"Woke" Franchises
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Agent23
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Wierding weapons was a stupid idea, but considering the constraints they had to deal with I am sort of inclined to agree.
Some of the visuals in particular were a lot cooler.
Also, Frank Herbert shared your opinion, he was actually quite happy with the results.
The Scifi adaptation was more faithful, but it was too cheap in places to age well, in particular where costumes were concerned.
Skallagrim
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I'm glad to see there are people who like the Lynch film, too. It's different from the book, but it's really awesome in its own right. As I never neglect to mention: SpiceDiver's fan-edit, which cuts together the different versions and re-edits it all into one film, is absolutely worth looking up. I think it's still on YouTube, even. (Yup. and actually upscaled to 4K here.)
I think Villeneuve's film is very spectacular in its own right, and I don't see its alterations as egregiously "woke", although I do consider them superfluous. I don't think @Abhorsen's comments about "keeping the characters apart" really hold up, either, because Villeneuve has often said that he's completely uninterested in meeting audiences half-way on things like that. (And I agree with him: dumbing things down for the masses is, in fact, the final extreme in "wokeness", because "woke" is a defining product of mass-society, produced by the inane bleating of the dumb herd. Never accomodate the stupid!)
Villeneuve's Dune could have worked a lot better if he'd kept every deleted scene. We've gotten a list of things that were cut, and these are all things that would've improved the film. Villeneuve opposes extended cuts, but I hope the studio will ultimately release any deleted scenes separately, so fan-editors can just put them back in....
To be fair, though, Villeneuve is doing it in two parts, and his second film is going to cover stuff that Lynch really skimmed over. So it may well be that once we have Villeneuve's full two-parter, we end up concluding that he did the second half of the book much better.
I think Villeneuve's film is very spectacular in its own right, and I don't see its alterations as egregiously "woke", although I do consider them superfluous. I don't think @Abhorsen's comments about "keeping the characters apart" really hold up, either, because Villeneuve has often said that he's completely uninterested in meeting audiences half-way on things like that. (And I agree with him: dumbing things down for the masses is, in fact, the final extreme in "wokeness", because "woke" is a defining product of mass-society, produced by the inane bleating of the dumb herd. Never accomodate the stupid!)
Villeneuve's Dune could have worked a lot better if he'd kept every deleted scene. We've gotten a list of things that were cut, and these are all things that would've improved the film. Villeneuve opposes extended cuts, but I hope the studio will ultimately release any deleted scenes separately, so fan-editors can just put them back in....
To be fair, though, Villeneuve is doing it in two parts, and his second film is going to cover stuff that Lynch really skimmed over. So it may well be that once we have Villeneuve's full two-parter, we end up concluding that he did the second half of the book much better.
Cyan Saiyajin
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You seem to be making a lot of assumptions here. The wiki actually grosses over that entire period of Ivy's existence in the comics. So I'll try to see what happened post-crisis. Pre-crisis is a fair bet given the one story I saw of her.
Also discovered their was a story when Ivy was seducing and feeding both men and women to one of her plants. Called it her guilty pleasure so its fair to say she's been shown to be generally misanthropic as well.
Bear Ribs
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I recall reading one batman comic (at the end of an omnibus) where she told Harley she "Liked getting her fern misted" wink wink during a discussion on sex, and then went on a kissing spree after betting Harley a dollar she could kiss every male in Arkham.
She lost because the Joker was being brought in right at that moment, and Scarface used ventriloquism to make it sound like Joker was professing his undying love for Harley while Ivy was puckering up, and she couldn't bring herself to NTR Harley.
She lost because the Joker was being brought in right at that moment, and Scarface used ventriloquism to make it sound like Joker was professing his undying love for Harley while Ivy was puckering up, and she couldn't bring herself to NTR Harley.
Speaking of that the newest installment that has came out is hot garbage, it was a disaster and a mixed bag of politicization that I couldn't figure out if the film was really in favor or against.Dead By Daylight has removed cosmetic features from one of their killers, Leatherface, of Texas Chainsaw Massacre fame. Apparently, there were complaints about how Leatherface, who wears faces, could remove the faces of Black people to wear... which is highly offensive to some people.
Because it'd be Blackface and was used to harm gamers.
No comment yet on the cannibalism or murdering.
Keeping in mind this feature had been in the game since 2017 apparently.
Dead By Daylight Removes Ability For Texas Chainsaw Massacre’s Leatherface To Wear Victim’s Faces Following Complaints Of Blackface Harassment
Dead By Daylight will be removing the ability for The Texas Chainsaw Massacre’s Leatherface to wear the faces of his victims.boundingintocomics.com
To further explain I will have to delve into spoilers but trust me you will be missing out on nothing but cringe by doing so as their is a reason Angry Joe gave in a 3/10!
But anyway, here is my review of the political aspects of the film.
To start let's summarize the good. The props and locations are phenomenal, the cinematography is also great and the gore and kills are pretty bloody...that's it...
Okay, now onto why this film is full of jackass and dumb decisions to the point I question if the characters the actors are supposed to play aren't supposed to be darwin award winners.
(And I won't be summarizing the complete film here only the dumb politicized parts with context.)
The film starts with four millennials driving a Tesla car through rural Texas when they stop at a gas station for I assume snacks because there is no charging station in sight. (How the hell they driving hours away from civilization and back on a single charge anyway?)
They have plans to gentrify a small Texas town for people like themselves fleeing the cities and already have investors lined up for the project as well as having bought up deeds for almost all of main street.
As they are standing around at the pumps a red dodge diesel drives up and a fairly normal country fellow steps out of the truck and they see to their shock!
The guy has a gun in rural Texas can you believe that?! Two of the protagonists make a not so covert comment about how one he's overcompensating for something by carrying and the guy overhears.
It's at this point I can say that I can safely say these people are pricks, this guy's only crime was pumping gas and they literally straight up insult him rudely.
The guy to his credit, keeps his cool and calmy responds that it's useful for killing wild hogs as an invasive species with the implication that they might as well be such a species themselves to imply how ticked off he is that they were so rude.
The main protagonist who was silent during the whole ordeal has a flashback of a school shooting and we see a bullet wound on her and we won't be allowed to forget about it before we return to her and see her looking at her SM page filled with gun control media.
Now to be fair if it was her who initially raised hell over the issue of the gun, I would be more forgiving as she went through a traumatic experience, but her friends where the one who decided to be jerks to a guy they just met.
These pricks then proceed to continue onward only to be passed on the road by the guy before being again stopped by police who want to safely escort them into town.
Well, they get to town and immediately start sizing up the place which is largely abandoned and start discussing their plans to open a cafe, art museum and a whole host of other big city gentrification ideas to bring in millennials to repopulate the town.
Suprise, Suprise the truck guy they insulted emerges from a shop and it turns out he's their contractor for renovating the town. (Geez I am sure he won't drag out the project or overcharge thanks to your d*ck move insulting him earlier.)
The only African American among them who's name is Dante see's a confederate flag on a nearby building and goes to take it down to avoid p*ssing off their millennial investors who will soon be visiting by a bus later.
Long story short the building is occupied by an old woman on oxygen and her 'Son' who is actually Leatherface who has been in retirement under her care for years.
They foolishly bring in the cops to evict her despite her claiming she has the deed and it was a misunderstanding and she hyperventilates and ends up dying which sets off Leatherface's next killing spree.
Later it is discovered that the millennials were mistaken, and they had never bought the property and it was in fact her meaning they inadvertently killed her.
The only other scene of note involving modern cultural/political issues before the killing spree is when the school shooting survivor talks to the contractor/texan and ask him why he is such a nihilist for modifying his truck to 'roll coal'
The other is hilariously cringe is when Leatherface boards a buss of the millennial investors/influencers who haven't once attempted to leave town despite the murder spree going on and threaten to quote on quote
So the entire movie is a crap storm and if you love seeing woke idiots being massacred for doing dumb shit while trying to maintain some 'moral' superiority this is for you.
Okay, now onto why this film is full of jackass and dumb decisions to the point I question if the characters the actors are supposed to play aren't supposed to be darwin award winners.
(And I won't be summarizing the complete film here only the dumb politicized parts with context.)
The film starts with four millennials driving a Tesla car through rural Texas when they stop at a gas station for I assume snacks because there is no charging station in sight. (How the hell they driving hours away from civilization and back on a single charge anyway?)
They have plans to gentrify a small Texas town for people like themselves fleeing the cities and already have investors lined up for the project as well as having bought up deeds for almost all of main street.
As they are standing around at the pumps a red dodge diesel drives up and a fairly normal country fellow steps out of the truck and they see to their shock!
The guy has a gun in rural Texas can you believe that?! Two of the protagonists make a not so covert comment about how one he's overcompensating for something by carrying and the guy overhears.
It's at this point I can say that I can safely say these people are pricks, this guy's only crime was pumping gas and they literally straight up insult him rudely.
The guy to his credit, keeps his cool and calmy responds that it's useful for killing wild hogs as an invasive species with the implication that they might as well be such a species themselves to imply how ticked off he is that they were so rude.
The main protagonist who was silent during the whole ordeal has a flashback of a school shooting and we see a bullet wound on her and we won't be allowed to forget about it before we return to her and see her looking at her SM page filled with gun control media.
Now to be fair if it was her who initially raised hell over the issue of the gun, I would be more forgiving as she went through a traumatic experience, but her friends where the one who decided to be jerks to a guy they just met.
These pricks then proceed to continue onward only to be passed on the road by the guy before being again stopped by police who want to safely escort them into town.
Well, they get to town and immediately start sizing up the place which is largely abandoned and start discussing their plans to open a cafe, art museum and a whole host of other big city gentrification ideas to bring in millennials to repopulate the town.
Suprise, Suprise the truck guy they insulted emerges from a shop and it turns out he's their contractor for renovating the town. (Geez I am sure he won't drag out the project or overcharge thanks to your d*ck move insulting him earlier.)
The only African American among them who's name is Dante see's a confederate flag on a nearby building and goes to take it down to avoid p*ssing off their millennial investors who will soon be visiting by a bus later.
Long story short the building is occupied by an old woman on oxygen and her 'Son' who is actually Leatherface who has been in retirement under her care for years.
They foolishly bring in the cops to evict her despite her claiming she has the deed and it was a misunderstanding and she hyperventilates and ends up dying which sets off Leatherface's next killing spree.
Later it is discovered that the millennials were mistaken, and they had never bought the property and it was in fact her meaning they inadvertently killed her.
The only other scene of note involving modern cultural/political issues before the killing spree is when the school shooting survivor talks to the contractor/texan and ask him why he is such a nihilist for modifying his truck to 'roll coal'
The other is hilariously cringe is when Leatherface boards a buss of the millennial investors/influencers who haven't once attempted to leave town despite the murder spree going on and threaten to quote on quote
So the entire movie is a crap storm and if you love seeing woke idiots being massacred for doing dumb shit while trying to maintain some 'moral' superiority this is for you.
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You gotta love how Leatherface managed to tag one final kill because the two survivors were too retarded and lazy to drive their on their own. Instead they used auto-pilot and drove at "steep walking" pace. Frankly they deserved the deaths and trauma.
As an aside, I want to know what happens after the movie. Obviously there's only one witness plus the livestreams of the massacre, and Leatherface is probably long gone by the time the cops find the town.
As an aside, I want to know what happens after the movie. Obviously there's only one witness plus the livestreams of the massacre, and Leatherface is probably long gone by the time the cops find the town.
TheRejectionist
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So well Star Trek never meant to me but this happened.
Ash's Boomstick
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Would you consider this film then to be a strike back at the current mentality of certain groups and a 'screw you' to others?
The movie wasn't very good but I wouldn't say it's particularly Woke. I feel it was generally critical of modern social media and influencer and gentrification culture. The local Handyman character was actually rather likable and sympathetic.
And the group of influencers was annoying. I actually didn't mind the main protagonist. Had a bit of character development. Only one that really did. Her interaction with the Mechanic/Handyman guy was actually an unexpectedly nice scene.
I am also pleased there was an actual chainsaw massacre in this film unlike the previous films. It was the best. Arthouse level quality. *Chefs kiss* 👌
Agent23
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Lynch thought that the reason why his movie did so poorly was because he didn't have final cut, btw.
Dunno, but I'd love for a sequel of Leatherface in San Francisco or where from wherever that vermin slithered into Texas just ripping hipsters, sjwtards, and wannabe gangstas up with his trusty chainsaw.
49ersfootball
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I could think of some TV Shows that got too woke for Middle America 🤔
RichardClock
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Can't blame lynch or villeneuve, hard to transform shit into art.
Dune was always a bad shonen.
Dune was always a bad shonen.
Agent23
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Jaenera Targaryen
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That's hardly fair, as adaptations will always be a shadow of the original material.
That said, I prefer the TV series produced by the Sci-Fi channel. I mean, sure, Dune was rather...eccentric, when it came to costume design, but Ian McNiece nailed the Baron flat, especially with just that right amount of Shakespearean flair. And Children of Dune fixed the questionable costumes, while giving the whole show that...Biblical feel that seems to just fit the rise of the God-Emperor.
And of course, somehow intimating to the audience without words the sheer tragedy Leto II is setting himself up for by becoming the God-Emperor, all to save Humanity by starting the Golden Path.
Not to mention shirtless goodness courtesy of James McAvoy
Agent23
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Dune is a genius, deep science fiction epic with a lot of complex phylosophy and discussions on things like religion, power and following a charismatic leader being a bad idea, read it and understand it before you bitch about it.
Well, on the one hand the Lynch version was pretty weird with all of the S&M themed stuff, but IMHO that made it distinctive and interesting in my book.That's hardly fair, as adaptations will always be a shadow of the original material.
That said, I prefer the TV series produced by the Sci-Fi channel. I mean, sure, Dune was rather...eccentric, when it came to costume design, but Ian McNiece nailed the Baron flat, especially with just that right amount of Shakespearean flair. And Children of Dune fixed the questionable costumes, while giving the whole show that...Biblical feel that seems to just fit the rise of the God-Emperor.
And of course, somehow intimating to the audience without words the sheer tragedy Leto II is setting himself up for by becoming the God-Emperor, all to save Humanity by starting the Golden Path.
Not to mention shirtless goodness courtesy of James McAvoy
The aesthetics were pretty good at pushing just how evil and morally degenerate the Harkonens were, and how the Dune future was distant and very far from the shiny, enlightened science fiction franchises like Star Trek.
The SciFi stuff was a more fateful adaptation, sure, but it felt kinda slow and cheap and childish in places.
What Lynch Dune needed was a longer adaptation, maybe 3 2.5 - 3 hour films so as to fit all of the ideas in.