the line and earth.
In fact, what we see is a real modern war where both sides can give each other a fairly even beating and how Ukraine asymmetrically fights a stronger opponent. They can't fight normally and they don't even try!
As for the shootdowns. They do not have to destroy the plane to take it out of the game, they just need to damage it so that it is useless.
Anyway, this is only the fourth, well in a little while it will be the 5th fifth day of the war. According to Polish time of course.
We may yet be surprised at what happens. In 1920 everyone thought that Poland would fall, but we managed to launch a solid counterattack. Ukraine can still bite and kick, which I wish with all my heart, to bleed that damn Russia as much as possible. No, I have no illusions about the EU and their agenda, but about Russia as well. According to Polish interests, Russia should lose this war or win it at the price of big losses.
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Well things definitely changed. If Ukraine folded like Crimea did back in 2014 as Putin and the government wanted it to, there wouldn't of been this sort of reaction from the West almost certainly with the denial of airspace, the various sanctions, removal from SWIFT, and other measures that have been taken. It just would've been taken with probably far less sanctions or whatever I'm assuming. Putin was probably banking on hopefully taking Ukraine quickly and relatively bloodlessly and then weathering whatever storm the West would rile up for a while before chugging on, his strategic objectives in the Ukraine ultimately satiated at a reasonable price. But it seems like (at least for now) a lot of the soft power Russia had in the EU and USA has been burned away.
Agent23
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Well, at least he didn't call you racist, yet.
He just listens and believes everything the Ukrainian Agitprop and dumps it here, then when somebody has a differing view he tries to act indignant.
Val the Moofia Boss
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I wonder how many of those 4,300 deaths were the result of on the ground battles with infantry, versus being bombarded by air and artillery during the first couple days.
The only thing that really stands out to me is the logistics. It seems that there are several videos of Russian vehicles stopped along the side of the road, apparently out of gas. Or stories of Russians asking Ukrainians for fuel (no idea if it's true). Seems like someone in the planning department screwed up? Or are we just seeing a few exceptions and this isn't representative of the whole?
Proper rebuttal:OPEC has decided, no production increases, meaning since the US is refusing to restart gas and oil projects shut down in 2021 any attempt to sanction Russian energy would crash the global economy as gas prices would skyrocket.
OPEC+ Seen Sticking to Plan Despite Price Shock from Ukraine War
prices for the ruble also dropped in half, according to offers by Tinkoff.
Dollar Surges Versus Almost Everything on Ukraine Conflict Risks
Edit: Also, looks like Kosovo is coming into NATO ASAP.
I liked the video. I love the growing number of Military YouTubers with animated battle maps. It's kind of interesting to see the war videos that were released in the leadup to this conflict. I posted the Real Life Lore one earlier but there were also ones from Binkov's Battlegrounds and Caspian Report about the lead up to this conflict.
The Caspian Report one kinda detailed how the superior Russian Army was going to just take giant bites of Ukrainian territory, initiate a pause to see if Ukraine would surrender, and if not, proceed to advance more.
The Binkov Video is more fun but probably less realistic. But they're true internet war nerds and that's all that matters to me. The main thing is they must've thought it'd be a far more intense and heavy unit war then it has turned out to be so far and thus probably scaled up the expectations of casualties far higher. Plus his discussion of the insurgency is chancy considering the demographics of the region and how a surrender/conquest is ultimately won.
But neither video came close (as of yet I guess lol) to predicted what actually turned out so far.
Also... finally there is another channel doing (commentary free) videos on the conflict, day by day. Vologda Mapping!
They literally just posted a video a short while ago with the Day Four movements.
Keep in mind he's basing this all off of geolocation and open source stuff (like most of us).
Well, at least he didn't call you racist, yet.
Like I said before, it's more of an impression. Like I try to pass off the impression I have an IQ of 140 when it's actually less then half that. Plus your posting style is pretty intentionally histrionic or provocative or whatever though. I doubt your actually racist so I apologize for that.
Much like my sperging out above, that kind of posting doesn't really persuade or convince on its own merits. And that's fine if your not interested in that. I do think you are needlessly provocative and condescending towards others. I didn't post what I did until recently because... up until you started winging about me being a Ukrainian Fangirl for "spamming tweets" with qualifications, you were pretty nice to me (even if not so much to others). And I wanted to reciprocate in that regard.
But alas... all good things must come to an end.
Love to see some examples. The fact I somehow took the Ghost of Kyiv as gospel, or acted indignant when challenged on the Snake Island didn't seem to pan out so I'd be curious to see the other examples you might have in mind. But then again maybe not, I don't wanna get booted from the thread for more derails.
There's reports coming out of fuel shortages and video/pictures has been posted here of alleged vehicles being paused due to fuel shortages and attacks on supply convoys/vehicles. But all of those things came out like a day ago, I doubt they're perpetually starved for gas. It seems like some of the offensives slowed/paused for a bit but they've been advancing today at a good pace with almost surrounding Kiev and advancing East from their positions north of Crimea.
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Floridaman
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I mean the difference is cut off diamonds, and people can’t get jewelry, cut off the fuel. And modern civilization collapses.