Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

[SuperHeavy]

I don't fucking know . . . Land in Baja and drive north?

Honestly driving around the more heavily built up defenses and into the less critical areas of the NCR via Canada seems like a decent option. I doubt they have nearly as many defensive options up around Washington/Oregon as they do down south. Plus they can't cut supply lines this way like they can by blockading the canal if you go for the naval option.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Really depends on how the war goes. If the push west turns into a years long bloodbath then the US is probably going to gut the entire NCR power structure like a chainsword to the stomach. Either way the process of unification is going to shake the NCR and Brotherhood society to the core over next few decades. Of course someone, like say a desperate NCR military command, could end up pulling the nuke card and devastating the Baron's hold on power.

I meant something like the NCR Territories being under martial law by the Enclave, but with a bunch of businesses allowed to keep on going

Would the Brahmin Barons survive with whatever new competition the Enclave brings

Or even worse, the barons used their money for political favors and to get the government to look away

I don’t think the Enclave is gonna have many people who’ll take bribes

 

[CarlManvers2019]

@Navarro
Just thought, who was the guy who came up with the idea of hanging dead bodies for all to see and public whippings? Was it a thing in Pre-War America?

I somehow doubt Wastelanders who weren’t raiders came up with it given how guys like MacCready thought stuff like that was going overboard and reason enough to flee

 

[Navarro]

@Navarro
Just thought, who was the guy who came up with the idea of hanging dead bodies for all to see and public whippings? Was it a thing in Pre-War America?

I somehow doubt Wastelanders who weren’t raiders came up with it given how guys like MacCready thought stuff like that was going overboard and reason enough to flee

Autumn - to be fair, it was done to the local raiders and slavers who frankly had it coming. As for reviving corporal punishment in the military, that was an unavoidable result of low manpower, which frankly meant that soldiers who committed breaches of discipline (those that didn't deserve death, at any rate) couldn't be held in a military jail or whatnot - they needed something that was painful but non-permanent.

McCready also didn't leave because of the brutal punishments done to raiders and slavers, but because the Enclave forcibly broke up Little Lamplight and had the kids there adopted into families deemed deserving.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

@Navarro
Oh right, in-regards to Little Lamplight, how exactly did that go?

Power Armored soldiers come in and tell them that the adults don’t have time to play games and that they’ll put them with nice families?

 

[Navarro]

@Navarro
Oh right, in-regards to Little Lamplight, how exactly did that go?

Power Armored soldiers come in and tell them that the adults don’t have time to play games and that they’ll put them with nice families?

Yes.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Yes.

Sorta like putting an end to chuunibyou syndrome

 

[High Lord Rokland]

Yes.

This warms my heart, I always thought the kids in that cave where punks that needed to be sorted out. Also the cave is a great place to farm that fungus that treats radiation sickness.

 

[ForeverShogo]

Also, one thing I didn't comment on earlier but was nonetheless amused by. That one NCR official being convinced that House's laser cannons would stop a nuclear attack.

House's laser defenses didn't actually stop that many nukes.

Of the 77 nukes that were launched at Las Vegas, only 9 of them were shot down by House's laser cannons. What actually stopped most of the nukes was his computer network successfully predicting and transmitting the disarm codes for 59 of those nukes.

He was just lucky that none of the remaining 9 nukes that got through hit Vegas directly.

He's also lucky that China had the sense to install that kind of safety feature. If China was up its own ass and convinced that their nukes would never be fired by mistake, and so just left out the ability to remote disarm them, Vegas would have been hit by 68 nukes.

He's certain that the Platinum Chip OS upgrade would have improved the performance of his defense network. And he's probably right. Though by how much is anyone's guess. Personally? Even with the upgrade, a nuclear strike with warheads that can't be remote disarmed would probably still have managed to hammer Vegas.

Granted, one solution could just be as simple as "build more laser cannons". Guess it depends on just how confident the NCR is in their capabilities.

 

[Navarro]

That stuff with the nukes being remotely disarmed makes no sense. You can't transmit anything to nuclear warheads on final approach due to the plasma sheath created by re-entry.

 

[ForeverShogo]

Fallout plays fast and loose with physics in a lot of ways, though.

But these are Mr. House's exact words when you ask him how he saved Las Vegas.

===

On the day of the Great War, 77 atomic warheads targeted Las Vegas and its surrounding areas. My networked mainframes were able to predict and force-transmit disarm code subsets to 59 warheads, neutralizing them before impact. Laser cannons mounted on the roof of the Lucky 38 destroyed another 9 warheads. The rest got through, though none hit the city itself. A sub-optimal performance, admittedly. If only the Platinum Chip had arrived a day sooner . . .

===

And, well, people have been working on ways to get around it in real life. And despite the weird technological disparities, they did have like 250 years on us in trying to develop new shit.

New Spaceship Antenna Prevents Radio Silence During Fiery Re-Entry

An innovative new spacecraft antenna may help future astronauts maintain radio contact with ground control during re-entry, despite the interference from superhot plasma.

www.space.com

Don't know if anything ever came of that, but an excerpt from that article.

When future spacecraft re-enter the atmosphere, a new kind of antenna might help them keep in contact with ground control, despite the fiery sheaths of superhot plasma around them, researchers say.

The technology might also help keep communication lines open to other hypersonic vehicles, such as military planes and ballistic missiles.

Hell, Fallout America even apparently fought a military campaign on the goddamn moon. Who knows what other stupid bullshit they have? Maybe their ridiculous plasma tech gave them some stupid bullshit insights?

 

[Navarro]

It’s a real sad situation for them, they wanted No War AT ALL

Only to end up being forced to pick a side and said side is the worse of the two and not exactly gonna be so helpful with their home’s economy.

They tried to be neutral in a continent that was polarised into two armed camps. Whatever happened with Texas, war was inevitable.

Armistice? Rather unlikely, I think the NCR has gone rather zealous in their constant fear and hatred for who they think to be a bunch of “Fascist Nazi’s”

They might get their own people to commit suicide rather than surrender

Oh, I have plans.

I don't imagine it'll really hit slog levels until the USA starts hitting certain mountain ranges. Certainly the most fluid part of the campaign is going to be the territory owned by the Midwestern Brotherhood.

But once you hit the mountains, well, those bad boys are going to channel them into predictable approaches that can be fortified like a motherfucker. Late stages of the war in a USA victory would probably be predicated on naval supremacy so they can bypass those mountains. I don't fucking know . . . Land in Baja and drive north?

The NCR's plan for if they fail to win an immediate victory by taking Chicago, Detroit, etc. is to basically hunker down in the mountains and attrit them to death. It's why they have all those giant defence lines.

 

[Navarro]

I don’t think the Enclave is gonna have many people who’ll take bribes

Corruption exists in E-USA, it just takes a different form. Look at all those unelected Senators and Representatives in Congress, who have no actual constituents because their districts aren't actually under US control. They're pretty much chosen by open nepotism and patronage.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Corruption exists in E-USA, it just takes a different form. Look at all those unelected Senators and Representatives in Congress, who have no actual constituents because their districts aren't actually under US control. They're chosen pretty much by open nepotism and patronage.

How bad are they in behaviour and policy? Like how many scandals do they get into?

 

[Navarro]

Not as bad as the NCR, where whole States are basically owned by special interests with only a veneer of democracy.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Not as bad as the NCR, where whole States are basically owned by special interests with only a veneer of democracy.

Let me guess, compared to the Enclave, the NCR's politicians have way more lobbyists and businessmen and crime families with stronger holds on everyday life?

 

[Navarro]

Let me guess, compared to the Enclave, the NCR's politicians have way more lobbyists and businessmen and crime families with stronger holds on everyday life?

Heh, I'll give you something from my notes:

Part of the reason the NCR was so hardcore about persecuting all former Enclave members (down to their descendants) was because the BOS and the Shi wouldn't tolerate a rival centre of high technology forming within the NCR (it would have led to an immediate war with the BOS, one the NCR might not have won). Moral reasons did play a very big part in Tandi's decision, but without the BOS she might have been more lenient.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

So if it weren’t for both, they would have more likely integrated them and hope that some actually used their knowledge and skillsets for the nation?

I heard there was a Fallout 2 ending where they integrated and got into high positions of power and turned it into a dictatorship

 

[Navarro]

I heard there was a Fallout 2 ending where they integrated and got into high positions of power and turned it into a dictatorship

Well, the dictatorship happens before they join the NCR.

Also, the group that became the Raven Rock Enclave (which was the majority) left before Navarro was besieged.

 

[SuperHeavy]

Oh, I have plans.

Oh damn that sounds more ominous than I expected, and I expected at least a limited chemical/nuclear/biological weapon exchange. Also have they been able to upgrade or build more Liberty Prime robots?