What's your view on Yuri?

[Shipmaster Sane]

I was bringing up my ex as she is Pan and will be with either sex.

As for military, you are wrong. Since I have been in, the amount if females I have met that have had kids os low. Out of every female in my platoon, only one has been pregnant recently.


Eh Korrasami were the fandoms dream because "REPRESENTATION!". They did not fuck mem after, and really had no reason to not be with men out of good reasoms

Pansexual is even faker than lesbianism. There are only two genders so the prefix "pan" is meaningless nonsense.


I love how you flatly say "you are wrong in the general case because of one platoon" and even that platoon had a comfort woman who knocked herself up. You even had to add "Recently"! RECENTLY! "Hey! Women in the military aren't constantly getting pregnant! Right now theres only one pregnant in my platoon!" I died laughing, I thought you might have been being ironic for a moment there, do you understand how that sounds?

"I am personally offended by this skit and it's implication that lumberjacks crossdress, in fact I have several friends who are lumberjacks, and only a few of them are transvestites"

Korrasami was the fandom's dream because "yasss muh represent every girl lesbian" etc etc, but I find it extremely ironic that they (the writers and the fans) gravitated towards an incredibly toxic, abusive pairing of "bisexuals" as the poster children for their lesbian fantasies.
Because thats incredibly accurate to reality.

 

[FriedCFour]

I was bringing up my ex as she is Pan and will be with either sex.

> Pan
> Fine with either sex

You see the problem with this statement right?

 

[Zachowon]

Pansexual is even faker than lesbianism. There are only two genders so the prefix "pan" is meaningless nonsense.


I love how you flatly say "you are wrong in the general case because of one platoon" and even that platoon had a comfort woman who knocked herself up. You even had to add "Recently"! RECENTLY! "Hey! Women in the military aren't constantly getting pregnant! Right now theres only one pregnant in my platoon!" I died laughing, I thought you might have been being ironic for a moment there, do you understand how that sounds?

"I am personally offended by this skit and it's implication that lumberjacks crossdress, in fact I have several friends who are lumberjacks, and only a few of them are transvestites"

Korrasami was the fandom's dream because "yasss muh represent every girl lesbian" etc etc, but I find it extremely ironic that they (the writers and the fans) gravitated towards an incredibly toxic, abusive pairing of "bisexuals" as the poster children for their lesbian fantasies.
Because thats incredibly accurate to reality.

For one: the woman who got pregnant is married and since her family is here it was her husband.
For two: the last person here that slept around did not get pregnant.
And it is more then a platoon, they are just the ones I see on a normal basis. You cant make a blanket statement about the military that isnt true.
I could say every navy sailor is gay, but I wont do that since it isnt true.

I agree with your Korrasami stuff. It is ironic that they are bisexuals and not lesbians as everyone claims, but most say they became lesbians and no longer go after guys.

> Pan
> Fine with either sex

You see the problem with this statement right?

I am confused.
I also have kinda avoided what things mean nowadays so.

 

[Abhorsen]

Pansexual is even faker than lesbianism. There are only two genders so the prefix "pan" is meaningless nonsense.

Pansexual isn't fake, it's just a synonym for being bisexual that tends towards woker people using it.

But the fact that you think lesbianism is fake is hilarious to me, given the number of married lesbians. Lesbians 'switching' is because of the woke hijacking attempt on the phrase, trying to get it to mean any women loving women. But lesbian actually means a woman who exclusively loves women. This is on top of bi-erasure, which is alive and well in the LG community, where there is pressure on Bisexuals to just pick one gender, and that they are faking their attraction to others, and not really queer. This is reflected in what happens with Asami and Korra being considered lesbians, and not bisexuals. The final part of this is (usually girls) who are gay for college only (don't know why this exists, but it's a thing that happens).

As for why buff girls are considered to be lesbians, a couple of reasons. First, there's a long standing culture belief that masculine acting women are gay. This is somewhat true (the WACs in WWII was full of gay women, for example, and lesbian culture for a while was very heavy on the butch/femme dynamic), but was also part of mainstream culture enforcing gender roles (if a woman didn't behave completely like a woman, she could be attacked as being a lesbian). Now that gays are accepted, we are left with this cultural meme of "More masculine acting woman = lesbian". When we add this to "Strong female character = physically strong/act masculine" cultural meme, we end up with "Strong female character = lesbian". And given making a lesbian character instantly gets praise from critics, don't expect this to die anytime soon.

 

[FriedCFour]

Pansexual isn't fake, it's just a synonym for being bisexual that tends towards woker people using it.

It’s fake. It implies things that are not true, hence, fake.

But the fact that you think lesbianism is fake is hilarious to me, given the number of married lesbians. Lesbians 'switching' is because of the woke hijacking attempt on the phrase, trying to get it to mean any women loving women. But lesbian actually means a woman who exclusively loves women.

The number of married lesbians is exactly it. When you remove the number of lesbians who are married and then have next to no sex and/or beat each other silly, or have attraction to men or end up sleeping with men, how many married lesbians are left? Mostly just women molested as children.

This is reflected in what happens with Asami and Korra being considered lesbians, and not bisexuals.

because Korra is being talked about...



Enjoy

 

[Abhorsen]

It’s fake. It implies things that are not true, hence, fake.

Nope, as a mathematician, it's completely identical. Bi-sexual= attracted to two genders. Pan-sexual= attracted to all genders. These become synonyms when we acknowledge that there are only 2 genders. Nothing fake here.

The number of married lesbians is exactly it. When you remove the number of lesbians who are married and then have next to no sex and/or beat each other silly, or have attraction to men or end up sleeping with men, how many married lesbians are left? Mostly just women molested as children.

Man, that's a lot of assumptions you make there. First, just because someone is an asshole who beats their spouse doesn't mean their sexuality disappears. And assuming molested as children causes the entirety of the rest of lesbianism is completely wrong on a number of levels. As for the attraction to men part, I already noted that means bisexual, not lesbian.

because Korra is being talked about...


Enjoy

About 5 minutes in, and I notice gaping holes in logic on the speakers part that I could dissect to death. I'm not wasting my time with the whole video.



Now, back on topic of Yuri: It's mostly trash. That's right, I said it. Japanese Yuri and Yaoi is mostly trash. That's because anime/manga romance is largely trash. First, Harem manga/anime as a class can just go die in a fire. For every 50 shit tier one, there is maybe one non-shit one, and even then, the romance is usually bullshit saved by the rest of the story.

Then the will they won't they being dragged off until whenever. I've always hated this trope. At least with a RomCom it'll be done in two hours, but in a manga they'll stretch it out forever just to get you to buy more. There is no goddamn end and I hate it.

Then there is the creepyness added as extra 'spice' (Christ, I nearly barfed in my mouth). Look, I'm kinky as hell. But I cannot understand people into NTR, Loli, or incest. WTF Japan? Why do you do this?

Now you'll say there are plenty of good romances. And sure, there are, but the majority are shit. The vast majority, well more than Sturgeon's law requires.

 

[FriedCFour]

And assuming molested as children causes the entirety of the rest of lesbianism is completely wrong on a number of levels.

it causes much of LGB behavior. I’m just pointing out that most considered Lesbians either aren’t lesbians or are lesbians because they were molested as children.

 

[Abhorsen]

it causes much of LGB behavior. I’m just pointing out that most considered Lesbians either aren’t lesbians or are lesbians because they were molested as children.

... No, it really doesn't. It maybe causes a little, but not much. Given that a vast number of non-human animals exhibit homosexual behaviors, despite not having the mental capacity to understand abuse, this is not a good explanation. Also, a citation on 'much' of homosexuals existing because of abuse. Note, this isn't "Many LGBT experience abuse". The cause and effect there is likely swapped, especially on older data.

 

[FriedCFour]

No, it really doesn't. It maybe causes a little, but not much. Given that a vast number of non-human animals exhibit homosexual behaviors, despite not having the mental capacity to understand abuse, this is not a good explanation. Also, a citation on 'much' of homosexuals existing because of abuse. Note, this isn't "Many LGBT experience abuse". The cause and effect there is likely swapped, especially on older data.

Animals don’t typically exhibit homosexual behaviors. They exhibit the behavior of wanting to get rocks off and on occasion not giving a shit what it is with. Comparative data of childhood and adolescence molestation in heterosexual and homosexual persons - PubMed

keep in mind that’s also just “have you experienced homosexual molestation”. That doesn’t even cover hetero and given it’s less than 1% for women who say they experienced that as a child while 22% of women openly say they were molested as a child by a woman if lesbian, it accounts for a pretty big percentage of lesbians. Then you factor in that probably at least 75% of self identified lesbians aren’t actually lesbians, and you get your number sorted.

 

[Abhorsen]

Animals don’t typically exhibit homosexual behaviors.

They do though. Like a lot of different and varied homosexual behaviors, from just trying to have sex, to having full on life mates. It varies.

Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Some animals are exclusively homosexual even.

keep in mind that’s also just “have you experienced homosexual molestation”. That doesn’t even cover hetero and given it’s less than 1% for women who say they experienced that as a child while 22% of women openly say they were molested as a child by a woman if lesbian, it accounts for a pretty big percentage of lesbians. Then you factor in that probably at least 75% of self identified lesbians aren’t actually lesbians, and you get your number sorted.

... So again, there's a lot wrong here. First you are adding percentages, which is a basic math error. You would expect that 75% of both the 22% that were molested and the 78% that weren't molested to be bisexual instead of only homosexual. Unless you have firm evidence that for some reason the source excluded bisexual women (for example, by looking at kinsey scale cohorts), you've only explained 22% of the exclusively lesbian population. But this didn't do that. It just asked whether the person considers themselves predominantly homosexual. Still, 22% of the population would be a lot. But this still has problems.

Second, you just showed that gay kids were more likely to be molested, not that molestation causes gayness. In fact, in one of the tables in the study (table 2), it notes that 62% of lesbians knew they were gay before being molested. Fortunately for you, in this case they split the cohorts between being molested by men and by women. For the cohort molested by men, 72% knew they were gay before being molested. But for the cohort molested by women, only 37% knew they were gay beforehand. This means that your 22% is reduced to 14.3% at most could be explained by being molested by a woman. But I don't find the molestation to be a convincing reason for the change.

In addition, with the higher mean age for discovering they are gay for girls (especially given that lesbianism was a lot less well known in 1980s, which if we subtract the difference between the average molestation age for girls (13) from the average age of women in the study (30) from the study date (approximately 2000), was a rough average for when molestation occurred). A much simpler explanation for why the women's number (% that knew they were gay before molestation) is lower than the men's number could be this was the first time that they had heard of same sex behavior between women at all, while gay male behavior was much more known about (despised, but known about).

Thirdly, finally, and fundamentally, you are still in the place I warned you about in my previous post. You haven't shown cause. All you've shown is that LGB's are particularly susceptible to abuse, with some being abused before they know they are gay. Congrats, this is well known about. You still haven't shown that abuse causes gayness.

 

[FriedCFour]

Thirdly, finally, and fundamentally, you are still in the place I warned you about in my previous post. You haven't shown cause. All you've shown is that LGB's are particularly susceptible to abuse, with some being abused before they know they are gay. Congrats, this is well known about. You still haven't shown that abuse causes gayness.

You’re assuming that they are correct in knowing they are gay prior to being abused. Transtrenders will say the same thing. LGB and sex with kids kind of goes hand in hand, all throughout history it’s been the case. It’s even the case in the US. For example, the founder of Nambla was also one of the earliest LGB activists in the US and president of of the Gay Activist Alliance. There’s very little evidence of genetic predisposition to homosexuality and clearly a hell of a lot of evidence of kids getting diddled and then finding out they were gay.

 

[Abhorsen]

You’re assuming that they are correct in knowing they are gay prior to being abused.

I'm not assuming that, the study you cited as proof assumed that. If you want to toss the study entirely and try again, that's fine with me.

LGB and sex with kids kind of goes hand in hand, all throughout history it’s been the case. It’s even the case in the US. For example, the founder of Nambla was also one of the earliest LGB activists in the US and president of of the Gay Activist Alliance.

So there's two things to unpack here. First, a lot of homosexual (and straight) abuse of children is actually done by people who are straight when interacting with adults, which is cited by your study, which you clearly didn't actually read. Here's a link to your study, so you can actual read thing you cite.

Second, yes, pedos latching onto the LGBT movement is an old story. The LGBT movement predated NAMBLA (NAMBLA started in '78, gay liberation in '69), worked to kick the pedo group out of where it was allowed, including banning it from multiple pride marches (most pretty quickly), until it was totally excommunicated from pride marches by 1986 (maybe earlier?), and almost no one invited them in (except David Thorstad). The thing is, pedos will use any excuse to mainstream themselves and latch onto any movement that justifies their evil actions. They say gay rights as a pathway to acceptance. Good on the movement for working to stop evil hangers on from taking advantage of the movement.

clearly a hell of a lot of evidence of kids getting diddled and then finding out they were gay.

No there isn't. I just wrecked your evidence, and your counter to me poking holes in your citation was effectively "there are flaws in the evidence I cited." This doesn't prove your point at all. Please cite evidence you aren't going to toss out the window when I point out holes in it.

 

[King Krávoka]

Do you actually not know? Think about it really, for a moment, why does media (which is 99% lefty swill) portray female strength as inherently lesbian?

So it came to me when someone posted this video that the commonly loathed depiction of women come from them being male power fantasies happening to female protagonists, because women don't write that kind of thing, even women in the mass media. Just look at the distinction in archetypes between bad fanfiction by women for themselves, and bad fanfiction by men for themselves. I don't know if these people consciously write their lesbians as female men, but at the very least getting rainbowashed is indisputably something you save for main characters.

 

[Abhorsen]

So it came to me when someone posted this video that the commonly loathed depiction of women come from them being male power fantasies happening to female protagonists, because women don't write that kind of thing, even women in the mass media. Just look at the distinction in archetypes between bad fanfiction by women for themselves, and bad fanfiction by men for themselves. I don't know if these people consciously write their lesbians as female men, but at the very least getting rainbowashed is indisputably something you save for main characters.

I think it has to do with power frequently being associated with being more masculine. This applies to girl characters as well, which is the problem. A good author can handle this quite well (George R.R. Martin for example). But bad writers use crutches, and lesbian = strong, empowered female is right there for any hack to use, just like any other overdone trope.

One of the problems is when hack writers (which is the majority, think sturgeons law) hear 'Strong female characters' and think 'physically strong/powerful female characters'. Really, what was desired was 'female characters (that aren't villains) with agency'. (The '(aren't villains)' part is an important caveat, as the villain almost always has agency.) But what people tended to get was male characters being played by females.

But as for yuri, it doesn't have this type of problem, not being western. It has plenty of its own problems though.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Do you actually not know? Think about it really, for a moment, why does media (which is 99% lefty swill) portray female strength as inherently lesbian?

justify their own sexism? Maybe they assume that if your fit, large, or strong you must identify as a male so they essentially project thier own masculine fantasies onto women even though being into sports or weight lifting DOES NOT automatically mean your chromosomes are XY? Funny thing is I don't know that first muscular woman that's a lesbian. I have however seen a bunch of Teens and scrawny girls that claim to be. Most grow out of it it seems.

I think it has to do with power frequently being associated with being more masculine. This applies to girl characters as well, which is the problem. A good author can handle this quite well (George R.R. Martin for example). But bad writers use crutches, and lesbian = strong, empowered female is right there for any hack to use, just like any other overdone trope.

it's not even an accurate trope for starters. I follow a lot of Female wrestlers and powerlifters on youtube. As far as I can tell they all have husbands/boyfriends.

 

[Abhorsen]

it's not even an accurate trope for starters. I follow a lot of Female wrestlers and powerlifters on youtube. As far as I can tell they all have husbands/boyfriends.

Pretty much. At this point in history, gay women are just as likely to do X as a straight woman. But there are a lot of cultural memes saying the opposite, and these beliefs aren't some recent thing. It's just that the beliefs used to be negative, but now don't have that connotation. For example, it was a very common smear that women's basketball was filled with lesbians. That used to be a slur about women's basketball, now that LGBT rights has advanced, it's just a stereotype without a necessarily negative implication.

 

[TriforcedLink]

"I dont mind the degeneracy, just the completely unrelated totally coincidental bad behavior that just happens to explode in frequency when it's celebrated"

The same kind of shit happens in Heteroshipping fandoms and you know it. Hardcore shippers are just obnoxious in general.

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

My favorite type of Yuri is Bezmenov, obviously.

 

[Terthna]

Then there is the creepyness added as extra 'spice' (Christ, I nearly barfed in my mouth). Look, I'm kinky as hell. But I cannot understand people into NTR, Loli, or incest. WTF Japan? Why do you do this?

Oh those aren't even the weirdest fetishes some people are into; the things I've come across in the decades I've lurked on the internet get downright confounding at times. For example, you'd think nobody would be getting off to the idea of having their genitals covered with bees and stung repeatedly, but they're out there; I've seen the photos, and I wish I hadn't!

 

[Abhorsen]

Oh those aren't even the weirdest fetishes some people are into; the things I've come across in the decades I've lurked on the internet get downright confounding at times. For example, you'd think nobody would be getting off to the idea of having their genitals covered with bees and stung repeatedly, but they're out there; I've seen the photos, and I wish I hadn't!

No, I know there are weirder fetishes. Trust me, I know this well. I have weirder fetishes that I have acted on IRL (I'd hardly qualify as the local degenerate if I didn't). I don't have an issue with the weirdness, it's the moral wrongness of these 'fetishes' if done IRL that I have an issue with. They basically a) all involve normalizing child abuse (incest and loli (let's be real, lolicon=pedo) or partner abuse (cheating), and b) are all way more common than they need to be in anime, with loli and incest being way too common. I get that there is a difference between the fantasy and reality, but it's still creepy as hell.

About half of anime I would feel morally wrong watching because they try to sexualize the body of a young girl, or say that 'not-blood' related is an excuse for fucking your sister. These are wrong actions if done IRL, and I don't really want to see them shown as fantasies in every type of media I watch (hence why I don't watch a ton of anime).