Never said China was smart. 😜And something that would hurt them?
Never said China was smart. 😜And something that would hurt them?
You're missing the obvious point of the bots being run by enemy actors...Oh, I know how they're made. I hang around forums like BlackhatWorld, after all.
But trust me, these weren't bots. Otherwise, you'd have to say everyone on Facebook capable of stringing two sentences together are well-programmed bots to the point of being AIs.
Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that.You're missing the obvious point of the bots being run by enemy actors...
Most likely either China or Russia because both of those countries benefit from spreading lies about US vaccine's and slowing the countries economic recovery.
Wait, so your argument against there being a secret cabal behind all this is that there wasn't already a vaccine ready for all the people they're trying to kill off? Really? I mean, wouldn't that kind of work against the secret evil plan? If such an organization existed, how would any of us know if they didn't already have some kind of a vaccine or cure handy? I mean, remember that there were a couple of pretty effective treatments that the leftists all insisted were fake and did everything they could to bury them? Could kind of fit into that whole secret evil plan if there was such a thing, right?
Except the statistic's for vaccine side effects are known.Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that.
While I don't doubt that China and Russia would pull something like this off, to say that everyone who were complaining of side-effects are bots from hostile state actors instead of, you know, ordinary people being fucked over by dangerous vaccines? Yeah, that's just fucking stupid.
Except... That's very specifically how mRNA vaccines work...
So you know how we've had shows like Star Trek and whatnot about how we can whip up new vaccines and medications and whatnot with practically a snap of the fingers? Well, Pfizer and Moderna have both been hard at work for the past ten years developing the tech to DO JUST THAT. It wasn't cheap by any means, but this kind of capability is something that humanity in general has dreamed of for generations.
Welcome to the future.
Statistics that cannot be trusted due to politics and other factors influencing organizations and scientists.Except the statistic's for vaccine side effects are known.
And they don't support the numbers you are attempting to claim. Which means it has to be either.
A: A concentrated misinformation campaign by almost every medical professional in the world.
Or
B: Misinformation being spread by bots.
Now... Given the absurdity of A, and the fact that B is a known thing and fits the description of what you saw to a tee. Reality is you got tricked by bots.
You do need to take into account the amount of people that have taken the vaccine and not said shit because why would they?Statistics that cannot be trusted due to politics and other factors influencing organizations and scientists.
The "statistics" you're clinging to are as worthless as used toilet paper: The people and organizations presenting them on the whole no longer have any credibility.
So, yes: I will believe people giving their anecdotes about the vaccines causing health-issues, and I won't be as foolish as to believe that everyone saying they've experienced side-effects are "bots" from a hostile state.
Heh, they'd probably not be believed or just be called "bots". 😜You do need to take into account the amount of people that have taken the vaccine and not said shit because why would they?
Wrong.Statistics that cannot be trusted due to politics and other factors influencing organizations and scientists.
The "statistics" you're clinging to are as worthless as used toilet paper: The people and organizations presenting them on the whole no longer have any credibility.
So, yes: I will believe people giving their anecdotes about the vaccines causing health-issues, and I won't be as foolish as to believe that everyone saying they've experienced side-effects are "bots" from a hostile state.
The "groups providing this data" are heavily influenced by politics and bias. I wouldn't trust a word that comes out of their mouths or a single stroke of ink from their pens.Wrong.
The group's that lost credibility aren't the groups providing this data.
I'm going to make this simple for you.
How many people do you know in real life who have either died or suffered the debilitating after effects that you seem to believe exist after taking the vaccine?
Sorry, but I think both of you just completely misunderstood me. I wasn’t disputing whether or not it was possible to come up with the sequence for synthetic mRNA two days after obtaining the sequence of a virus. You both just cherry-picked my post and ignored the larger context, and then pretended like I’d insinuated that it was preposterous for them to develop a vaccine in two days. So, let me rephrase that so there’s no confusion.
On December 12th, 2019, Ralph Baric at UNC Chapel Hill signed a material transfer agreement to receive coronavirus vaccine candidates from Moderna that were jointly developed and co-owned by them and NIAID. This can be seen at Page 105 of this document:
On January 9th, 2020, the WHO reported an outbreak in Wuhan.
January 12th, 2020, China published the sequence of what was then called 2019-nCoV.
January 14th, 2020, Moderna reported that they successfully made a vaccine from this sequence.
How is it that they already have what is quite possibly (given the timing and who it was sent to) a COVID-19 vaccine candidate a whole month before the sequence was published by China, and, indeed, before an outbreak was even announced?
Don’t get me wrong. Our technology is pretty great. However, we don’t quite have the ability to preemptively deduce the genome of a virus based on absolutely nothing.
So, a couple things:
1) “Coronavirus” is actually a generic term, and a fairly broad one at that. It refers to several different viruses, not just what is officially referred to as “SARS-CoV-2”, which is the subject of this thread. It also covers the common cold and influenza, as well as other viruses like SARS and MERS. Some of the agreements spell out specific samples, but others don’t.
In other words, this is a catch-all for a family of viruses. It is not proof that this was COVID info that was handed over.
As a side note, I’d note that the source on this also claims it’s under attack from the Atlantic Council, claiming it’s NATO’s espionage and propaganda arm (spoiler: it isn’t) though that appears a carryover from the Indian website. Again, it pays to check sources and the like.
2) As for Baric? Well, when you have maybe a few hundred or so top virologists in the world, it tends to be a very small community, and yes, they are all going to know one another because of conferences, academic research projects, etc. It’s a very incestuous world at that level. Baric himself is considered one of the top researchers in the field, so…yeah it makes sense that Moderna would come to him for assistance in research that’s right in his wheelhouse.
We noted that gain-of-function specialist, Dr. Ralph Baric, was both the recipient of millions of dollars of U.S. research grants from several federal agencies but also sat on the World Health Organization’s International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses (ICTV) and the Coronaviridae Study Group (CSG). In this capacity, he was both responsible for determining “novelty” of clades of virus species but directly benefitted from determining declarations of novelty in the form of new research funding authorizations and associated patenting and commercial collaboration. Together with CDC, NIAID, WHO, academic and commercial parties (including Johnson & Johnson; Sanofi and their several coronavirus patent holding biotech companies; Moderna; Ridgeback; Gilead; Sherlock Biosciences; and, others), a powerful group of interests constituted what we would suggest are “interlocking directorates” under U.S. anti-trust laws.
These entities also were affiliated with the WHO’s Global Preparedness Monitoring Board (GPMB) whose members were instrumental in the Open Philanthropy-funded global coronavirus pandemic “desk-top” exercise EVENT 201 in October 2019. This event, funded by the principal investor in Sherlock Biosciences and linking interlocking funding partner, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation into the GPMB mandate for a respiratory disease global preparedness exercise to be completed by September 2020 alerted us to anticipate an “epidemic” scenario. We expected to see such a scenario emerge from Wuhan or Guangdong China, northern Italy, Seattle, New York or a combination thereof, as Dr. Zhengli Shi and Dr. Baric’s work on zoonotic transmission of coronavirus identified overlapping mutations in coronavirus in bat populations located in these areas.
This dossier is by no means exhaustive. It is, however, indicative the numerous criminal violations that may be associated with the COVID-19 terrorism.
If there was a big secret evil plan, you think there would be a vaccine ready that everyone would know about? Keep in mind, the big secret evil plan is to "thin the herd," so to speak. I'm just trying to understand the logic at play here.No, my argument was actually that there are several reasons against it, among which is the reason there was not already a vaccine available.
If there was a big secret evil plan, you think there would be a vaccine ready that everyone would know about? Keep in mind, the big secret evil plan is to "thin the herd," so to speak. I'm just trying to understand the logic at play here.