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Bear Ribs

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None of this supports your point.

Again the issue is:

Can an INDEPENDENT TECHNICIAN not associated with the Medical Industry and Government, access Covid vaccine vials to run the tests you call for. Seeing that both the Medical Industry and Government have discredited themselves in this pandemic with pharmacies routinely 'mistakenly' giving children adult doses of covid vax instead of flu shots, we need truly independent testers not associated with those industries to test these products.

Quit dodging and answer the damn question. I could care less if Medical Industry and Government types can run the tests, that is not the issue here, what we want is outside verification as we can't trust those 2 to give a truthful answer when they have repeatably lied and silenced whistleblowers, plus deliberately injected people with the wrong doses of the wrong vaccine they asked for.
I'm not dodging anything, you're moving the goalposts... again because the facts keep not backing you up. We've gone from "People with access to spectrometers don't have the time and resources to do tests," which was proven a lie, to "Bear Ribs has to personally do the tests" which you only started after I stated that I couldn't do so with my equipment, to "People with access to spectrometers don't also have access to the vaccine," which was proven a lie, to "Only people who are not associated with the medical industry or government" which is obviously ludicrous. Nobody without any training in medicine whatsoever is going to be able to test drugs, almighty convenient for your argument. And even if you get proven wrong, again, what then? You've added this many goalpost shifts, you'll just keep adding conditions until you're demanding that only non-medical, non-government-affiliated illiterate albino aborigine dwarves who were wearing anatomically correct fursuits during the testing count.

Do you think every pharmacy with testing equipment could possibly be in on the conspiracy? Not one tester in Florida got a vision of having his hand shaken by DeSantis on National News while Trump pins a Medal on him for saving all of humanity for sterilization? Nobody in the EU wants to give the US a black eye over their vaccine and promote a European-made vaccine instead? Not a single lab in Africa would like to stick it to the colonizers? Putin's just decided to go along with it despite the fact that Russia's suffering a demographic collapse and could gain a tremendous advantage by not sterilizing their population? They're all in on the conspiracy? Every single last person in the medical industry and in every last government official, based on your demands? Your conspiracy requires that Floridaman plays ball with the conspiracy, and when you're relying on Floridaman being predictable and following orders you know you're in trouble. You're getting absurd.
 

Husky_Khan

The Dog Whistler... I mean Whisperer.
Founder
Bold Strategy. Too bad it didn't work out for him. Though maybe being banned from United Airlines isn't a bad thing considering how shit air travel can be in general nowadays.


Though I guess it did fulfill his goal of it being a portrayal of "mask theater."
 

Terthna

Professional Lurker
Fucking Boris Johnson! :ROFLMAO: "Go out, get COVID, and ignore the science, or listen to Chris Witty."

Yeah, this has backfired massively; more and more people are saying "fuck you", "we didn't elect Witty", and his own Party have turned against him. Hell, the fucking Liberal Democrats, the fucking Lib Dems of all parties!, won more seats than the Conservatives in the bi-election.

I'm fully expecting there's going to be a vote of no confidence in Johnson by the New Year.
It was obvious from the moment he took office that at best, Boris Johnson is a coward. So none of this is at all surprising, coming from him.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
In other news...

Yeah, just saw that.





I think this is why the vax stuff with OSHA is headed to SCOTUS for a stay argument, because now there is a split court ruling that forces it to SCOTUS.

No one ever gave SCOTUS or Biden the power to mandate/order/coerce the mass vax of the US populace, with unproven vaxs that we still do not 'know' the effectes of on pregnant women. That are, at best, an in-effective money grab, and if SCOTUS allows Biden's EO to stand...the Constitution is effectively meaningless.
 

prinCZess

Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
That are, at best, an in-effective money grab, and if SCOTUS allows Biden's EO to stand...the Constitution is effectively meaningless.
SCOTUS, even with a 'conservative' majority, let California's singing-ban stand even while saying their attendance-standards could/should be the same as strip clubs and liquor stores. Because apparently all law schools never cover the ties between the 1st amendment, Christian worship, and song...Or just don't care.
I do actually hate to say it, but this'll just be another mile of tunnel deeper into meaningless-Constitution thanks to pandemic zaniness.

We in the new War on Terror, folks. Buckle up.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
SCOTUS, even with a 'conservative' majority, let California's singing-ban stand even while saying their attendance-standards could/should be the same as strip clubs and liquor stores. Because apparently all law schools never cover the ties between the 1st amendment, Christian worship, and song...Or just don't care.
I do actually hate to say it, but this'll just be another mile of tunnel deeper into meaningless-Constitution thanks to pandemic zaniness.

We in the new War on Terror, folks. Buckle up.
We need to see.

SCOTUS right now seems to be willing to tell Biden 'no' on some parts of the vax stuff, but not others, and seems laser focused on trying to punt as much as possible or narrow the scope of every ruling as much as possible.

This one is two federal circuit courts with conflicting rulings over a federal agency and EO exec power; SCOTUS has no real way to punt on this, they have to make a ruling that will by its nature have a wide scope.

I'm however worried about Roberts; he's a known bit of corruption and is the reason the court did address the election in 2020.

However Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas are holding the line, for now Kavanaugh and ACB are the swing votes.

We'll see shortly if SCOTUS is going to save us from this madness, or condemn us to in perpetuity.
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
Founder
It was obvious from the moment he took office that at best, Boris Johnson is a coward. So none of this is at all surprising, coming from him.
He has his wife whispering into his ear like Lord Varys on one side (apparently, she is a complete and utter power-tripping nightmare at Number 10, and she is pretty much is universally hated); Chris Witty is whispering into the other ear.

The guy is deluded and a complete tool.
 

Cherico

Well-known member
We need to see.

SCOTUS right now seems to be willing to tell Biden 'no' on some parts of the vax stuff, but not others, and seems laser focused on trying to punt as much as possible or narrow the scope of every ruling as much as possible.

This one is two federal circuit courts with conflicting rulings over a federal agency and EO exec power; SCOTUS has no real way to punt on this, they have to make a ruling that will by its nature have a wide scope.

I'm however worried about Roberts; he's a known bit of corruption and is the reason the court did address the election in 2020.

However Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas are holding the line, for now Kavanaugh and ACB are the swing votes.

We'll see shortly if SCOTUS is going to save us from this madness, or condemn us to in perpetuity.

The supreme court has disapointed us a lot but at this point biden has blown through a lot of his political capital and tying themselves to a sinking ship that most of them didn't like in the first place to continue policies that are becoming more dispised by the day ....

I don't think their willing to do that, better to hand him a loss.
 

VicSage

Carpenter, Cobbler, Chirugeon, Dataminer.
Bold Strategy. Too bad it didn't work out for him. Though maybe being banned from United Airlines isn't a bad thing considering how shit air travel can be in general nowadays.
Damn, there goes my plan to have one made like a fishnet stocking. I should still be able to get away with shimapan though.

Anyone know where I can get a tiny ribbon for that?
 

Terthna

Professional Lurker
The supreme court has disapointed us a lot but at this point biden has blown through a lot of his political capital and tying themselves to a sinking ship that most of them didn't like in the first place to continue policies that are becoming more dispised by the day ....

I don't think their willing to do that, better to hand him a loss.
You'd think that, but unfortunately the sunk-cost fallacy is a thing that exists.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder

Damn, the AAPS is straight up calling out the Wu Flu 'bounty' system the incentivizes hospitals to inflate Wu Flu patient numbers and forces a rigid treatment protocol that kills more people than it saves.
 

Cherico

Well-known member

Damn, the AAPS is straight up calling out the Wu Flu 'bounty' system the incentivizes hospitals to inflate Wu Flu patient numbers and forces a rigid treatment protocol that kills more people than it saves.

The one silver lining is that a lot of the corruption in our system has been exposed, now we have to start getting our house in order and fixing it.
 

Chiron

Well-known member
The one silver lining is that a lot of the corruption in our system has been exposed, now we have to start getting our house in order and fixing it.

Or exiting it and letting it crumble because too many in said house won't admit the problems, bullshit, claim you're the bullshitter, and its not worth the effort to save the stupid.

Exit the system, let it crumble, then build a new house with more rigid transparency rules and tougher anti-corruption laws.
 

Chiron

Well-known member
I'm not dodging anything, you're moving the goalposts... again because the facts keep not backing you up. We've gone from "People with access to spectrometers don't have the time and resources to do tests," which was proven a lie, to "Bear Ribs has to personally do the tests" which you only started after I stated that I couldn't do so with my equipment, to "People with access to spectrometers don't also have access to the vaccine," which was proven a lie, to "Only people who are not associated with the medical industry or government" which is obviously ludicrous. Nobody without any training in medicine whatsoever is going to be able to test drugs, almighty convenient for your argument. And even if you get proven wrong, again, what then? You've added this many goalpost shifts, you'll just keep adding conditions until you're demanding that only non-medical, non-government-affiliated illiterate albino aborigine dwarves who were wearing anatomically correct fursuits during the testing count.

Yes you are moving the goal posts and proving my point.

If we don't have independent testers and we can't trust the medical industry or government to tell us the truth because they are actively censoring people and silencing whistleblowers, then we have no way of knowing.

That is the basics of this argument and what you keep dodging.

Do you think every pharmacy with testing equipment could possibly be in on the conspiracy? Not one tester in Florida got a vision of having his hand shaken by DeSantis on National News while Trump pins a Medal on him for saving all of humanity for sterilization? Nobody in the EU wants to give the US a black eye over their vaccine and promote a European-made vaccine instead? Not a single lab in Africa would like to stick it to the colonizers? Putin's just decided to go along with it despite the fact that Russia's suffering a demographic collapse and could gain a tremendous advantage by not sterilizing their population? They're all in on the conspiracy? Every single last person in the medical industry and in every last government official, based on your demands? Your conspiracy requires that Floridaman plays ball with the conspiracy, and when you're relying on Floridaman being predictable and following orders you know you're in trouble. You're getting absurd.

That is not how conspiracies work.

All a coverup needs is people in positions that control investigations and gate keep who has access to all relevant material.

Pfizer a company that has a history of corruption spanning decades, is able to get away with its shit because it has bought off politicians, buys the media to suppress information by not reporting on it and maligning truthful information as not true, and silences whistleblowers.

We've seen this repeatably for the past 2 years. Someone comes out and challenges the establishment narrative, immediately the establishment smears them in the press, if they work for establishment institution or business they are fired, if they have a wiki page it is immediately edited to either smear them or deleted altogether, and the government then piles on pressure by having front men like Fauci lie.

So long as the majority of the masses are gaslit, the few who know the truth are not a threat as the masses believe the propaganda lies so strongly that they resist anything that challenges their bubble.

So back to the Pharmacist in Florida:

When does he ever handle PZP? A veterinary drug not approved for human use and in a supposedly separate supply chain. If someone asks about it, will he actually do the test or just laugh it off, or say he will look into it only to dismiss it and lie about testing? If he does obtain PZP, can he even use the testing equipment without tipping his bosses off and then being fired and smeared for wasting time and resources or any other reason? Given that Pfizer was forced kicking and screaming to release vaccine data they wanted sealed for 75 years alongside the FDA, and has already silenced several employees who spoke to Project Veritas, plus lied, we can't trust them.

Now lets say he clears the hurdles here and does the test and it comes back positive. He publishes the findings. Now the MSM smears him as a crackpot, a fully paid for 'expert' runs an 'independent ' test that says its not true. Pfizer bribes the FDA to say what it wants said and we know from the Project Veritas expose that Pfizer stage manages FDA visits and even its employees don't know all that is going on or into the vials.

Then the Pharmacist gets fired and threatened with revocation of his license and blacklisted.

We have seen this happen repeatably and the mass hysteria promoted by governments around the world is now weaponized into tyranny.

Hence we need independent testers who are not beholden to either the medical industry or government, we need thousands of them, so the chances of the Establishment in smearing them successfully are less successful if they should ascertain PZP and/or something else that shouldn't be there are indeed in the vaccines.

They also need access to the VAERS data, because the batch numbers are in it and some batches are producing more AEs than others and this can be back tracked to specific factories and the Independent Investigators need access that is unimpeded and not staged managed and with no warning that they are coming like an FDA visit would give. That way a factory doesn't have any warning to hide shit.

If you truly believe in transparency, you would support this initiative and we can either put all of this to rest and conclude the vaccines just are cytotoxic by inherent nature of the spike protein, or the companies are adding shit to the vaccines that should not be in them and are not disclosed.

Or keep dodging the basic issue here.
 

Bear Ribs

Well-known member
Yes you are moving the goal posts and proving my point.

If we don't have independent testers and we can't trust the medical industry or government to tell us the truth because they are actively censoring people and silencing whistleblowers, then we have no way of knowing.

That is the basics of this argument and what you keep dodging.
Quit projecting. I started with "This specific conspiracy is stupid because it could be easily detected by some fairly basic tests all pharmaceuticals are subjected to and are commonly done by indepent pharmacies and labs" and stayed there. You're the one who's changed their tune closing in on half a dozen times, I'm the one who's pointed out your many errors. You thought the test took enormous time and resources, then when that was proven wrong you moved the goalposts. When that was proven wrong you moved them again, and again, until now you've managed to walk yourself to claiming that anybody who's actually got the training to run the tests can't be trusted to perform them so there's literally no way anything can possibly satisfy your ever-increasing series of demands. Your position is unreasonable, and unassailable by any reason, as they say-

“You cannot reason people out of a position that they did not reason themselves into.” ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science

That is not how conspiracies work.

All a coverup needs is people in positions that control investigations and gate keep who has access to all relevant material.
Which is kinda my point, this specific bit of material is utterly impossible to gatekeep. It can be checked by anybody with basic training and equipment present in tens of millions of labs. You might as well posit that there's a giant alien space station on the hundreds of millions of people with telescopes are somehow being gatekept from noticing it. It's no less absurd a proposition.

Pfizer a company that has a history of corruption spanning decades, is able to get away with its shit because it has bought off politicians, buys the media to suppress information by not reporting on it and maligning truthful information as not true, and silences whistleblowers.

We've seen this repeatably for the past 2 years. Someone comes out and challenges the establishment narrative, immediately the establishment smears them in the press, if they work for establishment institution or business they are fired, if they have a wiki page it is immediately edited to either smear them or deleted altogether, and the government then piles on pressure by having front men like Fauci lie.

So long as the majority of the masses are gaslit, the few who know the truth are not a threat as the masses believe the propaganda lies so strongly that they resist anything that challenges their bubble.
The problem here is your notion that it's a "few." It would be thousands to tens of thousands since these tests are going to be run on every batch multiple times by multiple independent labs, that's how it's done by default.

So back to the Pharmacist in Florida:

When does he ever handle PZP? A veterinary drug not approved for human use and in a supposedly separate supply chain. If someone asks about it, will he actually do the test or just laugh it off, or say he will look into it only to dismiss it and lie about testing? If he does obtain PZP, can he even use the testing equipment without tipping his bosses off and then being fired and smeared for wasting time and resources or any other reason? Given that Pfizer was forced kicking and screaming to release vaccine data they wanted sealed for 75 years alongside the FDA, and has already silenced several employees who spoke to Project Veritas, plus lied, we can't trust them.
I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that you think the Pharmacist in Florida would ever need to have handled PZP. I can only presume that, given you've shown you have no inkling of the science involved, you're imagining that he loads two vials into a machine and a green light turns on if they're the same or some such nonsense. Of course he doesn't handle PZP, he doesn't need to for this test. He tests the vaccine, gets a result (Which is not "It's a vaccine" it's a series of lines on a graph) and then looks up what the pattern of lines matches on either a database or his trusty lab manual. And you bet your britches it's got things "outside the normal supply chain," he also likely never handles cocaine but if you hand him a baggy he'd be able to identify it. The entire point of these tests is to identify if a drug has been counterfeited, imitated, diluted, contaminated, or otherwise isn't kosher for some reason. So needless to say, they don't just know "what's the same supply chain" but rather access an extremely extensive catalogue of just about every compound known to man.

To compare with my own work, I can identify, quite reliably, if a mineral sample I'm spectrum-testing contains uranium. It produces a distinctive black line at 653.5 nanometers and anything containing uranium has that line. I know that one by heart due to extensive experience with uranium-bearing minerals, but if I didn't I could crack open my lab manuals and look it up easily. Know what I don't need? A block of uranium on my desk. But you, with your extreme ignorance of basic science, imagine that nobody who does not have a block of uranium on their desk can identify uranium-bearing minerals, or to abandon the metaphor, that nobody who doesn't handle PZP is going to be able to open their reference guides and look up PZP's spectrum. Your arguments are bad because you are not basing them on any facts, but hysterical feels. If you had facts, you wouldn't keep making this kind of basic error.

Now lets say he clears the hurdles here and does the test and it comes back positive. He publishes the findings. Now the MSM smears him as a crackpot, a fully paid for 'expert' runs an 'independent ' test that says its not true. Pfizer bribes the FDA to say what it wants said and we know from the Project Veritas expose that Pfizer stage manages FDA visits and even its employees don't know all that is going on or into the vials.

Then the Pharmacist gets fired and threatened with revocation of his license and blacklisted.

We have seen this happen repeatably and the mass hysteria promoted by governments around the world is now weaponized into tyranny.

Hence we need independent testers who are not beholden to either the medical industry or government, we need thousands of them, so the chances of the Establishment in smearing them successfully are less successful if they should ascertain PZP and/or something else that shouldn't be there are indeed in the vaccines.

They also need access to the VAERS data, because the batch numbers are in it and some batches are producing more AEs than others and this can be back tracked to specific factories and the Independent Investigators need access that is unimpeded and not staged managed and with no warning that they are coming like an FDA visit would give. That way a factory doesn't have any warning to hide shit.
Well good news, here it is. VAERS data can be accessed by anybody with an internet connection, too bad for your ignorant arguments. Given your behavior so far, I have little doubt your next step is to move the goalposts as always and claim you need more data and it isn't good enough for some asinine reason.

If you truly believe in transparency, you would support this initiative and we can either put all of this to rest and conclude the vaccines just are cytotoxic by inherent nature of the spike protein, or the companies are adding shit to the vaccines that should not be in them and are not disclosed.

Or keep dodging the basic issue here.
Given we can already do everything you're asking for, of course I support that initiative, in the same sense that I support legalizing oatmeal. Now, are there other concerns? Of course, I'm deeply distrustful of their need to wait 75 years to release data and I'd like to see some other research areas opened up. But this specific conspiracy theory about PZP? Obvious balderdash and a smokescreen for whatever's really going on.
 

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