Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Nah its probably been captured from the Clanner Scum and then put to good use against them
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paulobrito
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In fact, you are right. I'm not a filthy clanner. I get this one in the Tukayyid battle (extra mod flashpoint), and the weapons selection is my design. I already like to fight clanners in airless/hot biomes, using this baby, I can shut down the most dangerous omnins first very easily.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
well assuming you live to get close enough fire of course
paulobrito
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Maxed frontal armor, AMS, and abusing JJs (and LOS), is not that difficult.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
god help you in situations where it isn't though. Shudders at the memory of having to deal with 6 heavy LRM turrets in one battle on top of a assault lance with a heavy one backing it up
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
You win some, you lose some. Of course Weber is dealing with real lives here, so such min/max specialist designs are out question for CAC.
paulobrito
Well-known member
6 Heavy turrets? In what mod? Vanilla and BEX maxed at 4 turrets on each side AFAIK.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
One of the mods for the base Campaign. I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head
paulobrito
Well-known member
Yes, of course. And in 'real life' nobody is crazy enough to use so much inferno ammo. Is just a case of abusing game mechanics.
If it's airless...how does it burn?
paulobrito
Well-known member
By the power of plot / stupid rules, DUH. Or you can imagine that the gel contains its own oxidant.
Bah, it is obviously chlorine trifluoride or something similar. Because sometimes you just want everything to burn.
Speaker4thesilent
Crazed Deplorable
FOOF, stabilized by the power of DOME.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
It's a precursor compound to phosphex
Because people play tabletop and on the tabletop getting an SRM lock is exactly as difficult as hitting with any other weapon. You only avoid rolling on the cluster table. There are also not typed weapon slots when doing depot level refits, which can be performed in a dropship mech cubicle.
Streaks might possibly be good in some of the videogames, but if they are it's by having advantages they don't have on the tabletop and the tabletop is the core Battletech experience for most of the sort of people who talk about this sort of thing on places other than specific videogame forums.
An SRM-2 averages 2.83 damage. It needs a single freezer and a ton of ammo (SRM-2s should not be mounted in pairs even though the bin can support it because the SRM-4 is more than twice as good and fits in the same crit as a single SRM-2). That makes a 3 ton package for 0.94 damage per ton.
An SSRM-2 always does 4 damage. It needs a single freezer and when mounted singly a ton of ammo (multiple SSRM-2s should not be mounted once larger racks exist) That makes a 3.5 ton package for 1.14 damage per ton.
An SRM-4 averages 6.34 damage. It needs a freezer and a half and a ton of ammo is still adequate. That makes a 5.5 ton package for 1.15 damage per ton.
A pair of SSRM-2s (under Star League tech the only size) sharing a bin require two freezers and a ton of ammo. That makes a 6 ton package for 1.33 damage per ton.
An SRM-6 averages 8 damage. It needs two freezers and can still usually get by with a single ammo bin (15 shots is the common load for AC-20s, which have the same range profile). That makes a 6 ton package for 1.33 damage per ton.
An SSRM-6 does 12 damage. It needs two freezers and a ton of ammo. That makes a 7.5 ton package for 1.6 damage per ton.
Three SRRM-2s sharing an ammo bin need three freezers. That makes an 8.5 ton package for 1.41 damage per ton.
An SSRM-2 always does 4 damage. It needs a single freezer and when mounted singly a ton of ammo (multiple SSRM-2s should not be mounted once larger racks exist) That makes a 3.5 ton package for 1.14 damage per ton.
An SRM-4 averages 6.34 damage. It needs a freezer and a half and a ton of ammo is still adequate. That makes a 5.5 ton package for 1.15 damage per ton.
A pair of SSRM-2s (under Star League tech the only size) sharing a bin require two freezers and a ton of ammo. That makes a 6 ton package for 1.33 damage per ton.
An SRM-6 averages 8 damage. It needs two freezers and can still usually get by with a single ammo bin (15 shots is the common load for AC-20s, which have the same range profile). That makes a 6 ton package for 1.33 damage per ton.
An SSRM-6 does 12 damage. It needs two freezers and a ton of ammo. That makes a 7.5 ton package for 1.6 damage per ton.
Three SRRM-2s sharing an ammo bin need three freezers. That makes an 8.5 ton package for 1.41 damage per ton.
Okay, so far so good. Streaks are more efficient than normal SRMs. There's a catch, though. Streak racks can't fire alternate ammo. The SRM had alternate ammo editions before any other system. They've nearly always had infernos. Under the current tech timeline they have smoke in all eras in which they exist and infernos in all eras really supported for play. If you aren't taking advantage of the ability to spend an extra ton on an option (or for lone SRM-2s like the Shadow Hawk's just forgetting about using them for damage and only taking specialty ammo) you need to consider the medium laser. The weapon type restrictions you see in some videogames do not exist on the tabletop.
A ML always does 5 damage. It needs one and a half freezers. That makes a 3.5 ton package for 1.43 damage per ton.
Under advanced rules, energy weapons can drop damage and heat at a 1:1 ratio allowing a ML to be fired for 3 damage and 1 heat. If you plan your design around this two of them require 1 freezer and do 6 damage between them in two locations matching the SSRM-2's crit seeking. This is a 3 ton package for 2 damage per ton.
SHS may no longer be relevant to this fic, but if you really want to know, the low power ML drops to 1.5 damage per ton with SHS while the most efficient SSRM rack (the SSRM-6) drops to 1.26 damage per ton.
Under advanced rules, energy weapons can drop damage and heat at a 1:1 ratio allowing a ML to be fired for 3 damage and 1 heat. If you plan your design around this two of them require 1 freezer and do 6 damage between them in two locations matching the SSRM-2's crit seeking. This is a 3 ton package for 2 damage per ton.
SHS may no longer be relevant to this fic, but if you really want to know, the low power ML drops to 1.5 damage per ton with SHS while the most efficient SSRM rack (the SSRM-6) drops to 1.26 damage per ton.
Under standard rules the SSRM-6 is the only one more efficient than a medium laser, but if low power shots are allowed and a mech is designed for them the ML is always king by a significant margin. Choosing SSRMs over MLs also entails having more ammo that can explode which CASE doesn't actually do all that much to mitigate. Losing half your mech is a lot better than losing your whole mech, but it's still a lot worse than losing a single heatsink or medium laser. That's an argument against both standard and streak SRM racks, but standard SRM racks offer options that energy weapons simply can't provide while streak racks do damage.
On tanks and low heat burden mechs (ie. those not using their base free heatsinks) the heat advantages of streaks and larger racks vanish and SRMs are at least as efficient. The best comparison for streaks is SSRM-4 to SRM-6 which have exactly the same average damage output, but the 6 column while above average is not as good as the 2 an 4 columns, which are the best columns on the whole table and the only ones to break 70% of missiles on target on a successful gunnery roll.
Crazyone47
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Hmmm..... A few business ideas for Catachan
Exercise resort.
Dinosaur theme park
Stuff that involves high gravity
Forestry services.
Exercise resort.
Dinosaur theme park
Stuff that involves high gravity
Forestry services.
Speaker4thesilent
Crazed Deplorable
Closed. Military. System.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
more factories it is then. Also it does occur to me that as other sources of formely Lostech come online in the future a larger percentage of the CAC's production of said items can be devoted to its lines rather than those of other companies
bobnik
Memetic Warfare Specialist
Well yeah, tourism's right out, but other diversification is needed. There will come a time when Catachan's factories are no longer unique and the shipping costs start taking hold. It might not be for decades, but sowing the seeds now is better. It will almost certainly remain a regional supply node though.