Battletech Battletech/Battlestar Galactica Crossover - Lucky 13th (the rewrite)
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Yes, but she is lacking in the supplies needed to make use of it.
First trade deal?
First trade deal?
Adventwolf
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I see well I am sure there are some cows on the colony and rock salt. Now the only question is there flavoring available.
As for the Doctor while I still think it is an attempt to be edgy with her character and attitude even with this reasoning. As a way to show how bad the Rimmer are it is a bit of much but whatever not like that stuff is anything new so isn't an issue.
As for the Doctor while I still think it is an attempt to be edgy with her character and attitude even with this reasoning. As a way to show how bad the Rimmer are it is a bit of much but whatever not like that stuff is anything new so isn't an issue.
namar13766
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...At least it wasn't the Coffee Machines. That would move it into the category of "Monstrous, but Not Crazy."
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
In that case the Galactica and Pegasus wouldn't be able to have absorb the damage that they did in otl. They have either way better metallurgy in terms of armor and they mass a lot more
Doomsought
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Or they chose to skimp on the heavy weapons and cargo for more SI and armor.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Given how Galactica in her prime had no less than 52 main gun turrets yeah that's not likely especially given the deep magazines. Plus a Battlestar can explicitly maintain itself and its Battlestar group for years if need be. Well at least the heavy Battlestars could
The fighter production capability and ammo production is very new. And was only on the Mercury class. Older Jupiter classes simply didn't have the technology nor the means.
Adventwolf
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That doesn't mean anything. The Jupiter class was built to be a core of a group. It still provided the supplies and support for the entire group and was able to do it for years. Also ammo production wasn't needed but they could do it. Mercury class was just the newest class with the newest tech but aside from the fighter plant everything else on the ship was just the newest version of what they had before.
Jupiters have deep magazine wells and deeper cargo bays to sustain something that is several orders of magnitude greater than a modern day Aircraft carrier for years at a time. Which is hella impressive. Mercury's then take that a step further.
Legion0047
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Well, the Galactica has a sizeable machine shop in her rear area for general maintenance and that's besides all of the stuff in the flight pods needed to maintain the birds. And for magazines and that, lets take a look at these two images:
Well, simply put the Galactica is like 50% ammo and supply storage which makes sense considering its insanely huge cannons have a fire rate of roughly 60 RPM and that's not even mentioning the 512 PD turrets and the 80 vipers and the raptors and any dependent escort.
Also, for her toughness. You really can't forget that she got nuked multiple times in the show on her bare hull and the worst that ever happened was the hull breach in the pilot where she got hit on the bare hull of her probably less armored flight pods. And that's not to even mention all of the stuff she goes through in the CANON BSG deadlock which includes crash landing in an ocean before being salvaged and refit to her modern appearance as a propaganda piece. So yeah, either the Colonials need to have figured out some properly good alloy for their stuff or she just has to be really fucking though and massive.
Also, for her toughness. You really can't forget that she got nuked multiple times in the show on her bare hull and the worst that ever happened was the hull breach in the pilot where she got hit on the bare hull of her probably less armored flight pods. And that's not to even mention all of the stuff she goes through in the CANON BSG deadlock which includes crash landing in an ocean before being salvaged and refit to her modern appearance as a propaganda piece. So yeah, either the Colonials need to have figured out some properly good alloy for their stuff or she just has to be really fucking though and massive.
I only remember Galactica getting nuked once and she didn't exactly shrug it off. Pegasus got tagged with 3 Nuclear detonations and took it marginal better than Galacticas 1.
Actually a BT warship with very high SI can tank nukes just fine as well.
Since I'm fusing the two universes do not expect everything to be perfectly aligned, BTW, but I'm doing my best to keep it within shouting distance at the very least.
Since I'm fusing the two universes do not expect everything to be perfectly aligned, BTW, but I'm doing my best to keep it within shouting distance at the very least.
Galactica has an impressive number of "main" gun turrets, sure, but look at how modest their size is relative to the size of the ship. She does not have any turrets that even remotely approach the relative scale of battleship main guns; both she and Pegasus are fundamentally armored-deck carriers with exceptionally heavy AA armament, but they lack any equivalent to a battleship's main guns.
(To be fair, this is also true of Battletech ships; even the mighty Heavy Naval Gauss is quite tiny relative to the size of a ship, so they don't have any truly capital-by-relative-scale guns either.)
Legion0047
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Yes, Blue water ships are 90+% Gun/Engine/Armour.
But, the two have some really different requirements and around half of that mass in the gun is actually the ammo which as mentioned, the galactica has a lot of.
But, the two have some really different requirements and around half of that mass in the gun is actually the ammo which as mentioned, the galactica has a lot of.
Doomsought
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BTech ships tend to suffer from the engines tacking up most of that, especially FTL drives that require half the ship's mass at best.
There is also the problem of making a large turret that is also able to deal with multiple gravities of acceleration that prevents the production of all big gun battleships.
The weight of a 16"/50 Mark 7 naval rifle is 267,904 pounds (133 tons). The weight of a Mark 8 "superheavy" sixteen-inch shell was 2,700 lbs, and the ammunition bunkerage on an Iowa class was 130 rounds per gun -- so yes, the ammunition in total weighed more than the actual gun.
Add it up and all three guns and ammo in total weighed just under 930 tons, a little more than half the total weight of the Iowa's three-gun turret which was 1,708 tons. The rest was the armored gunhouse and all of the associated mechanical hardware, although keep in mind that this is the "rotating mass" of the gunhouse -- the ammunition isn't actually stored in the gunhouse, and the rotating mass and does not include any of the supporting equipment that is contained within the lower structure of the ship.
Still, this is quite trivial compared to the 61,000 ton full load displacement of the actual ship. The main gun turrets visually dominated the ship because they took up almost all of the deck space, but they weren't actually that huge a portion of its total mass.
Legion0047
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That was actually the engine as highlighted here:
Because you of course need to actually move all those guns and that armor.
And these two blog posts are generally useful for this thema:
where does my main battery go
starships in silhouette
And my only complaint here is that Galactica's turrets are clearly hydraulic as they rise out of a resting position (as in the entire gunhouse moves up) and so it's not a stretch to say that if an enemy is on one side, the turrets on the other could superimpose themselves over the ones nearer to the target and as such bring all guns to bear.
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Unless we've seen the turrets lift high enough to cleanly superfire over each other, I'd say it's a considerable stretch. The structural loading for superfiring turrets is exponential, and a lot of Galactica's guns are tucked into the hull in ways that wouldn't allow for any hyperextension at all.
This is obviously only a model, but it does a very good job of showing all the flak cannon locations. They are clearly mounted in the fashion of a heavy anti-aircraft battery, prioritizing all-around coverage over focused fire; they are not mounted in any manner that would suggest primary offensive use.
This is obviously only a model, but it does a very good job of showing all the flak cannon locations. They are clearly mounted in the fashion of a heavy anti-aircraft battery, prioritizing all-around coverage over focused fire; they are not mounted in any manner that would suggest primary offensive use.
Legion0047
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Have a screenshot of the pilot then:
All that gray part of the turret just rose out of the hull and yes, a part of it is also sunk into the hull but that's still enough to get a decent amount of superimposition.
And that's besides the point that the ship in the video is clearly the original galactica, not the nuBSG one we're dealing with.
Which was actually brought back to life as the Minerva in Deadlock:
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