Battletech Battletech/Battlestar Galactica Crossover - Lucky 13th (the rewrite)
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Still haven't decided if I'm going to go with the minimal or maximal THiE from my notes, so for now *hand waves* sufficient number of planets.
Jarow
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Split the difference? Though I guess each end does say something different in relation to other powers.
Go halfway between the minimal and maximal though it depends on what policy for colonisation they adopt. Like how much prep and survey work do they do beforehand and how much of the initial infrastructure and investment is done by the colonist and by the government.
Adventwolf
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Roll some rice for it. They need to have enough worlds and population that they simply won't be steam rolled by other factions though.
And unless the new Hegemony has decided to follow the Star League example of not giving their ships proper ASF defense the Cylons are going to have a very hard time fighting the Hegemony. Since their only "warship" is the Basestar which sucks as a warship. It is too weakly protected in armor and only has Raiders for point defense. It also only has missiles as it weapon system and nothing else. Frankly if the fleet wasn't just running and had proper equipment and time the two Battlestars would be able to rip through the Cylon fleet chasing them. The Cylons only won their war because of the virus after all as they placed all their hopes on that. They never built a war machine to fight they only built a machine to commit genocide with on defenseless colonies. The weapons of the Hegemony will be highly effective against Basestars as the energy weapons have no defense available and the Kinetic weapons are already shown in the show to break them. Even the missiles are going to be powerful as they are meant to take out large amounts of ASF which the Cylon depend on to make up for their poor ship designs.
And unless the new Hegemony has decided to follow the Star League example of not giving their ships proper ASF defense the Cylons are going to have a very hard time fighting the Hegemony. Since their only "warship" is the Basestar which sucks as a warship. It is too weakly protected in armor and only has Raiders for point defense. It also only has missiles as it weapon system and nothing else. Frankly if the fleet wasn't just running and had proper equipment and time the two Battlestars would be able to rip through the Cylon fleet chasing them. The Cylons only won their war because of the virus after all as they placed all their hopes on that. They never built a war machine to fight they only built a machine to commit genocide with on defenseless colonies. The weapons of the Hegemony will be highly effective against Basestars as the energy weapons have no defense available and the Kinetic weapons are already shown in the show to break them. Even the missiles are going to be powerful as they are meant to take out large amounts of ASF which the Cylon depend on to make up for their poor ship designs.
This is a really interesting first contact experience, so to speak, because the Galactica side has inadvertently made itself look far more capable than it actually is. The Colonials' jump drives are unbelievably compact, can jump at will inside the limit, and recharge in minutes instead of days. On the other hand, that's pretty much their only winning card; their fighters are armed with two Machine Guns and their capital ships mount the equivalent of a handful of LBX-10 autocannons backed up by AMSes.
A Cylon Basestar is canonically unarmored and gets shredded by those comparatively puny cannons if a Battlestar manages to get close. They are going to absolutely CRY when they meet Mr. Naval Gauss Rifle and Mr. Naval PPC.
A Cylon Basestar is canonically unarmored and gets shredded by those comparatively puny cannons if a Battlestar manages to get close. They are going to absolutely CRY when they meet Mr. Naval Gauss Rifle and Mr. Naval PPC.
Adventwolf
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Umm no the battlestars are not armed with LB-X or any standard weapons for their primary armament. And the Vipers would have the equivalent of RAC/2s as their main weapons and can carry missiles for both anti-ship duty and anti-fighter duty. Something that BT fighters can't do at the same size. The Battlestars have guns that would be equivalent to Naval Autocannon as that is the very thing they use. Plus their missiles would be stronger as they are built with anti-ship missions in mind instead of the anti-ASF mission BT missiles are built for. And nukes would be likely be on par for both sides. The Battlestars also have the ability to use their guns as massive flak cannons something that the BT universe never were able to do.
You are seriously undervaluing the power that the BSG ships have they would be on par with the best Battleships made in BT.
Shadowarxxy said the Galactica's main guns were the equivalent of an LBX Auto cannon.
Doomsought
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I think the flack cannons are more like long tom cannons given the ultra-AC treatment, or a Medium Sub-Capital Cannon that can fire LBX ammo. The main guns are nose mounted NAC, probably NAC-35s.
As for missiles, they are better than clan. Their capital missiles are all much lighter, including ASF mounted anti-ship missiles.
As for missiles, they are better than clan. Their capital missiles are all much lighter, including ASF mounted anti-ship missiles.
Adventwolf
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Which is still wrong. The Galactica uses the same guns as the Mercury and any other Battlestar. Guns which are huge by the way and would pack a massive amount of Kinetic energy. So again they are the same as Naval Autocannons. Saying they are equivalent to LB-10Xs which is exactly what they said vastly underpowers the main guns on the BSG ships.
Either way the Hegemony ships clearly have the Firepower advantage. By like...a lot.
I was just translating what Shadow said. I didnt say I agreed with it. But it's likely that the BTech side has theclear firepower advantage either way.
Adventwolf
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Maybe it depends on how good the armor is for the BSG side which is likely to be very high as they have repeatedly tanked multiple nukes at a time with like more than a scratch and that is the Galactica with most of her armor stripped away. Just because the Hegemony has energy weapons doesn't mean they are more powerful as even in BT Kinetic and missiles can cause the same amount of damage as a NPPC.
We shall see soon enough.
Adventwolf
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In most other sci-fi universes the BSG ships would be outclassed massively but in Battletech they are not that disadvantaged. At this point they definitely are weaker but that is because they are a refugee fleet not because their two warships are worse than what BT would have. In fact in any straight fight with BSG ships and BT ships I would give even odds of either side winning. They are evenly matched in most regards for capital ships except with the BSG having gravity tech.
Yes, they are straight up LBX equivalents -- flak cannons with the ability to also fire armor-piercing solid shot. They are quite small relative to the ship, visually and thematically equivalent to 5"/38 DP guns, and we see throughout the TV series that flak is their primary purpose and that they are extremely short-range defensive weapons. nBSG ships are almost totally reliant on their Vipers for long range offensive reach.
Adventwolf
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The keyword is relative they are still huge guns dudes. And no they are not just flak guns as they are used and shown to be used as ship to ship weapons. Again they are not small or weak they are as long-ranged as any other naval autocannon would be. Those are also just the smaller guns not the multiple our larger weapons used on Battlestars. For size of those secondary guns you can see the gunner pods on the turrets for the full crew that should give you an idea of how "small" they are. Comsidering the Galactical is over 1400 meters and the guns are easy to see on them they would need to be huge. These are also the same guns that helped take down the first cylon war Basestars that were flying armor station loaded to bear with a huge amount of weapons. So saying that they aren't able to fight and are the same type of weapon as a DP 5 inch guns which were never meant to fight other capital ships is a maitake.
Won't do much. Maybe they get new armor that just makes them even more of a damage sponge but weapons wise aside from removing ammo dependency there is little use they would get out of star league tech. Secondary weapons might be added so the guns can switch to normal fighting instead of the flak mode but since the flak is so much more effective I doubt it. Power generation wise I don't think either side has the advantage except maybe allowing tylium to be moved to only be used to power the jump drive. Engines is a bit of a toss up since we don't know how much of the BSG ships' movement is from their engines and how much is from their gravity tech. But if most of it is from gravity tech then upgrading the engines would be a major boost. If the Star League has better firewalls and hacking protection they may be worth adding to the BSG ships to improve ability. So any refit will be for secondary systems and not for weapons.
Kujo
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Well THiE operating systems is likely different (and with all things BT) more robust, though likely much slower. The any virus may be operating at the wrong 'clock' speed to even try to 'infect' the THiE systems. Something you would use if your faster yet more venerable operating system got taken down. So at best a back up cause they used 8088 chipsets? That and need to manufacture vacuum tubes again
