"Woke" Franchises

Captain X

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Having heard a summary of the beginning of the "Iron Heart" comic, I find myself amused because I think I could have done a better job of this example of a "diverse" character replacing an already established character. Part of this is inspired by my own background, the name of the comic book, and just my own bemusement that these leftists completely forget Natives exist unless it's to try to use us as a cudgel against white people (something unfortunately many Natives seem perfectly fine with).

That being said, I'd end up borrowing heavily from what the woke comic did, in that the main character would be an ostracized nerd character who, for whatever reason, greatly admires Tony Stark and his Iron Man suit. The reservation is not kind to him. On the reservations I lived on, the youth had adopted ghetto culture and do their best to emulate the inner city gangs, so that would be the case here, too. But he does have a friend, a fellow nerd and outcast. The only other really sympathetic person to him is a tribal elder who is also a relative to him. His father is a thief who got caught and is in state prison. His mother is away working at a Stark Industries factory of some kind, so he is living with his grandmother to go to school, and she mainly wishes he was normal, but leaves him to tinker in their basement and doesn't really do much aside from give him shit from time to time over not having a girlfriend and for liking the stuff he does, and hanging out with the friend that he has.

He does get out to visit his mother from time to time, though, which is how he ends up having access to the tech he needs to build a mini-reactor like what powers the Iron Man suit in his basement. This is based a bit on that kid that managed to build a nuclear reactor in his back yard, along with his own version of the Iron Man suit, though it is based more on the first one Tony built when he'd been kidnapped since he doesn't have access to fancy computers and the like to make his own true suit.

At some point, though, the bullies who have beat him up occasionally have gotten more violent and now bring weapons into it. His friend tries to help him and is killed as a result. He himself is only saved thanks to the police turning up just then, but he gets the feeling that the police won't really do anything since they tend not to do much anyway. So hot-headed as he is, he decides to take matters into his own hands, and puts on his version of the Iron Man suit, and goes on a rampage to get revenge for his friend. The police show up to stop him before he can kill any of them, though. He's pretty incensed by it, and tells the police, so, since they never seem to stop any of the gangster types from doing anything, but as soon as someone else does something to fight back, they show up and treat him like a criminal, which even includes one of them shooting at him. As you might expect, he gets a bit mad and ends up taking it out on a couple of squad cars. He is stopped because he ends up damaging his suit, and while the police seem to go nuts themselves to try and get him out of it, they are stopped by the arrival of more people who were drawn by the disturbance, including that tribal elder, who gets them to stop.

He ends up in jail over this, of course, his grandmother kicks him out of her house, and his mother is angry at him for seeming to follow in his father's footsteps. As his antics involved an Iron Man suit and a reactor he built himself, the Feds get involved, and this also draws the attention of Tony Stark, who is impressed at the teen's intelligence and abilities, and takes some sympathy with him.

Skipping ahead a bit, he ends up out of jail and out of trouble due to Tony's influence (and he isn't quite sure how to feel about that), with part of the deal being that he will be working for Tony to pay off the stuff he stole to make his reactor. Due to falling out with what's left of his family, he both rejects and is rejected by his family. Before he leaves the reservation, though, he is visited by the tribal elder who gives him a new name (something that is really not done anymore) which he then uses from then on as his surname - Iron Heart.

And that's about as far as I've gotten on that scenario.

I'm kind of curious what other people think of that.
 

Terthna

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Having heard a summary of the beginning of the "Iron Heart" comic, I find myself amused because I think I could have done a better job of this example of a "diverse" character replacing an already established character. Part of this is inspired by my own background, the name of the comic book, and just my own bemusement that these leftists completely forget Natives exist unless it's to try to use us as a cudgel against white people (something unfortunately many Natives seem perfectly fine with).

That being said, I'd end up borrowing heavily from what the woke comic did, in that the main character would be an ostracized nerd character who, for whatever reason, greatly admires Tony Stark and his Iron Man suit. The reservation is not kind to him. On the reservations I lived on, the youth had adopted ghetto culture and do their best to emulate the inner city gangs, so that would be the case here, too. But he does have a friend, a fellow nerd and outcast. The only other really sympathetic person to him is a tribal elder who is also a relative to him. His father is a thief who got caught and is in state prison. His mother is away working at a Stark Industries factory of some kind, so he is living with his grandmother to go to school, and she mainly wishes he was normal, but leaves him to tinker in their basement and doesn't really do much aside from give him shit from time to time over not having a girlfriend and for liking the stuff he does, and hanging out with the friend that he has.

He does get out to visit his mother from time to time, though, which is how he ends up having access to the tech he needs to build a mini-reactor like what powers the Iron Man suit in his basement. This is based a bit on that kid that managed to build a nuclear reactor in his back yard, along with his own version of the Iron Man suit, though it is based more on the first one Tony built when he'd been kidnapped since he doesn't have access to fancy computers and the like to make his own true suit.

At some point, though, the bullies who have beat him up occasionally have gotten more violent and now bring weapons into it. His friend tries to help him and is killed as a result. He himself is only saved thanks to the police turning up just then, but he gets the feeling that the police won't really do anything since they tend not to do much anyway. So hot-headed as he is, he decides to take matters into his own hands, and puts on his version of the Iron Man suit, and goes on a rampage to get revenge for his friend. The police show up to stop him before he can kill any of them, though. He's pretty incensed by it, and tells the police, so, since they never seem to stop any of the gangster types from doing anything, but as soon as someone else does something to fight back, they show up and treat him like a criminal, which even includes one of them shooting at him. As you might expect, he gets a bit mad and ends up taking it out on a couple of squad cars. He is stopped because he ends up damaging his suit, and while the police seem to go nuts themselves to try and get him out of it, they are stopped by the arrival of more people who were drawn by the disturbance, including that tribal elder, who gets them to stop.

He ends up in jail over this, of course, his grandmother kicks him out of her house, and his mother is angry at him for seeming to follow in his father's footsteps. As his antics involved an Iron Man suit and a reactor he built himself, the Feds get involved, and this also draws the attention of Tony Stark, who is impressed at the teen's intelligence and abilities, and takes some sympathy with him.

Skipping ahead a bit, he ends up out of jail and out of trouble due to Tony's influence (and he isn't quite sure how to feel about that), with part of the deal being that he will be working for Tony to pay off the stuff he stole to make his reactor. Due to falling out with what's left of his family, he both rejects and is rejected by his family. Before he leaves the reservation, though, he is visited by the tribal elder who gives him a new name (something that is really not done anymore) which he then uses from then on as his surname - Iron Heart.

And that's about as far as I've gotten on that scenario.

I'm kind of curious what other people think of that.
Well I'm interested. There's a lot of directions you could go in with a character like that, and a great deal of pathos you could explore. I'm almost certain he'd end up falling out with Stark too eventually though; assuming it's the post-Civil War version.
 

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Argent

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In the newest game of blame the audience you are now hate the gays if you do not go see the new rom-com Bros.




Lets just forget the fact that Rom-coms tend to be a date night movie picked more often by the girl who wants some girl like her to get the hot guy. For all the talk about people wanting to be represented they sure are quick to forget the plot of most Rom-com is normal girl gets the Prince for a reason.

Next is that the movie had no star power. Bros does not have the advantage of being part of a larger universe. So people are less drawn to it begin with.

Lastly is that movie was pushed as groundbreaking by use mainly LGBT cast and crew. That this movie was historic for being the frist major studio gay Rom-com. This comes with two problems. Frist most people don't care and are not going to waste 100 dollars to see something a flim studio says is historic. Next is that focus means that ads did not promote plot hooks to draw in an audience.


But no the reason your movie is failing is that most of the country just hates the gays...
 

Argent

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Eichner is already well established as an hater of all things related to Trump. He's angrily insulted anyone and everyone that ever associated of voted for Trump. So...there goes at least half the population. The other 49% just don't want to see "bros" kissing.

Did not know that but doesn't surpise me.

It also did not help that Horror movie season is upon us so movies like Simle are going to dominate for the next month.
 

Culsu

Agent of the Central Plasma
Founder
Looking at all the videos about Rings of Power I can't help but feel that right now Jeff Bezos must feel like Emperor Augustus of legend, waking up at night yelling "Salke, Salke, where are my millions?!" * **

Because, honestly, how can something so expensive look and feel so cheap, small, and plain bad?

Even leaving aside the shitty plot and weak characters, this is supposed to be a LotR IP! Where's the world building? There's nothing. Nothing! How was this greenlit?! A series this expensive, with such an important IP should have had the pick of the best of the best in all categories. But all we get is school play amateur hour stuff!

* Jennifer Salke is Amazon Studios' CEO
** Augustus was said to wake up at night after Teutoburg, yelling "Varus, Varus, where are my legions!?"
 
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Husky_Khan

The Dog Whistler... I mean Whisperer.
Founder
Man give me a billion dollars Bezos. My fanfiction will combine your two most powerful franchises, Lord of the Rings and The Terminal List in a thrilling Isekai Revenge tale. James Reece is a former NAVY SEAL Commander who just wanted to settle down in his new home in Mexico when he receives a mysterious package... Post dated from his deceased daughter. Inside is a picture of her with her babysitter holding a mysterious black orb.

He tracks down the babysitter to an illegal cartel factory deep in Mexico and learns two shocking things, the orb is called a Palantir and the Babysitter she rescued isn't even Human. She's an Elf, enslaved because she can work harder, better and more tirelessly then any Human. As the conspiracy deepens and bodies pile up, Commander Reece realizes he'll have to add an Appendix to his Terminal List... And go to this *Middle Earth* himself to clear it.
 

Skallagrim

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Honestly, a serious western take of the isekai genre could be interesting. To bad Hollywood would never be able to pull off the character writing and world building necessary for such an idea to be successful.
Fantasy used to be full of this kind of thing, you know. Stuff like Three Hearts and Three Lions and The Fionavar Tapestry, you know. Also, you may have heard of Alice in Wonderland? The Wizard of Oz? ...Narnia?
 

Ixian

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Fantasy used to be full of this kind of thing, you know. Stuff like Three Hearts and Three Lions and The Fionavar Tapestry, you know. Also, you may have heard of Alice in Wonderland? The Wizard of Oz? ...Narnia?

Those are more traditional "portal fantasy" which in fairness heavily overlaps with Isekai. There are some differences, mainly involving theme and style.
 

Skallagrim

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Those are more traditional "portal fantasy" which in fairness heavily overlaps with Isekai. There are some differences, mainly involving theme and style.
Yes, those differences are probably because the isekai thing is Japanese. A Western equivalent will be different, and is different-- because it already exists. What I know about isekai stuff suggests to me that all too often, it's a wish fulfilment fantasy, starring a Badass Normal author avatar. This also exists in the West, although it's traditionally seen in the time travel genre: modern person is a Super Genius in the past, who can do anything with modern science. But that's been refuted all the way to hell, so it's kind of a dead trope.

But the point is: a "Western take" on the isekai genre already exists. Or rather: a Western take on the same principle. I agree that Hollywood couldn't do any of that justice, but it's not like the Japanese have invented something original or unique here.
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
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Yes, those differences are probably because the isekai thing is Japanese. A Western equivalent will be different, and is different-- because it already exists. What I know about isekai stuff suggests to me that all too often, it's a wish fulfilment fantasy, starring a Badass Normal author avatar. This also exists in the West, although it's traditionally seen in the time travel genre: modern person is a Super Genius in the past, who can do anything with modern science. But that's been refuted all the way to hell, so it's kind of a dead trope.

But the point is: a "Western take" on the isekai genre already exists. Or rather: a Western take on the same principle. I agree that Hollywood couldn't do any of that justice, but it's not like the Japanese have invented something original or unique here.
They just modernized it and, outside of a few classics, did it better.

Russia did an entire film from an FPS viewpoint -- I can't remember its name, but the guy goes full on Doomslayer on a bunch of gangsters, his corrupt girlfriend who pushed him into this, and a bunch of corporate jackasses who were run by/in league with the girlfriend.

It had some banging scenes in it. I can't imagine Hollywood having the guts to try anything like that, outside of the FPS sequence in Doom, and that was in 2005.
 

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