China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

Zachowon

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Yeah, and I doubt it will matter at all, or actually lead to an end of the lockdowns and mask mandates in blue states.

Because I've seen videos of 'experts' on CBS who are now saying, in so many words, that the Wuhan Flu should be not be considered a pandemic anymore. Instead it shoukd considered the virus to be endemic to our biome now.

And they may not be wrong either.

Due to the nature of the bug and the situation surrounding the initial outbreak, we will probably never be able to fully eradicate it from human populations, particularly if the rumor about it being spiked with HIV proteins is true.

At best, the Wu Flu vaccine will be added on like the normal flu jabs in people's yearly physicals, till the next bug is unleashed (and China has proven these sorts of attacks work), when this will all start again.

I hope the states which are opening up STAY open if Biden decides he has to shut everything down, due to 'spikes' from those states. However, let's be real, that has no good ending if Fed forces are used to try to force social distancing and mask mandates on 'hot zone' states.

The civil rights that have been cast aside in trying to fight this virus are...unlikely to ever fully return. They've let the mask slip that the lockdowns and other mandates are actually being enforced for what might be 'far-left ecological, social, and power grab' reasons, not public health or safety. We had theraputics to begin win, and wouldn't have needed to lockdown at all if people had politizied the virus for the 2020 election.

The states ending the mask and social distancing mandates might be able to turn the tide, but only time will tell.
Bioweapons are to hard to make and control for this to have been one
 

Bacle

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Bioweapons are to hard to make and control for this to have been one
And if it was a bioweapon it was a pretty terrible one given the bulk of the people infected survived with little side effects
This isn't a 'conventional' bioweapon.

This bug wasn't meant for lethality, it was meant for persistence in the population, and as a trigger for massive social and economic damage in China's foes. It's no coincidence that the bug 'got out' not long after Trump forced China to sign that new trade deal.

It's part of why China used it's leverage with the WHO to spread misinfo about the virus for so long, and why China was the only nation to see growth in 2020.
 

Zachowon

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This isn't a 'conventional' bioweapon.

This bug wasn't meant for lethality, it was meant for persistence in the population, and as a trigger for massive social and economic damage in China's foes. It's no coincidence that the bug 'got out' not long after Trump forced China to sign that new trade deal.

It's part of why China used it's leverage with the WHO to spread misinfo about the virus for so long, and why China was the only nation to see growth in 2020.
It is not a bioweapon.
You want to make them deadly, not this bad at killing.
Because why make a pandemic that kills so little of you can make something that wiped out your enemies?
 

Bacle

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It is not a bioweapon.
You want to make them deadly, not this bad at killing.
Because why make a pandemic that kills so little of you can make something that wiped out your enemies?
Because then your enemies cannot buy your products, like we are still doing with China now.

Lethality is overrated for biowar, unless you are dealing with frontline combat or MAD.

Damaging an enemies economic situation and thier social situation mean China can do a lot for itself fairly easily, while the reaction to thier bioweapon destroys large parts of the American, and the world's, economy and society.

And releasing it during an election year, against an opponent the Dems needed to cheat the election to beat, helped the CCPs allies/stooges/pawns in the Dem party.
 

Zachowon

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Because then your enemies cannot buy your products, like we are still doing with China now.

Lethality is overrated for biowar, unless you are dealing with frontline combat or MAD.

Damaging an enemies economic situation and thier social situation mean China can do a lot for itself fairly easily, while the reaction to thier bioweapon destroys large parts of the American, and the world's, economy and society.

And releasing it during an election year, against an opponent the Dems needed to cheat the election to beat, helped the CCPs allies/stooges/pawns in the Dem party.
Except it caused a lot of hate for China around the world, and the country is already on a near collapse...
They were also badly affected by ot.
You also never release a bioweapon in your own country
 

Bacle

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Except it caused a lot of hate for China around the world, and the country is already on a near collapse...
They were also badly affected by ot.
You also never release a bioweapon in your own country
You are acting like China cares about getting more hate, and don't forget they went to extreme measures to contain the bug in thier own country.

It also acts as a unifier in country, because it lets the CCP (which is already blaming the US for the virus) claim to it's population that the CCP handled the bug better because of its superiority.

They let the bug loose to distract from problems at home, as revenge for the trade deal Trump forced them into, and as a way to weaken thier rivals/foes on the international stage. The bug's reduced lethality, and supposed asymptomatic spread, are designed to cause damage through secondary effects, not via direct lethality.
 

Zachowon

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You are acting like China cares about getting more hate, and don't forget they went to extreme measures to contain the bug in thier own country.

It also acts as a unifier in country, because it lets the CCP (which is already blaming the US for the virus) claim to it's population that the CCP handled the bug better because of its superiority.

They let the bug loose to distract from problems at home, as revenge for the trade deal Trump forced them into, and as a way to weaken thier rivals/foes on the international stage. The bug's reduced lethality, and supposed asymptomatic spread, are designed to cause damage through secondary effects, not via direct lethality.
There is no one able to make such a virus. That kind of bioweaponry or able to make one it far as hell and I doubt even China has that capability.

Also, why weaken then in such a way like it is, when you can just wipe out the enemy and make it seem like it is a natural bug?

You are starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist
 

Bacle

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There is no one able to make such a virus. That kind of bioweaponry or able to make one it far as hell and I doubt even China has that capability.

Also, why weaken then in such a way like it is, when you can just wipe out the enemy and make it seem like it is a natural bug?

You are starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist
From what I saw when all this was starting out, it seems the bug is a bat-flu/semi-normal coronavirus, spiked with HIV proteins to make it persist in the population and make it harder to get rid off completely.

That just requires gain-of-function tests, which aren't that hard for a lab like Wuhan to do.

And they did not want to wipe people out, they wanted their economy and social situations to go to shit, while still buying stuff from China, and allowing China to extract concessions to vaccine shipments.

The CCP wants international subjects and pawns, not nations wiped off the map. Just look at how the NBA bowed to the CCPs demands.

This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is simply connecting the dots that appeared all last year and are still popping up now.

You can call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but consider that maybe you don't want what I have outlined to be true, because of the implications that stem from it.
 

Knowledgeispower

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Given the fact that we consider Bioweapons as WMDs and by doctrine and long standing policy we will respond in kind and China isn't a smoking crater since we only have one type of WMD in service I'd personally say it probably wasn't a bioweapon
 
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Zachowon

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From what I saw when all this was starting out, it seems the bug is a bat-flu/semi-normal coronavirus, spiked with HIV proteins to make it persist in the population and make it harder to get rid off completely.

That just requires gain-of-function tests, which aren't that hard for a lab like Wuhan to do.

And they did not want to wipe people out, they wanted their economy and social situations to go to shit, while still buying stuff from China, and allowing China to extract concessions to vaccine shipments.

The CCP wants international subjects and pawns, not nations wiped off the map. Just look at how the NBA bowed to the CCPs demands.

This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is simply connecting the dots that appeared all last year and are still popping up now.

You can call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but consider that maybe you don't want what I have outlined to be true, because of the implications that stem from it.
One: as knowledge said, bioweapons are WMDs.
And we will retaliate to those.

Two: it is hard to modify such things as is, woth a lot more resources
 

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Except it caused a lot of hate for China around the world, and the country is already on a near collapse...
They were also badly affected by ot.
You also never release a bioweapon in your own country
Who said it was released intentionally within their own borders?

Also notable is that it mainly kills the elderly and other frail individuals. I can't imagine China having a big problem with that.

One: as knowledge said, bioweapons are WMDs.
And we will retaliate to those.
Have you looked at who's in charge lately? Plus, going back to the '90s, I can remember people saying they didn't think the US should retaliate if someone nuked us. And that was in the '90s.
 

Zachowon

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Who said it was released intentionally within their own borders?

Also notable is that it mainly kills the elderly and other frail individuals. I can't imagine China having a big problem with that.


Have you looked at who's in charge lately? Plus, going back to the '90s, I can remember people saying they didn't think the US should retaliate if someone nuked us. And that was in the '90s.
China has a large elderly population. Most Asian countries do.

We will always retaliate. Always
 

Captain X

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China has a large elderly population. Most Asian countries do.
Seems to me there was another discussion on here somewhere about how China would really like to get rid of its elderly population but would have to deal with resistance if it went all Final Solution on them. Seems like this would be a way of getting around that, especially if it never got out that this was a weapon.

We will always retaliate. Always
You are far more optimistic than I am. Especially since our own government, and other Western "liberal" countries have used this pandemic to snatch more power for themselves and to massively curtail civil rights, with their populations largely going right along with it. So it would be in the interest of these governments, including our own, to just go along with it rather than to try to out this as a WMD.
 

Zachowon

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Seems to me there was another discussion on here somewhere about how China would really like to get rid of its elderly population but would have to deal with resistance if it went all Final Solution on them. Seems like this would be a way of getting around that, especially if it never got out that this was a weapon.


You are far more optimistic than I am. Especially since our own government, and other Western "liberal" countries have used this pandemic to snatch more power for themselves and to massively curtail civil rights, with their populations largely going right along with it. So it would be in the interest of these governments, including our own, to just go along with it rather than to try to out this as a WMD.
The military had already said it wasn't a weapon.
If it was we would have retaliated
 

Captain X

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All you're really saying is that the military (and thus, the government) has in interest in saying that it wasn't a weapon, regardless of whether it actually was or not.
 

Bear Ribs

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We will always retaliate. Always
I'm not entirely convinced. The US should, by that policy, also go Ghandi on anyone who used chemical weapons against it but if I saw on the news tomorrow that Syrians hit a military outpost with a gas attack I would be unsurprised when Biden failed to authorize a nuclear strike on Syria, policy or no.
 

Zachowon

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All you're really saying is that the military (and thus, the government) has in interest in saying that it wasn't a weapon, regardless of whether it actually was or not.
The military would deem it a weapon if they say it is.
The military has diffrent goals then th rest of the government
 

Zachowon

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It does....
Almost like the military often does its own investigations because they don't trust civilians or other agencies
 

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