Star Wars Zachowon's The Book of Boba Fett Thread
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It isn't wrong but yeah.
Finale? Pretty damn good. Of course some moments were cringe and not the best, but majority of it?
Fucking amazing.
Alright that is all
Finale? Pretty damn good. Of course some moments were cringe and not the best, but majority of it?
Fucking amazing.
and of course we all KNOW what Grogu chose. I am mad at Luke, yet, Grogureminds me of Ashoka in ways. He chose his own destiny. It also means he espcaes the fall of the Jedi Tenple, and probablywill appear in post ST mwdia.
also, Krstan a mother fucking certified Badass. Took on a small army of trandoshians then an army of pikes and a Scorpion walker.
rancor go Rawr.
Bane is left for dead, but unknown if he actually is.
Vanth lives and is gonna have Cyborg parts now.
Grogu gets adorable woth the Rancor. And shows he is still a capable Jedi.
Best scene thiugh is the Mandos vs the Pikes and the Mandos vs the walkers.
Amazing scenes where it shows just how good Beskar is.
also, Krstan a mother fucking certified Badass. Took on a small army of trandoshians then an army of pikes and a Scorpion walker.
rancor go Rawr.
Bane is left for dead, but unknown if he actually is.
Vanth lives and is gonna have Cyborg parts now.
Grogu gets adorable woth the Rancor. And shows he is still a capable Jedi.
Best scene thiugh is the Mandos vs the Pikes and the Mandos vs the walkers.
Amazing scenes where it shows just how good Beskar is.
Alright that is all
Did Fett just not think to send someone to get Slave I, so they'd have air support?
Also, when the Sepie battledroids showed up, it was a real surprise. Didn't expect the Pyke's to have that level of ground firepower.
And the Mods/townsfolk were idiots for shooting at the rancor when it got loose, and Fett is going to be paying for damage to the town for a while.
Also, RIP Cad Bane; went out in a badass fight, and he did outdraw Boba, even if Boba was able to beat him with his ghaffi stick.
Disappointed that Han never actually showed up; I think the IMBd thing was a misdirection about the how the show would go.
Not surprised the other families betrayed Boba; it was the smart move, at least till Fennec found them.
Overall, pretty good finale, a few poor tactical choices aside, and I expect we will be visiting Mos Espa again in other series.
Also, when the Sepie battledroids showed up, it was a real surprise. Didn't expect the Pyke's to have that level of ground firepower.
And the Mods/townsfolk were idiots for shooting at the rancor when it got loose, and Fett is going to be paying for damage to the town for a while.
Also, RIP Cad Bane; went out in a badass fight, and he did outdraw Boba, even if Boba was able to beat him with his ghaffi stick.
Disappointed that Han never actually showed up; I think the IMBd thing was a misdirection about the how the show would go.
Not surprised the other families betrayed Boba; it was the smart move, at least till Fennec found them.
Overall, pretty good finale, a few poor tactical choices aside, and I expect we will be visiting Mos Espa again in other series.
I doubt bane is dead. He was beeping
Maybe, or maybe it was a deadman switch releasing info he'd accumulated over the years.
I hope he's not dead, because he is definitely deserving of a 'reoccuring villian' situation.
I personally want to see Ahsoka get into a rematch with him; she still needs to get him back for the holocron heist and attempting to space her.
I hope he's not dead, because he is definitely deserving of a 'reoccuring villian' situation.
I personally want to see Ahsoka get into a rematch with him; she still needs to get him back for the holocron heist and attempting to space her.
Spoilers... Not really...
Halfway through and by the Force this episode is shit.
Something amazing better redeem this tripe in the last twenty five minutes or I want to see peoples heads on a Pyke paying the Iron Price.
EDIT: The episode slightly crawled from the pits for me towards the end... so I'd give it a solid... oh.... below average in quality.
Second episode was the best. First and third episode were weak. Fourth one was decent. Two of the episodes were basically Mandalorian ones. Finale episode was kinda lackluster. So yeah, overall the entire season for me was kinda disappointing.
I say this with all due respect and appreciating his work in Desperado/Once Upon a Time in Mexico as well as Sin City and in Machete but... Robert Rodriguez can't do straight action scenes very well. He needs some sort of gimmick or schlock to cover up or dress up his action scenes or else you get... what 90% of this episode was IMHO.
Halfway through and by the Force this episode is shit.
Something amazing better redeem this tripe in the last twenty five minutes or I want to see peoples heads on a Pyke paying the Iron Price.
EDIT: The episode slightly crawled from the pits for me towards the end... so I'd give it a solid... oh.... below average in quality.
Second episode was the best. First and third episode were weak. Fourth one was decent. Two of the episodes were basically Mandalorian ones. Finale episode was kinda lackluster. So yeah, overall the entire season for me was kinda disappointing.
I say this with all due respect and appreciating his work in Desperado/Once Upon a Time in Mexico as well as Sin City and in Machete but... Robert Rodriguez can't do straight action scenes very well. He needs some sort of gimmick or schlock to cover up or dress up his action scenes or else you get... what 90% of this episode was IMHO.
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1. True, but it's a tactical mistake that fits the meta and genre of Star Wars. Using "regular" gunships and starfighters for air-to-ground support as opposed to purpose-designed craft like snowspeeders and LAATs is an incredibly rare move, although there have never really been any "real" reasons it shouldn't be. This would also meta-explain why Din never went, "Hey, I have a shiny new starfighter with oversized guns, let me go get that!"
1a. If you want a fanon reason for that, mine has always been that space-oriented small craft typically don't have enough power to operate their repulsorlifts *and* drives *and* shields *and* weapons all at once. Dedicated ground craft do.
2. That's a Scorponek, the droideka's bigger, nastier brother. It's also a really interesting choice because it previously only existed in the "fluff" of EU technical books (the New Essential Guide to Droids and the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia), making this one of the first times Disney has pulled into canon something that was not in any "mainstream" Star Wars content.
2a. Staying in cover even though it meant they were pinned down was absolutely the right decision. Scorponeks in the open are *insanely* lethal -- while their movement is slow and their targeting rather clumsy (they are primarily meant as anti-tank platforms), the firepower they bring to bear in the open is devastating. If the above-mentioned technical fluff is maintained, just *one* of those things fought off four platoons of Clone Troopers the first time it was deployed, slaughtering three of them in the process.
2b. As with a real-life heavy tank or IFV, you're pretty much *fucked* if you don't have anti-armor weapons, because no amount of small-arms fire is going to so much as scratch it. Fortunately, rancors count.
3. It wasn't the smartest move, but it was I think inevitable given that Fett was clearly not in control of the rancor at that time *and* rancors have a rather oversized terror reputation on Tatooine thanks to Jabba.
3a. Large monsters continue to be Din Djarin's achilles heel. Has he EVER not gotten beaten up by them?
4. I think the Han thing is more the fact that IMDB is an unofficial source that can be edited by anyone. It's not as prone to edit wars as Wikipedia due to the niche nature of its content, but it's equally subject to people posting speculation and misinformation.
5. I wasn't surprised. Given their clearly negative attitude at the meeting, this was clearly only a truce of convenience.
5a. Given the disparity in strength and physical toughness, I was surprised that "mass dogpile" worked even briefly on Krrsantan.
1a. If you want a fanon reason for that, mine has always been that space-oriented small craft typically don't have enough power to operate their repulsorlifts *and* drives *and* shields *and* weapons all at once. Dedicated ground craft do.
2. That's a Scorponek, the droideka's bigger, nastier brother. It's also a really interesting choice because it previously only existed in the "fluff" of EU technical books (the New Essential Guide to Droids and the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia), making this one of the first times Disney has pulled into canon something that was not in any "mainstream" Star Wars content.
2a. Staying in cover even though it meant they were pinned down was absolutely the right decision. Scorponeks in the open are *insanely* lethal -- while their movement is slow and their targeting rather clumsy (they are primarily meant as anti-tank platforms), the firepower they bring to bear in the open is devastating. If the above-mentioned technical fluff is maintained, just *one* of those things fought off four platoons of Clone Troopers the first time it was deployed, slaughtering three of them in the process.
2b. As with a real-life heavy tank or IFV, you're pretty much *fucked* if you don't have anti-armor weapons, because no amount of small-arms fire is going to so much as scratch it. Fortunately, rancors count.
3. It wasn't the smartest move, but it was I think inevitable given that Fett was clearly not in control of the rancor at that time *and* rancors have a rather oversized terror reputation on Tatooine thanks to Jabba.
3a. Large monsters continue to be Din Djarin's achilles heel. Has he EVER not gotten beaten up by them?
4. I think the Han thing is more the fact that IMDB is an unofficial source that can be edited by anyone. It's not as prone to edit wars as Wikipedia due to the niche nature of its content, but it's equally subject to people posting speculation and misinformation.
5. I wasn't surprised. Given their clearly negative attitude at the meeting, this was clearly only a truce of convenience.
5a. Given the disparity in strength and physical toughness, I was surprised that "mass dogpile" worked even briefly on Krrsantan.
So more reflective thoughts on the whole thing.
So basically it seems like Robert Rodriguez directed every crappy episode of the Book of Boba Fett. Epidoes #1, 3 and 7. Lets never repeat that folly again.
His action scenes are pretty underwhelming. They might work for certain stylish films like Desperado or Machete or Sin City where you can hide it or gaudy it up, but in Star Wars it was all slow and dare I say boring action exposition. If one though the Vespa Chase scene from Episode Three was sad... the rickshaw race being pursued by the super slow Legends droid was even more cringe but yet another lovely and iconic Mandalorian scene in The Book of Boba Fett.
The Pykes were also a very bland and boring villain. They had seven... sorry... five episodes to set them up and it didn't matter. I'm sure Cad Bane helped shake things up more, but he was the only thing that did so beyond the super slow Super-Droidekas. And again, I'm not a big fan of Cad Bane in general. Also Cad Bane was BEEPING at the end there... I thought he was going to explode but nothing happened... Dun DUN DUNNNNNN?
Also nice job on Mando stretching his resources out throughout Mos Espa to "protect" them on the advice of the Vespa Gang when that turned out to be a waste of time since the whole town betrayed him and how that LEAD TO THE DEATH OF THE TWO BEST CHARACTERS in the show (besides Fennec and Boba) which are the two Gamorreans. I was so sad to see them die like a couple of bitches. "Oh No... we're outnumbered three to one. We haven't been doing this warrior/enforcer job since the Original Trilogy, lets just die and let our death squeals haunt my dreams for the rest of my life."
Love that the final scene was focused on Mando flying off with Grogu... that's such a fitting ending to Mandalorian Season 2.5
His action scenes are pretty underwhelming. They might work for certain stylish films like Desperado or Machete or Sin City where you can hide it or gaudy it up, but in Star Wars it was all slow and dare I say boring action exposition. If one though the Vespa Chase scene from Episode Three was sad... the rickshaw race being pursued by the super slow Legends droid was even more cringe but yet another lovely and iconic Mandalorian scene in The Book of Boba Fett.
The Pykes were also a very bland and boring villain. They had seven... sorry... five episodes to set them up and it didn't matter. I'm sure Cad Bane helped shake things up more, but he was the only thing that did so beyond the super slow Super-Droidekas. And again, I'm not a big fan of Cad Bane in general. Also Cad Bane was BEEPING at the end there... I thought he was going to explode but nothing happened... Dun DUN DUNNNNNN?
Also nice job on Mando stretching his resources out throughout Mos Espa to "protect" them on the advice of the Vespa Gang when that turned out to be a waste of time since the whole town betrayed him and how that LEAD TO THE DEATH OF THE TWO BEST CHARACTERS in the show (besides Fennec and Boba) which are the two Gamorreans. I was so sad to see them die like a couple of bitches. "Oh No... we're outnumbered three to one. We haven't been doing this warrior/enforcer job since the Original Trilogy, lets just die and let our death squeals haunt my dreams for the rest of my life."
Love that the final scene was focused on Mando flying off with Grogu... that's such a fitting ending to Mandalorian Season 2.5
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I am not mad at Luke for one good solid reason. He gave Grogu the choice he never got. I mean when you look back at the Original Trilogy. Luke had no choice to just bugger off and do something different. Both Kenobi and Yoda were pressuring him to become a Jedi to defeat Vader and the Emperor. Giving Grogu a choice was the correct move. Add in the fact that lets face it. Grogu had over 20 years of Jedi training already. Luke even admitted as much. And let's not forget he was there during the massacre at the Jedi Temple. The little guy has some serious PTSD.
Very true. Makes a lot of sense
Robovski
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Grogu can always make his own lightsaber if he wants one, he doesn't need a hand-me-down.
I would also point out that this is Luke right at the beginning of his attempted reconstruction of the Jedi order, so it's not entirely fair to judge him as being vastly more traditional than the EU's NJO era Luke, who had had several decades to revisit and update Jedi theology based on his own experience and those of his fellows.
It's also not as if he gave Grogu an ultimatum for no reason -- he accurately sensed that Grogu had mixed feelings about training as a Jedi, and gave him an uncoerced choice to stay or leave. Note that this is a *huge* improvement compared to the old Jedi Order, who *would not let* a trainee leave -- even if they were judged unworthy of becoming a Jedi, they would be kept under the Order's control by being sent to the Jedi Service Corps.
TBF he hasn't established a Jedi Service Corp yet either.
We all know what Luke's OTHER alternative would have to be...
Skallagrim
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I'll repeat what I previously wrote under a spoiler cut, a week ago:
Having Luke force a choice on the little guy is just terrible writing. It's really stupid, both in-universe and just as a narrative choice. This kind of "you must choose on or the other", especially when forced by an adult on a kid, is always a villain move. This is what a gas-lighting, manipulative parental figure does when his victim finds a new friend and may therefore find an avenue out of the manipulations of the parental figure.
Luke wouldn't do this, because it's a shit move. I also don't like that he'd bring back the stupid "no attachment" idea, since that was demonstrably a bad idea, but okay -- we might debate that. If all the holocrons and shit told him that's the way to be a Jedi, maybe he's just trying to live up to the legacy or whatever. But going about it by basically forcing a child to choose between gifts and saying "choose A and you'll never see me again, choose B and you'll never see your adoptive dad again" is just... psychopathic.
From a writing perspective, it's just lazy. Whatever outcome you want to achieve with this, it can be done better. (Considering that the converted Naboo fighter explicitly has an extra little cockpit, it's pretty clear which way this choice is going, by the way.) [ETA: told you so.]
Anyway, this shit depiction of Luke just shows us that, somehow, he was already becoming the utter shit-heel he would later become, trying to kill his nephew and abandoning the galaxy to suffer.
I stand by all of that. Trying to justify this kind of bullshit is just weak. It's not reasonable to just give a kind a cruel choice. No, it's not somehow smart of kind of good or even jusifiable. It's cruel. The idea was that Jedi build their own light-sabre, and that they do this at a later stage in their training. That's a good moment for a choice. You give them the basic training, so there's a good chance they learn some self-control. And then, when you're at the point where the time has come for them to build their own-light-sabre, you can ask them the question. "Are you sure this is the path you want?" And you lay out the challenges and the potetial limitations. You make it clear there's no shame in choosing another path.
That's a real choice, an informed choice. And it's a galaxy away from this mean-spirited nonsense and shit writing that some people here are trying to cover up with a metric ton of weak excuses. You sound like those TLJ shills who think Jake Skywalker was "ackshuwally very much in character".
Having Luke force a choice on the little guy is just terrible writing. It's really stupid, both in-universe and just as a narrative choice. This kind of "you must choose on or the other", especially when forced by an adult on a kid, is always a villain move. This is what a gas-lighting, manipulative parental figure does when his victim finds a new friend and may therefore find an avenue out of the manipulations of the parental figure.
Luke wouldn't do this, because it's a shit move. I also don't like that he'd bring back the stupid "no attachment" idea, since that was demonstrably a bad idea, but okay -- we might debate that. If all the holocrons and shit told him that's the way to be a Jedi, maybe he's just trying to live up to the legacy or whatever. But going about it by basically forcing a child to choose between gifts and saying "choose A and you'll never see me again, choose B and you'll never see your adoptive dad again" is just... psychopathic.
From a writing perspective, it's just lazy. Whatever outcome you want to achieve with this, it can be done better. (Considering that the converted Naboo fighter explicitly has an extra little cockpit, it's pretty clear which way this choice is going, by the way.) [ETA: told you so.]
Anyway, this shit depiction of Luke just shows us that, somehow, he was already becoming the utter shit-heel he would later become, trying to kill his nephew and abandoning the galaxy to suffer.
I stand by all of that. Trying to justify this kind of bullshit is just weak. It's not reasonable to just give a kind a cruel choice. No, it's not somehow smart of kind of good or even jusifiable. It's cruel. The idea was that Jedi build their own light-sabre, and that they do this at a later stage in their training. That's a good moment for a choice. You give them the basic training, so there's a good chance they learn some self-control. And then, when you're at the point where the time has come for them to build their own-light-sabre, you can ask them the question. "Are you sure this is the path you want?" And you lay out the challenges and the potetial limitations. You make it clear there's no shame in choosing another path.
That's a real choice, an informed choice. And it's a galaxy away from this mean-spirited nonsense and shit writing that some people here are trying to cover up with a metric ton of weak excuses. You sound like those TLJ shills who think Jake Skywalker was "ackshuwally very much in character".
Except that's not what Luke said. He told Grogu that if he stayed to train, he might not see the Mandalorian again because of the difference in their lifespans. That's literally true -- since Grogu is visibly still a toddler at 50 years old, he might not reach a mature Padawan equivalent level for a century or more.
The thing is, the Jedi obviously don't think of the Service Corps as a form of slavery, just a way for "lesser" Force sensitives to remain safely within the Order, and no different from real-life military religious orders having supporting members who rank below the full-fledged knights. The difference, of course, is that such orders are voluntarily joined by adults, whereas the Jedi are involuntarily recruited as children.
In defense of the Jedi on the "forcefully recruiting kids" front.
Imagine a force sensitive teenager, full of uncontrolled hormones and emotions, without ANY Jedi training? Pretty much walking Darkside fodder and while probably not as powerful as a properly trained Sith or Jedi, we're still talking capable of a LOT of nasty things. I mean the Mind Trick ALONE would allow all sorts of very nasty mischief and it's demonstratably one of the easier powers to learn and manifest. And considering that the Dark Side is consistently portrayed as "easier" to learn than proper Force use, it would make sense that a sufficiently powerful force sensitive without training would more likely end up following the Dark Path and thus and end up causing considerable damage to their community and themselves.
As such, while I do disagree with the cutting off of attachments practiced by the Jedi, the situation Force sensitives are in is not entirely dissimilar to that of Mages in Dragon Age. They are demonstratable dangerous to their communities if left untrained, and so mandatory training away from those communities at young ages is a valid societal response...