What's your view on Yuri?

[Terthna]

No, I know there are weirder fetishes. Trust me, I know this well. I have weirder fetishes that I have acted on IRL (I'd hardly qualify as the local degenerate if I didn't). I don't have an issue with the weirdness, it's the moral wrongness of these 'fetishes' if done IRL that I have an issue with. They basically a) all involve normalizing child abuse (incest and loli (let's be real, lolicon=pedo) or partner abuse (cheating), and b) are all way more common than they need to be in anime, with loli and incest being way too common. I get that there is a difference between the fantasy and reality, but it's still creepy as hell.

About half of anime I would feel morally wrong watching because they try to sexualize the body of a young girl, or say that 'not-blood' related is an excuse for fucking your sister. These are wrong actions if done IRL, and I don't really want to see them shown as fantasies in every type of media I watch (hence why I don't watch a ton of anime).

But none of it is real; the rules fiction operates by are completely different from those of reality. All one really needs to do is learn how to separate fiction from reality, and I see no reason to take issue with the former.

 

[Abhorsen]

But none of it is real; the rules fiction operates by are completely different from those of reality. All one really needs to do is learn how to separate fiction from reality, and I see no reason to take issue with the former.

For my own enjoyment, I can separate fiction from reality. I like warhammer stuff, even though every faction there is awful, etc. It's just that when a tv show has a romantic angle with rape, incest, pedophilia, or NTR, without ever actually analyzing the deep moral fuckuptitude of this, it makes for a shit romance and shit story. This isn't going to make a story better, especially with how every anime story has a loli, and the way to tell if an anime protagonist with a sister has a romance sub plot with her.

It would be like having a generically good communist government in a tv show or movie, and never explaining why the hell everything hasn't gone to shit. It's bad, unimaginative, hack writing, and why I don't usually go for anime for my romance. And I love a good romance novel (Pride and Prejudice is my favorite book, for example).

 

[Terthna]

For my own enjoyment, I can separate fiction from reality. I like warhammer stuff, even though every faction there is awful, etc. It's just that when a tv show has a romantic angle with rape, incest, pedophilia, or NTR, without ever actually analyzing the deep moral fuckuptitude of this, it makes for a shit romance and shit story. This isn't going to make a story better, especially with how every anime story has a loli, and the way to tell if an anime protagonist with a sister has a romance sub plot with her.

It would be like having a generically good communist government in a tv show or movie, and never explaining why the hell everything hasn't gone to shit. It's bad, unimaginative, hack writing, and why I don't usually go for anime for my romance. And I love a good romance novel (Pride and Prejudice is my favorite book, for example).

Fair enough; I just don't see it the way you do, I guess. In much the same way I can accept functional giant robots, even though by all logic they should collapse under their own weight, I can also accept that a guy can have a romantic relationship with his little sister (who many or may not be related to him by blood) without there being any serious moral issues involved. How such things would actually work out in the real world just aren't important to my enjoyment of the story.

Also "generically good communist government"? Doesn't that basically describe Star Trek's Federation? I still have no idea how that's supposed to work, and I watched everything from the Original Series, to Enterprise.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Also "generically good communist government"? Doesn't that basically describe Star Trek's Federation? I still have no idea how that's supposed to work, and I watched everything from the Original Series, to Enterprise.

Same logic with AnarchoCommunism

People gave up things like greed and other seven deadly sins and start working together for a better tomorrow

And have no problems centralising everything or having a perfectly planned economy. Also convenient advances in technology.

 

[Abhorsen]

Fair enough; I just don't see it the way you do, I guess. In much the same way I can accept functional giant robots, even though by all logic they should collapse under their own weight, I can also accept that a guy can have a romantic relationship with his little sister (who many or may not be related to him by blood) without there being any serious moral issues involved. How such things would actually work out in the real world just aren't important to my enjoyment of the story.

Also "generically good communist government"? Doesn't that basically describe Star Trek's Federation? I still have no idea how that's supposed to work, and I watched everything from the Original Series, to Enterprise.

The difference, I suppose, is that the specifics of how the government works isn't central to the story. It's just used to handwave away problems. In contrast, the circumstances of the romance story are important to the romantic subplot. Also, not only are they gross, the weirdness is overdone as hell. Have a new romantic story plot please.

 

[Terthna]

The difference, I suppose, is that the specifics of how the government works isn't central to the story. It's just used to handwave away problems. In contrast, the circumstances of the romance story are important to the romantic subplot. Also, not only are they gross, the weirdness is overdone as hell. Have a new romantic story plot please.

You ever seen Toradora? It's a romance anime that has no lolis, no incest, and no harem. I think you'd like it.

 

[Abhorsen]

You ever seen Toradora? It's a romance anime that has no lolis, no incest, and no harem. I think you'd like it.

Huh, I'll try it. Is it yuri, or is this a more off topic recommendation?

 

[Terthna]

Huh, I'll try it. Is it yuri, or is this a more off topic recommendation?

Off-topic; I just figured I should recommend it to you as an example of what I think is a good romance anime, without all the things you don't want to see. Seeing as you said you don't watch anime specifically to avoid those things.

 

[Abhorsen]

Seeing as you said you don't watch anime specifically to avoid those things.

Oh, I still watch anime, but I have to be careful to avoid these things.

 

[Terthna]

Oh, I still watch anime, but I have to be careful to avoid these things.

To each their own, I suppose; it's not like I don't have my own personal preferences.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Yuri was never my cup of tea, but i dont really care about other people liking that kind of stuff.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Sounds hot if it's between two attractive women but the reality I suspect is much more different.

My favorite type of Yuri is Bezmenov, obviously.

What about Yuri from RA2?

 

[Abhorsen]

Sounds hot if it's between two attractive women but the reality I suspect is much more different.

These are anime girls, so at worst, one will be bifauxnen.

 

[ParadiseLost]

No, I know there are weirder fetishes. Trust me, I know this well. I have weirder fetishes that I have acted on IRL (I'd hardly qualify as the local degenerate if I didn't). I don't have an issue with the weirdness, it's the moral wrongness of these 'fetishes' if done IRL that I have an issue with. They basically a) all involve normalizing child abuse (incest and loli (let's be real, lolicon=pedo) or partner abuse (cheating), and b) are all way more common than they need to be in anime, with loli and incest being way too common. I get that there is a difference between the fantasy and reality, but it's still creepy as hell.

About half of anime I would feel morally wrong watching because they try to sexualize the body of a young girl, or say that 'not-blood' related is an excuse for fucking your sister. These are wrong actions if done IRL, and I don't really want to see them shown as fantasies in every type of media I watch (hence why I don't watch a ton of anime).

Lolis and incest are fairly rare in anime. Especially sexualized lolis.

Additionally, I enjoy both lolis and incest, but would never consider doing either in real life and find the mere idea of doing either IRL revolting.

You ever seen Toradora? It's a romance anime that has no lolis, no incest, and no harem. I think you'd like it.

Toradora normalizes abuse.

At least its not as bad as The Familiar of Zero.

 

[Terthna]

Lolis and incest are fairly rare in anime. Especially sexualized lolis.

Additionally, I enjoy both lolis and incest, but would never consider doing either in real life and find the mere idea of doing either IRL revolting.



Toradora normalizes abuse.

At least its not as bad as The Familiar of Zero.

Or Love Hina, or Ranma 1/2, or Inuyasha, or... look, I don't like it either, but Taiga isn't anywhere near as bad as all that, and she mellows out as the series progresses. The show also isn't afraid to let her be the butt of the joke sometimes:



That said, you clearly haven't watched much anime recently; lolis and incest aren't exactly ubiquitous to the medium, but I wouldn't call them rare to find either, particularly in the harem genre.

 

[ParadiseLost]

That said, you clearly haven't watched much anime recently; lolis and incest aren't exactly ubiquitous to the medium, but I wouldn't call them rare to find either, particularly in the harem genre.

As much as internet culture can sometimes suggest otherwise, the harem genre is niche in anime.

 

[Terthna]

As much as internet culture can sometimes suggest otherwise, the harem genre is niche in anime.

Compared to what, exactly? At the very least, it beats out Mecha by a country mile. Also keep in mind, harem elements can be found in many genres, particularly Isekai; which is rather popular right now, to put it mildly.

 

[ParadiseLost]

Compared to what, exactly? At the very least, it beats out Mecha by a country mile. Also keep in mind, harem elements can be found in many genres, particularly Isekai; which is rather popular right now, to put it mildly.

Not really, though. Here's a google trends example:

Sword Art Online is the most popular isekai by a LOT, and as you can see, searches for it absolutely pale in comparison to One Piece and Dragonball, and are even considerably lower than the current new popular Shonen Demon Slayer.

Lets use some more recent popular isekai though:

Demon Slayer and Attack on TItan are clearly FAR more popular than That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime and Re:Zero, and Bleach towers above them all.

Look at those columns.

Now lets do Mecha:

OH LOOK. GUNDAM COMPLETELY DOMINATES.

SUCH SHOCK. MUCH WOW.

Even Mecha beats Re Zero and That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime combined.

Dude, your perception of the anime community in the US is completely skewed because you hang out around weebs.

 

[Zachowon]

Gundam is a hard one to top in general

 

[Abhorsen]

Not really, though. Here's a google trends example:

All you've done is look at the most popular examples. Of course the most popular stuff is on average of better quality, especially when one uses google analytics, which would highlight the stuff that is popular outside of weebs.

But this is irrelevant to the question at hand. We weren't talking about the most popular few shows, but the majority of what is produced, and I claimed that the majority of anime romance was trash. All you've done is say "But the best stuff is good." No duh, of course it is. But a) I was saying that anime romance was generally trash (more than sturgeon's law), so almost all of your examples aren't relevant, and let's look at the new anime from the beginning of 2020, from MyAnimeList:
2 ecchi (read: perverted. Think very softcore porn. Obviously, shit at romance)
1 called Kyokua Suiri, whose female lead is described on their wiki as:

Kotoko is a young woman with a petite build and doll-like appearance, often mistaken as a young child instead.

So that's 3/3 for bad/creepy romances.

I was going to go through the rest of this year, but I think I'm done.

EDIT: Wait, hold up, those are only the ones that made the TV cut. It gets even worse.

There's Science Fell in Love, So I Tried to Prove It. I've (tried) to read the manga (my then boyfriend recommended it): it was shit.

There's Ogaki Matsuri ni Ikou yo!, which MyAnimeList notes is a Tourism Promotion anime, so I'm betting it's not known for its romance.

And another Ecchi. Now its 6/6 of crap romance, in one season.

There's also more crap which was had 2nd or 3rd seasons, but overall not worth it.

EDIT EDIT: I missed another one with a young prepubescent looking girl (that has magic bs so she isn't actually). 7/7.