What's your view on Yuri?

Do you like yuri?

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ParadiseLost

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Wasn't talking to you. None of what you're saying is addressing what I was saying at all, read who I was responding too.

If you want I'll address your points later but I don't think there's anything to discuss, obviously sturgeons law applies to everything and yes, 90% of anime romance/ecchi/hentai is shit.
 

Abhorsen

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Wasn't talking to you. None of what you're saying is addressing what I was saying at all, read who I was responding too.

If you want I'll address your points later but I don't think there's anything to discuss, obviously sturgeons law applies to everything and yes, 90% of anime romance/ecchi/hentai is shit.
Calling the Harem genre niche and using as argument the most popular anime (even outside of normal anime fans) still fails as an argument though.
 

Terthna

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Not really, though. Here's a google trends example:

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Sword Art Online is the most popular isekai by a LOT, and as you can see, searches for it absolutely pale in comparison to One Piece and Dragonball, and are even considerably lower than the current new popular Shonen Demon Slayer.

Lets use some more recent popular isekai though:

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Demon Slayer and Attack on TItan are clearly FAR more popular than That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime and Re:Zero, and Bleach towers above them all.

Look at those columns.

Now lets do Mecha:

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OH LOOK. GUNDAM COMPLETELY DOMINATES.

SUCH SHOCK. MUCH WOW.

Even Mecha beats Re Zero and That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime combined.

Dude, your perception of the anime community in the US is completely skewed because you hang out around weebs.
"Dude", I don't "hang out" around anyone.

Shonen is the most popular genre of anime; of course Isekai would fail to measure up, especially compared to juggernauts of the genre like Dragon Ball and One Piece, the number one and number two best-selling mangas, ever. And Gundam is the biggest name in the Mecha genre. Your methodology is fundamentally flawed, as all it proves is that Isekai isn't as popular as the most popular titles in anime.



All you've done is look at the most popular examples. Of course the most popular stuff is on average of better quality, especially when one uses google analytics, which would highlight the stuff that is popular outside of weebs.

But this is irrelevant to the question at hand. We weren't talking about the most popular few shows, but the majority of what is produced, and I claimed that the majority of anime romance was trash. All you've done is say "But the best stuff is good." No duh, of course it is. But a) I was saying that anime romance was generally trash (more than sturgeon's law), so almost all of your examples aren't relevant, and let's look at the new anime from the beginning of 2020, from MyAnimeList:
2 ecchi (read: perverted. Think very softcore porn. Obviously, shit at romance)
1 called Kyokua Suiri, whose female lead is described on their wiki as:


So that's 3/3 for bad/creepy romances.

I was going to go through the rest of this year, but I think I'm done.
Wow; seriously? That's all it takes? Then I don't recommend you watch Toradora after all, because that also stars a girl who's on the petite side. For those of us who actually watched Kyokua Suiri, or In/Spectre as it's otherwise know, your fears of being exposed to lolicon just come across as knee-jerk and nonsensical. Kotoko isn't a loli, period; she's just petite.

Honestly, I think I'd rather you avoided anime entirely, because I don't want to be subjected to more superficial moral condemnations of shows that make no sense to those of us who actually know something about them beyond a short summary.
 

ParadiseLost

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Calling the Harem genre niche and using as argument the most popular anime (even outside of normal anime fans) still fails as an argument though.

1) I was arguing about isekai.

2) It failed even against Demon Slayer, a recent anime that really hasn't made much waves outside of the anime community as far as I can see.

The harem and isekai genres are niche. They might be a large niche in the anime community, but they are niche. The reality is that the backbone and body of the anime community are shonen watchers: Tokyo Ghoul, Attack on Titan, Fullmetal Alchemist, the Shonen Trinity, Fairy Tail, My Hero Academia, Demon Slayer, etc.
 

Abhorsen

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Wow; seriously? That's all it takes? Then I don't recommend you watch Toradora after all, because that also stars a girl who's on the petite side. For those of us who actually watched Kyokua Suiri, or In/Spectre as it's otherwise know, your fears of being exposed to lolicon just come across as knee-jerk and nonsensical. Kotoko isn't a loli, period; she's just petite.

Honestly, I think I'd rather you avoided anime entirely, because I don't want to be subjected to more superficial moral condemnations of shows that make no sense to those of us who actually know something about them beyond a short summary.
Oh, if she's just petite, sure. I haven't watched it, and am just reading off of the description from the wiki, where it describes her as looking like a young girl, and from what I saw, she basically did. Note, I'd have no problem if this wasn't a romance anime in which she is the target of romance (see, for example, Saga of Tanya the Evil: It's about a young girl, but basically no romance). But the combination of let's romance someone who looks like a child makes me distinctly not interested. Short: no problem. "Often mistaken as a young child?" Problem.
 

ParadiseLost

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Famously Shiro in No Game No Life is 11 and has a crush on her older adopted brother (who is ~17) and she occasionally makes sexual remarks.

Then again... That's not really that unrealistic, given broader context of the culture. I remember hearing about how most of the hardcore yaoi fan manga at a big convention was sold to middle school girls.
 

Terthna

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1) I was arguing about isekai.

2) It failed even against Demon Slayer, a recent anime that really hasn't made much waves outside of the anime community as far as I can see.

The harem and isekai genres are niche. They might be a large niche in the anime community, but they are niche. The reality is that the backbone and body of the anime community are shonen watchers: Tokyo Ghoul, Attack on Titan, Fullmetal Alchemist, the Shonen Trinity, Fairy Tail, My Hero Academia, Demon Slayer, etc.
No duh the backbone of anime is Shonen; I was never arguing against that. But Shonen aside, Harems and Isekais are major contenders right now, compared to everything else.



Oh, if she's just petite, sure. I haven't watched it, and am just reading off of the description from the wiki, where it describes her as looking like a young girl, and from what I saw, she basically did. Note, I'd have no problem if this wasn't a romance anime in which she is the target of romance (see, for example, Saga of Tanya the Evil: It's about a young girl, but basically no romance). But the combination of let's romance someone who looks like a child makes me distinctly not interested. Short: no problem. "Often mistaken as a young child?" Problem.
Watching the show, "Often mistaken as a young child" plays out as just a joke about her height; that's it. Also, the guy she's interested in isn't interested in her in the slightest at first; she's the one romancing him.
 

Abhorsen

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Watching the show, "Often mistaken as a young child" plays out as just a joke about her height; that's it. Also, the guy she's interested in isn't interested in her in the slightest at first; she's the one romancing him.
The first sentence is a good thing. The second I don't care about at all. Japan has a habit of trying to normalize pedophila (its age of consent is 13, for one example). I don't trust its anime at all on this topic.

The perceived prudishness on my part stems, as far as I can tell, from my being kinky. I've gotten more libertarian and more prudent about any sort of consent since doing kinky shit. Just like a munitions engineer treats explosives more respectfully than the average person, same with me, kink, and consent.
 

Terthna

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The first sentence is a good thing. The second I don't care about at all. Japan has a habit of trying to normalize pedophila (its age of consent is 13, for one example). I don't trust its anime at all on this topic.

The perceived prudishness on my part stems, as far as I can tell, from my being kinky. I've gotten more libertarian and more prudent about any sort of consent since doing kinky shit. Just like a munitions engineer treats explosives more respectfully than the average person, same with me, kink, and consent.
Fictional characters can't consent; they don't exist. This belief likely stems from my obsession with setting stark boundaries between what's fiction, and what's reality; mostly as a reaction to various moral panics perpetrated by people who just cannot tell the difference between the two, and seemed to believe that fiction is reality.

Lolis in anime are drawn by adults, written by adults, and performed by adults; at no point is an actual child involved in the creation of the fantasy. Thus, complaining about the moral implications of lolis is, in my opinion, no different from complaining about the moral implications of your average slasher film, or Grand Theft Auto game. Because I don't see any difference morally between fantasizing about having sex with a child, watching people get hunted down to be tortured and killed, and being a hardened criminal who takes whatever he wants at the expense of others.

Because in real life?

All of these things would result in ruined lives. But it isn't real life, it's a fantasy; so it ultimately doesn't matter outside of what you yourself are comfortable fantasizing about. So if you're not comfortable with lolis or incest, that's fine; you do you. But your moral justifications for your preferences strike me as being rather reductive and ignorant, as well as a little bit delusional in terms of your insistence on applying real-world logic to fiction. You also seem to be quick to make assumptions about what an anime is about, which just makes you look like an impulsive fool when it turns out that your assumptions aren't even remotely correct.
 
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Abhorsen

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All of these things would result in ruined lives. But it isn't real life, it's a fantasy; so it ultimately doesn't matter outside of what you yourself are comfortable fantasizing about. So if you're not comfortable with lolis or incest, that's fine; you do you. But your moral justifications for your preferences strike me as being rather reductive and ignorant, as well as a little bit delusional in terms of your insistence on applying real-world logic to fiction. You also seem to be quick to make assumptions about what an anime is about, which just makes you look like an impulsive fool when it turns out that your assumptions aren't even remotely correct.
So I'm not condemning you for liking it. I'm just noting why I don't. My distrust of anime on this issue isn't that I think the writer is a pedo, it's that I don't trust I'll end up seeing something that would gross me out. There is obviously nothing morally wrong with enjoying simulated things or simulating actions.

As for the assumptions, it was a pretty reasonable assumption based on the knowledge available to me at the time. I did the best I could with the information at hand. Now, sometimes, the assumption is wrong (like in this one), so I owned up that it was wrong. I don't see the issue here?
 

Terthna

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So I'm not condemning you for liking it. I'm just noting why I don't. My distrust of anime on this issue isn't that I think the writer is a pedo, it's that I don't trust I'll end up seeing something that would gross me out. There is obviously nothing morally wrong with enjoying simulated things or simulating actions.

As for the assumptions, it was a pretty reasonable assumption based on the knowledge available to me at the time. I did the best I could with the information at hand. Now, sometimes, the assumption is wrong (like in this one), so I owned up that it was wrong. I don't see the issue here?
You only half-admitted you were wrong though; the other half consisted of you going on about how "Japan has a habit of trying to normalize pedophila".
 

Abhorsen

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You only half-admitted you were wrong though; the other half consisted of you going on about how "Japan has a habit of trying to normalize pedophila".
Oh, that's just true though. Japan has something of a problem with it, and its part of the reason lolis sell. I'm not saying liking lolis implies pedophilia, I'm saying that pedos like lolis.
 

Captain X

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Yuri's okay, but I like Kei a lot better. :p

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As for the actual question, it depends largely on the writing and chemistry of the actors, just like with straight couples in all honesty. To be completely fair, there haven't really been any yuri couples I've 'shipped for as anything other than a joke.
 

Abhorsen

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Figured I'd post a funny story on yuri here. So, in Sailor Moon, for the few who don't know, Sailor Uranus (Haruka) and Sailor Neptune (Michiru) are canonly together, according to the Japanese version, with Haruka going full bifauxnen, and looking nearly like a guy (which is played for laughs). Of course, translations at the time couldn't have gay characters, so they came up with a number of different explanations, all of which made it worse.

So the english release went for making the cousins, which they had to emphasize at basically every point, as the characters have too much romantic chemistry otherwise, and it still ends up looking like two cousins want to boink.

The Russians screwed up even worse, with Haruka (the one who looks very guy like) now being a guy who spontaneously transforms into a woman with the sailor transformation. Nope! Nothing gay here! No Siree.
 

Zachowon

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My view on Yuri has varied a lot. Some people ruined some aspects years ago but got over it eventually.
I watch RWBY, and there is at least a partially confirmed guy couple there, and a fully confirmed gay guy on a member of a team
 

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