Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

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Navarro said:
That guy was actually murdered by Enclave descendents in the NCR for perceived treason in helping the Chosen One blow up the oil rig.
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I was referring to that one incident talked about, in that voting-congress scene, they mentioned that they(NCR citizens) lynched an old man who they suspected of being Enclave

Or am I remembering things wrong?

That said, I think should NCR invade the Enclave, they may have a hard time sorting out the populace for “the masters” or the “pure humans” of the Enclave

Because even with that official pardon, I think they as Nate thought, consider even the children automatically criminals to be locked up for life
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
Wait, has the NCR gotten their hands on that stuff? I’m fairly certain that with the Courier possibly having been its top agent, he would have gone and decided that it would help the fight against the Enclave better than any increase in-terms of power armor and weaponry
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The casino is in NCR territory but they don't appear to have recovered the technology or if they have it is not in use for some reason. Honestly that kinda makes sense given how much of a game changer that would be to throw into the story.

EDIT: On a second read it seems like the NCR's plan of stripping infrastructure and defenses to move back to the core territories is proving a tad problematic. If anything they should have increased the laser batteries around military sites to bleed the US as much as possible.
 
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Navarro said:
“Impossible,” Dr. Irving said. “Even if some of our spies did ‘flip’ under torture, the agents we’ve brought in there from Arroyo … they would never turn, and those are the ones who sent us that particular piece of data. And they’re still sending the codephrases regularly, which means they can’t have been captured or killed.”

“A mystery,” President Kimball said. “But one we’ll only solve once the war is won. Nevertheless, NCR Military Intelligence data given from within the Enclave is to be regarded as untrustworthy from now on.”
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Of course their ignoring the other possibility that the US figured out they were spies, but decided to keep them in place to feed them false intel.
 
Jouaint said:
Of course their ignoring the other possibility that the US figured out they were spies, but decided to keep them in place to feed them false intel.
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Totally possible given that the NCR has no real background in national-scale intelligence operations against an advanced opponent. Plus unlike the US they don't have all those handy records and operational guidelines from 200 years ago. Also if the OP uses a few things from Fallout 76/Fallout 4 they have the technology to read and write memories as needed.
 
SuperHeavy said:
EDIT: On a second read it seems like the NCR's plan of stripping infrastructure and defenses to move back to the core territories is proving a tad problematic. If anything they should have increased the laser batteries around military sites to bleed the US as much as possible.
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You see, the NCR leadership and general populace ... considers Texas a lesser priority than the core territories, to put it diplomatically. In fact, Texas being ravaged by an "Enclave" invasion suits the NCR leadership's post-war aims quite well.
 
Heh, reading back on the "new plasma mixture" I described the US military using, it turns out it closely resembles the projectiles shot by the alien guns from FO3 and FO4. Maybe that's what they really were - it would fit with the Enclave researching aliens in FO3.
 
Navarro said:
You see, the NCR leadership and general populace ... considers Texas a lesser priority than the core territories, to put it diplomatically. In fact, Texas being ravaged by an "Enclave" invasion suits the NCR leadership's post-war aims quite well.
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Heh, I think not even the Texan Army thinks of it that way, I'm pretty sure most of them are weirded the fuck out by the NCR's Enclave Derangement Syndrome.

Hell, that Private actually went and stayed on Enclave territory for a vacation and didn't see the stuff the NCR's Uber-paranoid and screeching about
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
Heh, I think not even the Texan Army thinks of it that way, I'm pretty sure most of them are weirded the fuck out by the NCR's Enclave Derangement Syndrome.
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The problems the NCR is having in the Texan insurgency are exacerbated a lot by the fact the Texan Army really doesn't want to fight the US or the civilian insurgents they're backing. So they can only really help them with the mutineers.
 
Navarro said:
The problems the NCR is having in the Texan insurgency are exacerbated a lot by the fact the Texan Army really doesn't want to fight the US or the civilian insurgents they're backing. So they can only really help them with the mutineers.
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It’s a real sad situation for them, they wanted No War AT ALL

Only to end up being forced to pick a side and said side is the worse of the two and not exactly gonna be so helpful with their home’s economy

Just how bad a problem are guys like the Brahmin Barons and New Rino Crime Families to newly annexed areas?
 
Won't be relevant for quite a long while but here's a map of the NCR's three main defence lines:

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In Arizona we have the Cassandra Line, then on the Colorado the Kimball Line and finally the Tandi Line protecting Shady Sands. To go into any more details would be spoilerrific but suffice to say even E-USA will find them formidable.
 
Formidable, yes. The very fact that the E-USA will find them anything at all gives us a pretty good idea how the war will go long term. The Tandi line in particular looks pretty last-ditch to me, by location if nothing else.

That's not to say it wasn't prepared before the war, just that if it's being attacked the NCR is probably well and truly fucked long term even if they somehow manage to get an armistice at that point.
 
Unless the USA manages to achieve naval superiority and decides to insert a force behind those defensive lines.

Land at Sonora. Pincer the Cassandra Line. Etc. Etc.
 
Armistice? Rather unlikely, I think the NCR has gone rather zealous in their constant fear and hatred for who they think to be a bunch of “Fascist Nazi’s”

They might get their own people to commit suicide rather than surrender
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
Okay, say what would the Enclave do to the NCR’s economy? Would the Brahmin Barons’ business and influence survive?
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I would say probably not. Chances are the E-USA would not settle for their crap and deal with them in different ways depending on exactly what they attempt to do. At most, a certain amount of them may stay as wealthy business owners (or at least relatively wealthy) and/or quizlings, but I imagine the NCR being broken down and under martial law by an occupying force will cause them to lose a good amount of power that they had before, or I would at least assume.
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
Okay, say what would the Enclave do to the NCR’s economy? Would the Brahmin Barons’ business and influence survive?
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Really depends on how the war goes. If the push west turns into a years long bloodbath then the US is probably going to gut the entire NCR power structure like a chainsword to the stomach. Either way the process of unification is going to shake the NCR and Brotherhood society to the core over next few decades. Of course someone, like say a desperate NCR military command, could end up pulling the nuke card and devastating the Baron's hold on power.
 
I don't imagine it'll really hit slog levels until the USA starts hitting certain mountain ranges. Certainly the most fluid part of the campaign is going to be the territory owned by the Midwestern Brotherhood.

The Great Plains are big and flat and basically perfectly suited to mobile warfare. From what we've seen of the USA's doctrine, mobile warfare seems to be their bread and butter. So that territory is going to be a goddamn nightmare to defend.

But once you hit the mountains, well, those bad boys are going to channel them into predictable approaches that can be fortified like a motherfucker. Late stages of the war in a USA victory would probably be predicated on naval supremacy so they can bypass those mountains. I don't fucking know . . . Land in Baja and drive north?
 
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