Lord Sovereign
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I do. Race/Sex swapping is almost always a bad indicator for a film's quality.
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I do. Race/Sex swapping is almost always a bad indicator for a film's quality.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
When the Emperor throws off his disguise and directly takes tha fate of the humanity in his hands.
... But it's not a race swap? All of the people in the book are from different planets, and none of the characters have a defined race (except the Navigators, which are bat-people), from what I recall. The closest is probably the Fremen being vaguely Middle-Eastern.
All that happened was the movie/cover artists arbitrarily assigning races to the characters, because the character needed to be played by someone. As long as the families all have the same race, I don't see the problem. Honestly, you'd think that the Eugenics responsible for Paul Atreides would leave him mixed race (they needed people from multiple planets from what I recall).
I mean, they 'race swapped' Duncan for Jason Momoa, and nobody cares, because it doesn't matter. They're from different planets. There is no race swap.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Someone's going to be selling their IPs eventually.
Morphic Tide
Well-known member
With Dune, the sex-swap is actually quite materially important, because there's a fundamental difference in how the setting's precog works between male and female. At least from what I recall from a wiki binge at least two years ago...
True, but the character in question isn't one of the precogs. They are a scientist and a father (now mother) to Paul's future love/concubine (can't marry for political reasons). They also lead the Fremen and are trying to de-desert the planet thru plants. It's a major figure, but I don't think one with a lot of screentime.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
In other words, this is either just the tip of the iceberg, or they simply decided to pick a character people would care about the least to tokenize. I'm not sure which would be more creatively bankrupt.
Honestly, if they don't make a huge deal about the character, it could just be a creative decision. I have no real problem with reimaging a character as female if it makes sense and isn't stupid pandering. Other than it happening in this time period, the sex swap is showing a lot of the signs of not being stupid. It's a minor character, they aren't blasting the media with the news, etc. This is one I'll wait and see on.
Cyan Saiyajin
Well-known member
Whether you consider it a "proper" swap or not, the fact is casting a previously different race and gender is a sign of modern bad decision making. It wasn't always like that, and it is only a superficial one by itself, but its still become a sign of it. We will see how things pan out.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
The Virgin Star Wars Disney Toys vs the Chad Star Wars Classic Toys.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I wonder just how dense execs can be when they keep hearing the whole diversity sells sort of stuff
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
As dense as businesses who kick out clients who give them money for idealogical reasons.
Uh oh... Someone introduced Joe Rogan to the New New Warriors.
"Her power is eating cake."
Glad Joe made that joke, the chauvinistic cispig!
He really needs to try and get that Diversity & Comics Youtuber on the podcast again.
"Her power is eating cake."
Glad Joe made that joke, the chauvinistic cispig!
He really needs to try and get that Diversity & Comics Youtuber on the podcast again.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
At least we still have the products of glory days of Star Wars game production like KOTOR, Empire at War(and its plethora of good mods), Jedi Outcast, and the original Battlefronts 1 and 2 not to mention all the Star Wars Mods for Sins of a Solar Empire and the Homeworld series. We also got fun games like the Lego Stars series and my personal favorite the Rogue Squadron series ...man I really want a new game in that series.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Be careful what you wish for
@Cherico
Say, you’ve said before that there’s a good chance that your state of California will turn Red in the future
What about all the entertainment producers or guys in said business who do work in California and other areas that are Blue
Could the end of WOKE-ness coincide with a political shift?
Hollywood isn't going to go family values conservative, simply put no one would belive that not even Hollywood. Instead what will happen is that once things crash Hollywood will turn on the SJW community with all knives out. You have to remember MeToo# was a concrete breaking of the deal between Hollywood and activists. Their still angry about that, they still miss their hedonism and they are incredibly resentful that their being forced to do woke shit that loses money.
Theirs a whole lot of resentment anger and even rage in Hollywood about this, their not acting now of course but the people in the know are putting our feelers. Probing to see where they can strike when the time comes Comedians are leading the charge on that front but with plausible deniability.
This is one of the reasons the SJW community fucking screeched about Dave Chapells special they know how fragile their power really is and that their riding a tiger that is getting angier and angier.
Hollywood wont go traditional family values republican, they wont really go right they will go a tepid live let live social libertarianism that brings in money and of course get their revenge.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
@Cherico
If you’ve seen the talks with Senor Hortler who said modern day Conservatives were just Economic-Minded Liberals who happen to be too okay with things like being LGBT
I even said over there that those Economic-Minded Liberals were more deserving of the term “Liberal” than any authoritarian Far Leftist around
Yeah, this Live & Let Live Social Libertanianism alongside more open enjoyment of “hedonism” probably IS the way to money once more
Still, what about the creators who are really into their politics, change or remain really into looking for “Nazis” to punch? Because it may take awhile to see them replaced by new guys
If you’ve seen the talks with Senor Hortler who said modern day Conservatives were just Economic-Minded Liberals who happen to be too okay with things like being LGBT
I even said over there that those Economic-Minded Liberals were more deserving of the term “Liberal” than any authoritarian Far Leftist around
Yeah, this Live & Let Live Social Libertanianism alongside more open enjoyment of “hedonism” probably IS the way to money once more
Still, what about the creators who are really into their politics, change or remain really into looking for “Nazis” to punch? Because it may take awhile to see them replaced by new guys
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
MeToo# was one big nothingburger, they absolutely refused to delve int widespread pedophilia within Hollywood, those stories still get burried by media.
scape goats Carl, their going to be scapegoats.
Were talking about a very loud obnoxious community that you can point to and blame everything on, when the tide turns their the perfect fallguys.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
How long would the “older” ones remain though? I mean I’m pretty sure guys like Neil Gaiman, Stephen King and Patrick Stewart are still worth lots of money