CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Okay, though no thanks(Wait, didn’t that guy also write The Hunt?)
To begin with, I already very much dislike any live action tv shows and movies
It’s 2D for me
CGI is an abomination
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"Woke" Franchises
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Okay, though no thanks(Wait, didn’t that guy also write The Hunt?)
To begin with, I already very much dislike any live action tv shows and movies
It’s 2D for me
CGI is an abomination
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Shipmaster Sane is a very... steadfast individual; I've never known him to be one for debate, beyond brandishing his opinions like a cudgel.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Yup, he could at least admit though that there’s a difference between crap with an audience and crap without one
Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
The basis of capitalism is not that beliefs, standards, judgements and values are arbitrary and subjective, but that needs and desires vary with contextual position.
Slinging trash from the sidelines, eh? You might try that Steadfastness thing some time.
Steven Universe is objectively bad. Bad art, bad story, bad person, bad agendas.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I think they once did an episode wherein a literal safe space was an antagonist though
That said, I think the art has to do with “CalArts” or something
Terthna
Professional Lurker
No thank you; I prefer to be flexible, as opposed to snapping whenever I see someone expressing an opinion I don't like.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Comic industry is imploding.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
I've decide to make a thread for discussing subjectivity versus objectivity, in regards to entertainment; let's not derail this thread any further, and continue things over there, okay?
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
They’re gonna move to Japan en masse
Funimation was just the start
Eventually they’ll get their own cliques in Japan that will bully both otaku and actual creators like mangaka into submission
Only, I think they’ll have plenty of cultural misunderstandings and piss em off
Exactly.
Why exactly would Japanese creators feel particularly bullied or influenced by a bunch of failed Western Comic Book writers?
Nah... they can all go on Deviantart and ArtStation with the rest of us peasants and peddle for Patreon bucks as is more worthy of their talent if not their ambition.
Maybe if they are nice, they can get a Creator forum on The Sietch. 😇
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Exactly.
Why exactly would Japanese creators feel particularly bullied or influenced by a bunch of failed Western Comic Book writers?
Nah... they can all go on Deviantart and ArtStation with the rest of us peasants and peddle for Patreon bucks as is more worthy of their talent if not their ambition.
Maybe if they are nice, they can get a Creator forum on The Sietch. 😇
Because their bosses decided to give em power, also because Like Attracts Like, they’ll go find people among the Japanese who are narcissistic “compassionate” psychopaths like themselves who will use ideaology as a bludgeoning tool
Artstation? Never heard of taht
Don’t insult Deviantartists, they have guys who love T&A more than them and do fine work doing commissions for horny dudes
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
The WOKE hate cigars, no more cigars even in reprints!!!
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I doubt the bottom workers would symphaphise over executives getting their pay cut.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Bottom workers probably have to on occasion deal with the occasional WOKEtivists who get paid better than them who are in the making of entertainment
I think they’d like to see even them get a pay cut
So I'm still pissed at the Harley Quinn butchery that's going on in the cinematic universe.
Harley Quinn has one of the great 'romances' in DC comics, at least as far as story goes. Her relationship with the Joker is abusive as hell, with him never caring about her. Meanwhile, her constantly going back to him is a great storyline because it matches with the reality of abusive relationships while also allowing for reestablishing status quo in-universe. To make the story even better, there is her bestfriend(as of 1993)/love interest (teased as early as 1998) Poison Ivy, who's trying to effect a break up, but it never lasts, always doomed to be destroyed by Harley's self destructive behavior of going back to Joker.
There are a great number of good stories that have been built on this. This dynamic leads to stories that are practically designed for messages progressives would believe in, like how abusive relationships happen, a lesbian romance, a feminist narrative, etc. Any halfway competent writer who wanted to push a woke narrative could have used those, and created a good story.
But somehow, in trying to write this, they first made Joker not the bad guy in Suicide Squad, and have him rescue Harley. The fuck? Oh, let's basically rewrite one of Harley Quinn's defining relationships. It's like a Batman with alive parents. Sure, he might still be called Bruce, but that's a totally different character, and much less interesting.
Then on top of this, in the Birds of Prey movie, they include a ton of random girls, but not, oh, I don't know, Harley's Best friend/love interest? Who was a bird of prey? It's like they are trying to ruin the movie. And her emancipation? Never mentions the Joker. Literally Roman Sionis just should have been the joker. That was the point of that movie, but I guess the predecessor fucked it up.
And the weirdest part is that wokeness isn't the reason for this. Had they written Harley authentically, the story would have been woker, but in a more honest fashion.
Harley Quinn has one of the great 'romances' in DC comics, at least as far as story goes. Her relationship with the Joker is abusive as hell, with him never caring about her. Meanwhile, her constantly going back to him is a great storyline because it matches with the reality of abusive relationships while also allowing for reestablishing status quo in-universe. To make the story even better, there is her bestfriend(as of 1993)/love interest (teased as early as 1998) Poison Ivy, who's trying to effect a break up, but it never lasts, always doomed to be destroyed by Harley's self destructive behavior of going back to Joker.
There are a great number of good stories that have been built on this. This dynamic leads to stories that are practically designed for messages progressives would believe in, like how abusive relationships happen, a lesbian romance, a feminist narrative, etc. Any halfway competent writer who wanted to push a woke narrative could have used those, and created a good story.
But somehow, in trying to write this, they first made Joker not the bad guy in Suicide Squad, and have him rescue Harley. The fuck? Oh, let's basically rewrite one of Harley Quinn's defining relationships. It's like a Batman with alive parents. Sure, he might still be called Bruce, but that's a totally different character, and much less interesting.
Then on top of this, in the Birds of Prey movie, they include a ton of random girls, but not, oh, I don't know, Harley's Best friend/love interest? Who was a bird of prey? It's like they are trying to ruin the movie. And her emancipation? Never mentions the Joker. Literally Roman Sionis just should have been the joker. That was the point of that movie, but I guess the predecessor fucked it up.
And the weirdest part is that wokeness isn't the reason for this. Had they written Harley authentically, the story would have been woker, but in a more honest fashion.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
That's the thing, they COULD do WOKE well
BUT they're not exactly feeling right, they're either angry or feeling smug as hell
So the Harley Quinn animated show makers apparently spent a lot of time talking to Margot Robbie about her Harley Quinn, then specifically designed their Harley Quinn to be nothing like that. More reason the animated is better than the live action.
Must've been quite the slap to her face.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
As if Margot Robbie will even notice or care, cartoons & comics are for kids and stuff
Live Action is where the real fame is at