China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

Rocinante said:
We would already have EXTREMELY alarming numbers on birth rates if this was the case.

Unless it's made to only have a small effect...but 50%? That shit isn't going unnoticed.

I think it's most likely that they just made a shitty vaccine, and they and the government are doubling down for money and politics, respectively.

There certainly is a conspiracy afoot, of that I have no doubt. I suspect it's way more likely to be about the billions or trillions of dollars on the line, and the political careers of those involved, than it is about any of the mass sterilization/tracking/etc conspiracies I've heard.
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It may take some time to be noticed even if this is actually true. You also have to consider, what with how numbers have been reported with regard to the Wu Flu, that the numbers could just be misreported or even just hidden from public view.
 
Captain X said:
It may take some time to be noticed even if this is actually true. You also have to consider, what with how numbers have been reported with regard to the Wu Flu, that the numbers could just be misreported or even just hidden from public view.
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There is also the fact PZP takes a while to kick in, and the fact that it's perfectly possible they are manipulating the doses to make the effects take a bit longer or are a bit weaker than on the animal stuff.

But that is sadly me falling for the fallacy of only looking for confirmation. I would love to know if there is some quick way a layman can tell if the vaxx is really PZP. As a friend mentioned on a convo, we could use a open minded doctor/researcher with actual credentials looking into it to disprove it. Could be as simple as asking a vet who has used it before for a visual clue and finding out PZP has a color shade while the vaccine is colorless.
 
Sobek said:
There is also the fact PZP takes a while to kick in, and the fact that it's perfectly possible they are manipulating the doses to make the effects take a bit longer or are a bit weaker than on the animal stuff.

But that is sadly me falling for the fallacy of only looking for confirmation. I would love to know if there is some quick way a layman can tell if the vaxx is really PZP. As a friend mentioned on a convo, we could use a open minded doctor/researcher with actual credentials looking into it to disprove it. Could be as simple as asking a vet who has used it before for a visual clue and finding out PZP has a color shade while the vaccine is colorless.
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I would expect a spectrometer to show a difference and those aren't exactly rare, I have one myself though it's not designed for drugs and I don't have the training that would let me use it for that purpose. It doesn't seem reasonable to me that the tens of millions of people with access to a proper chemical spectrometer would all either be in on the conspiracy or else just never think to test a batch of vaccines.
 
Bear Ribs said:
I would expect a spectrometer to show a difference and those aren't exactly rare, I have one myself though it's not designed for drugs and I don't have the training that would let me use it for that purpose. It doesn't seem reasonable to me that the tens of millions of people with access to a proper chemical spectrometer would all either be in on the conspiracy or else just never think to test a batch of vaccines.
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I'd say look online for the training; being able to test something like this in your own machine would be really important to seeing if there is anything to the PZP stuff.
 
Bear Ribs said:
I would expect a spectrometer to show a difference and those aren't exactly rare, I have one myself though it's not designed for drugs and I don't have the training that would let me use it for that purpose. It doesn't seem reasonable to me that the tens of millions of people with access to a proper chemical spectrometer would all either be in on the conspiracy or else just never think to test a batch of vaccines.
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That is an A Priori fallacy. Most people with these spectrometers do not have the time or resources to test this while also doing their other jobs. In addition given the high censorship and hostile social media environment plus active corporate capture of regulatory bodies, many will not go public due to fear even if they do find anything. Take Pfizer employees, they know the vaccines are deadly, they seen it first hand, they also seen the company fire whistleblowers and the media smear them, so they keep it down low.

So it is entirely possible for 10s of millions to keep their mouths shut. We have ample historical evidence of that.
 
Sobek said:
The vaccines aren't that deadly. They are bad, but the difference between "pushing a flawed vaxx that causes heart problems" and "pushing literal sterilization on a scale that would make eugenicists blush" is quite big.
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of course since the public trust has been utterly destroyed by a series of bad actions...well its hard to trust anything the establishment does.
 
Chiron said:
That is an A Priori fallacy. Most people with these spectrometers do not have the time or resources to test this while also doing their other jobs.
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No. A Raman spectrograph can give results in a few seconds. It does not require any special resources beyond a wall socket to plug it in.

Chiron said:
In addition given the high censorship and hostile social media environment plus active corporate capture of regulatory bodies, many will not go public due to fear even if they do find anything. Take Pfizer employees, they know the vaccines are deadly, they seen it first hand, they also seen the company fire whistleblowers and the media smear them, so they keep it down low.

So it is entirely possible for 10s of millions to keep their mouths shut. We have ample historical evidence of that
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This is at least theoretically possible unlike the previous claim, but you're asking us to believe that untold thousands of pharmacists, small-town doctors, every forensics lab in the entire country, every one of them is either in on it or cowed into keeping their mouth shut. Tens of millions of people just in the US, hundreds of millions worldwide. It's patently absurd, no conspiracy has that kind of ridiculous clout. Spectrography is simply not that complex or hard to do, it would be like claiming there's a secret space station and somehow every single amateur astronomer and kid with a telescope on the planet has been cowed into not reporting it.

Bacle said:
I'd say look online for the training; being able to test something like this in your own machine would be really important to seeing if there is anything to the PZP stuff.
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It's doubtful mine will work, I use a diffraction grating spectroscope that will let me see absorption lines, but not individual molecular structures. By training, I meant I don't know how to use a Raman Spectrometer though I could likely figure it out with a manual and a bit of effort, it's not hard and they give solid results in seconds. Using my own equipment, I could tell what elements are in the vaccine but I'd just get results of, basically, carbon/hydrogen/oxygen/nitrogen and I'd get about the same results from a slice of bacon because both are protein and it's not the elements involved that matter, it's the order said elements appear in. As PZP is also a protein-based vaccine, I'd get the same results an honest COVID vaccine would have.

Having looked up PZP in more detail, I've discovered its effects only last about two years, and then it wears off, requiring another dosage or fertility returns to the mare. This makes me even more dubious that this is a possibility, not only would it become obvious that fertility levels in people have dropped like a rock, once found out within two years all the women would become fertile again so it would be completely ineffective in any case. Plus, y'know, these idiots would be sterilizing the population of their supporters and leaving their political enemies to breed and multiply which isn't, maybe, the best strategy ever.
 
Sobek said:
The vaccines aren't that deadly. They are bad, but the difference between "pushing a flawed vaxx that causes heart problems" and "pushing literal sterilization on a scale that would make eugenicists blush" is quite big.
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This.
Cherico said:
of course since the public trust has been utterly destroyed by a series of bad actions...well its hard to trust anything the establishment does.
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Bear Ribs said:
It's doubtful mine will work, I use a diffraction grating spectroscope that will let me see absorption lines, but not individual molecular structures. By training, I meant I don't know how to use a Raman Spectrometer though I could likely figure it out with a manual and a bit of effort, it's not hard and they give solid results in seconds. Using my own equipment, I could tell what elements are in the vaccine but I'd just get results of, basically, carbon/hydrogen/oxygen/nitrogen and I'd get about the same results from a slice of bacon because both are protein and it's not the elements involved that matter, it's the order said elements appear in. As PZP is also a protein-based vaccine, I'd get the same results an honest COVID vaccine would have.
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Ah, fair enough.

Bear Ribs said:
Having looked up PZP in more detail, I've discovered its effects only last about two years, and then it wears off, requiring another dosage or fertility returns to the mare. This makes me even more dubious that this is a possibility, not only would it become obvious that fertility levels in people have dropped like a rock, once found out within two years all the women would become fertile again so it would be completely ineffective in any case. Plus, y'know, these idiots would be sterilizing the population of their supporters and leaving their political enemies to breed and multiply which isn't, maybe, the best strategy ever.
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Depends on how they imagine their version of the future to look like.

If what Bannon claimed on Tim Pool's show was true, they are aiming for a pop of 500 million globally and digital immortality in cyborg bodies. If that is true, then decimating the population over a period of several years/decades is absolutely within the realm of reason; people trying to achieve immortality usually have few if any limits they will not break in pursuit of it.
 
Sobek said:
Japan yet again amazing people by their sheer competence at life. Kind of amazing.
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There is a reason I think Japan has a decent chance of helping the West save itself from our own lunacy.
 
Bacle said:


So seems the CATO Institute did a study on cloth masks and found they do almost nothing to slow the Wu Flu.

Turns out cloth masks are just another placebo and farce to try to force compliance with the narrative.
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it's almost like we already knew beforehand that cloth masks and procedure masks don't stop airborne viral spread.

Idk how we are living in a world so crazy where this is even news.
 
Bacle said:


So seems the CATO Institute did a study on cloth masks and found they do almost nothing to slow the Wu Flu.

Turns out cloth masks are just another placebo and farce to try to force compliance with the narrative.
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'Member when the CDC Director said masks would be "...more guaranteed to protect me against Covid than when I take a Covid vaccine.”* (whilst holding one of the cloth masks)
'MEMBER?

*Granted, this comment is kind've funny in an absurdist way when we're on third-booster 'vaccination' going-on forever-boosters...

www.cnbc.com

CDC director says face masks may provide more protection than coronavirus vaccine

"If I don't get an immune response, the vaccine's not going to protect me. This face mask will," CDC Director Robert Redfield told lawmakers Wednesday.
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'Course, that was a half-year after the surgeon general was saying masks didn't have any firm claim to reduce community transmission.
www.foxnews.com

Surgeon general: Data doesn't back up wearing masks in public amid coronavirus pandemic

U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams said on “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday that “the data doesn't show” that wearing masks helps people during the coronavirus pandemic.
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Suppose we should've gone with Jerome Adams and the surgeon general's office instead of Anthony Fauci and the CDC.

Best-case would, of course, have been health authorities and governments not shooting themselves in the foot, calf, kneecap, thigh, and waist with a machine-gun when it came to their credibility and responses to this stuff...And maybe some holding-of-accountable the friendly folks in the PRC who engineered the bloody thing (either literally with virus, probably, or literally with their borked containment...Or even literally with their repeat of wet-market viral breeding-ground bullshit that SARS was supposed to have been the shutdown point for, but God forbid we hold the CCP accountable for anything, that'd hurt profit margins be racist!)
 
Bear Ribs said:
No. A Raman spectrograph can give results in a few seconds. It does not require any special resources beyond a wall socket to plug it in.
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Ok do so then.

This is at least theoretically possible unlike the previous claim, but you're asking us to believe that untold thousands of pharmacists, small-town doctors, every forensics lab in the entire country, every one of them is either in on it or cowed into keeping their mouth shut. Tens of millions of people just in the US, hundreds of millions worldwide. It's patently absurd, no conspiracy has that kind of ridiculous clout. Spectrography is simply not that complex or hard to do, it would be like claiming there's a secret space station and somehow every single amateur astronomer and kid with a telescope on the planet has been cowed into not reporting it.
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Ok, then that explains how Germans overthrew Hitler and stopped the Holocaust... Oh wait...

Well at least the Russians realized the extent of Stalin's, oh wait.


Yes it can and does occur. It takes special people to stand up to the machine and a certain critical mass to gather before the spell can be broken. And the State captured by Totalitarians can wield tremendous state power to cow people and gaslight them. We have ample historical precedence for this.
 
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