"Woke" Franchises

SoliFortissimi said:
It's called inflation. The market is oversaturated because they're creating more supply than there is demand.

There's nothing special about a girl who can fight anymore.
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That certainly explains the proliferation of them, and why they don't seem as cool anymore, but it sadly doesn't explain why they are objectively worse characters anymore. They have worse character arcs now. They have more abrasive personalities now. I think that can only be explained by intersectionality infiltrating into writers departments.
 
Number3124 said:
but it sadly doesn't explain why they are objectively worse characters anymore
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The same as happens to all previously good products when supply beats demand. They start becoming more shoddy because profit margins are sinking and the company doesn't care about QA anymore. They're sure it'll sell, so they become complacent and sloppy.

And then the product slowly starts becoming worse, customers start catching on to it, and demand starts dropping.

Supply takes some time to catch on, because the suits will blame everything else (including the customers) before they accept that their product just isn't good anymore. Because they really shouldn't have become complacent and cheap.

And then the supply is pulled back to correspond with demand.
 
SoliFortissimi said:
The same as happens to all previously good products when supply beats demand. They start becoming more shoddy because profit margins are sinking and the company doesn't care about QA anymore. They're sure it'll sell, so they become complacent and sloppy.

And then the product slowly starts becoming worse, customers start catching on to it, and demand starts dropping.

Supply takes some time to catch on, because the suits will blame everything else (including the customers) before they accept that their product just isn't good anymore. Because they really shouldn't have become complacent and cheap.

And then the supply is pulled back to correspond with demand.
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That is quite optimistic, and I hope you're right.
 
Vyor said:
I forgot it was in there.

On the other hand, what type of autistic fucks actually go to page 1040?

Aside from, you know, people that post on scifi debate forums.
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Well, I've probably read the books about fifteen times or so in my adult life. As for knowing the page number, I was recently looking up the story of Helm Hammerhand and the Dunlanding invasion of Rohan to a friend in discord. I happened to get lucky and open my copy of The Return of the King exactly to that page.
 
To be frank unlike with Rings of Power I actually like what I saw from the roheriem trailer my mood on it didn't really sour on it till I started watching YouTube videos on it. Sane thing happened with rise of the teenage mutant Ninja turtles and I ended up having a blast with that movie once I actually bit the bullet and judged for myself.
 
Number3124 said:
Well, I've probably read the books about fifteen times or so in my adult life. As for knowing the page number, I was recently looking up the story of Helm Hammerhand and the Dunlanding invasion of Rohan to a friend in discord. I happened to get lucky and open my copy of The Return of the King exactly to that page.
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My point!
 
Number3124 said:
We don't know enough to say if she married Fréaláf Hildeson, tenth King of Rohan, and first King of the Second Line. We know that the rest of her family died during the war in combat with the Dunlandings. In context, I suspect that Fréaláf's wife may have been Gondorian given that Beren, Steward of Gondor was at Fréaláf's coronation, and there is precedent for a marriage between the House of Eorl. Éomer married Lothíriel, daughter of Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth after the War of the Ring. His own grandmother, Morwen, Queen of Thengel, was of Numenorien descent, likely of the line of Prince Imrahil as well.

All that being said, a marriage between cousins of royal blood is not uncommon. Given that Fréaláf is the first of the Second Line of Kings he may marry Helm's unnamed daughter to strengthen his claim. I think the first is more likely, but it is still a possibility.



No really. It's in Appendix A of The Return of the King if I'm not mistaken. Page in and around 1040 in my edition.



You know, ten or fifteen years ago, I wouldn't have minded this at all. Before the proliferation of the Girl Boss tropes Action Women were dope as fuck. The Major. Trinity. The Bride. Jackie Brown. They're all good. Even if they're somewhat fabricated for an adapted story I didn't mind because they were well written and fit the story.

Now they're like toumors taking over the host story.
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It's mostly because in prior heroine films, we see character development which makes them a badass over the course of a story or film. Even when characters are tough or no nonsense from the get-go, like Ripley in the original Alien, had character development which had this as an end result [Alien and Aliens are good examples of this].

Sarah Connor in Terminators 1 and 2 is a perfect example.

Amanda in Alien: Isolation is another. She's strong and capable, but she's not a Girl Boss. Hell, she fucks up half the time trying to do the right thing, haha.

Even in Prey we see Girl Boss Bullshit in action: The lead character, a woman, is a "strung, independant wamen" from the get-go. She doesn't start as, for example, a hardened but ordinary Native American girl that sees the slaughter of her people/loved ones by the Predator [the incident which propels her development as a character], develops toughness and skills over the course of the film, to ultimately triumph over said Predator and becoming the leader of her tribe [the reward/payoff].
 
I don't think this Girlboss trend would be quite as obnoxious if pop culture wasn't oversaturated with it. Imagine a media sphere where Rey had her own separate series, instead of taking over the "main" SW story. Would any of us have cared? I don't think so. The movies would still flop just like Acolyte did, but they wouldn't have created Gamergate 2.

The supply has surpassed demand half a decade ago. Nobody cared when it was Toph or Buffy emasculating men, because the trend was still novel back then. But now when male fans legit see the same thing happening in every major medium, from videogames to cartoons to films, they start to get really sick of it. And more importantly, just a little unnerved.
 
SoliFortissimi said:
The supply has surpassed demand half a decade ago. Nobody cared when it was Toph or Buffy emasculating men, because the trend was still novel back then. But now when male fans legit see the same thing happening in every major medium, from videogames to cartoons to films, they start to get really sick of it. And more importantly, just a little unnerved.
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Those are not the best examples. Toph is a fully realized character with some massive flaws and fails. She get guidance from others and accepts it even if she grumbles along the way. She also is not a loner doing it all herself.

Buffy it depends on the seasons bit she definitely fails a lot and has characters flaws to go around.

The things look at movies like Oceans 8. No of the characters have flaws like Tophs ego bringing down a bounty hunter on a group and I could never see a single character in that movie having a scene like when Toph has tea with Iroh or any of the later seasons interactions with Zuko.


What happened is that woke authors used past examples of good characters like Toph or Riley to then pitch crap like Ghostbusters 2016. Hollywood upper management already was half way there snice being far left in Hollywood is the nrom. So they just needed a small push to green light the mess of girl Boss and strong women stuff the last decade or so.
 
Jormungandr said:
So, Concord is dead.

One hundred million and years of development, only to sell just 25000 copies worldwide and the servers only being online for two weeks. :ROFLMAO:
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I never even heard of this game or that other one... "Dustborne?" until I heard that they failed and were apparently very costly... even in marketing... somehow. Kinda weird to be honest. I must've read about them but it probably just got lost in the noise...
 
Husky_Khan said:
I never even heard of this game or that other one... "Dustborne?" until I heard that they failed and were apparently very costly... even in marketing... somehow. Kinda weird to be honest. I must've read about them but it probably just got lost in the noise...
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It was a very woke, very generic pvp shooter.

Dustborn is pretty much dying, too. I love seeing woke die.
 
Husky_Khan said:
New Minecraft movie announced to be released in 2025 sometime.

nichegamer.com

Minecraft Movie reveals April 2025 premiere and first teaser trailer

Warner Bros. Pictures has shared a premiere date and the first look at their long-awaited Minecraft Movie, the live-action adaptation of Mojang's popular sandbox game. Simply titled A Minecraft Movie…
nichegamer.com nichegamer.com

Maybe it's just weird, not woke. Jury still out.
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Trailer's shit, don't know why they didn't do like the Lego Movie and fully lean into the Minecraft aesthetic instead of this blocky realism+Pixar hybrid.

Also, based on the trailer, the story looks like a Jumanji ripoff. If they really wanted to do a Minecraft isekai they should've just adapted the Minecraft: The Island kids novel. Its about a normal human dude who gets stuck on a Minecraft island (he has no knowledge of Minecraft at all) and he slowly goes insane trying to figure out the physics of the Minecraft world. The author based it off of his own experience trying out tge game for the first time. Pretty good for the type of kids novel it is, and I always recommend it to kids who want to read a Minecraft book. Funnily enough, Jack Black did the audio book reading of Minecraft: The Island, so it really would have been the better basis for a movie.
 
Apparently, one of (if not the) biggest supporters and financiers of Wokism (while also banning it outright in their own country) in the entertainment industry is the Chinese government; they spend trillions of dollars on it so that they can come in with stuff like Black Myth Wukong, supplant everyone else with superior non-Woke products, buy up all the failing non-Chinese companies and cement themselves as the exporter of culture worldwide.



It's honestly quite diabolical, and seems to be working for them so far.
 
Terthna said:
pparently, one of (if not the) biggest supporters and financiers of Wokism (while also banning it outright in their own country) in the entertainment industry is the Chinese government; they spend trillions of dollars on it so that they can come in with stuff like Black Myth Wukong, supplant everyone else with superior non-Woke products, buy up all the failing non-Chinese companies and cement themselves as the exporter of culture worldwide.
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Don't do it. Don't make me admire the CCP. I know it's not true, because the CCP never makes smart decisions.

I think it's just that the executives want to cut costs by hiring the cheapest writers possible. And the cheapest writers are inevitably the most annoying social media stereotypes who are too inundated in social media discourse to know what real people respond to, or the idea that they actually have to sell the product.

So basically, the Boeing situation where cutting too many costs leads to disaster.
 
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