No,no,you should be EL PRESIDENTE for life !
Warship Appreciation Thread
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Aaron Fox
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The biggest problem is that every nuclear-powered ship that isn't part of a nuclear power's navy is that those ships are going to be fuck expensive until recently. Why recently? Because it took decades to basically turn nuclear reactors into Legos (i.e., the invention of modular reactors).
This is why it would be, "If I'm Supreme Dictator of the Planet" as opposed to an actual practical objective. That said, nuclear ships are fuck expensive but at least for warships, the cost is justified by the operational advantages. There's a reason the USN was planning to go all-nuclear back in the day, and was forced not to by McNamoron's claiming that conventional was more cost effective. Which wasn't actually true at all, but was a classic example of McNamoron's towering ego and arrogance causing him to literally make shit up anytime reality didn't match what he thought made sense.
Aaron Fox
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No, the USN not getting its fully nuclear fleet is because Congress balked at the costs of such a fleet (remember, the USS Enterprise -the USN's first nuclear CVN- was supposed to be mass-produced until Congress looked at the price tag and canceled the entire class, and the Long Beach had similar problems though it did prove to be the basis for what would become AEGIS). McNamara didn't have anything really to do with it. McNamara was forced to use a conventional fleet by Congress.
If you look through history, the US military's problems tend to be two things: Congress being penny pinchers almost to that curvature Jewish stereotype, or the maturity of the tech wasn't up to the task.
McNamoron sold Congress on the lie that conventional warships were more cost effective than nuclear ones, because he was obsessed with proving his stupid, "transformative" ideas were always better than anything anyone else said and no amount of factual reality would ever convince him otherwise. His so-called "whiz kids" very quickly learned that their actual job was simply to package whatever McNamoron had pre-determined to be the winning idea so that it didn't look like an arbitrary snap judgement. Unfortunately, they were very good at doing so, and Congress bought it hook, line, and sinker.
Before McNamoron's lies started getting entrenched -- yes, Congress cancelled a few very expensive nuclear ships, but those were factually justified cancellations of technology that legitimately didn't work, and they did (however reluctantly) in fact fund a full array of nuclear-powered frigates, destroyers, cruisers, carriers, and submarines.
Before McNamoron's lies started getting entrenched -- yes, Congress cancelled a few very expensive nuclear ships, but those were factually justified cancellations of technology that legitimately didn't work, and they did (however reluctantly) in fact fund a full array of nuclear-powered frigates, destroyers, cruisers, carriers, and submarines.
Aaron Fox
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McNamara's biggest stick was going away from Esenhower's 'everything or nothing' approach to US military policy (basically, either be allowed to nuke the enemy or just retreat) to a more flexible one.
Congress has always been the biggest enemy of the USN.
Morphic Tide
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Both can be right. Congress dropping the first CVN class as bulk production from insane up-front costs to such a matter, and have been hoodwinked that nuclear as a whole wasn't going to work right in the long run.
The idea of nuclear Destroyer-Leaders came to mind for a subject of case studies into nuclearizing small vessels, as one able to patrol for extremely long periods could simplify patrol rotations by having the control hub for said patrols not need to come out of formation for refueling, thus saving a few hulls in the water with associated upkeep costs and improving time at attention.
The idea of nuclear Destroyer-Leaders came to mind for a subject of case studies into nuclearizing small vessels, as one able to patrol for extremely long periods could simplify patrol rotations by having the control hub for said patrols not need to come out of formation for refueling, thus saving a few hulls in the water with associated upkeep costs and improving time at attention.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
If anyone hasn't brought this one up yet, may I introduce the ORP Piorun. She was a British built destroyer loaned to the Polish Government in exile in 1940, and crewed by Poles simply too angry to die as evidenced by them attacking the Bismarck head on.
The ever talented Lazerpig did a video where he recounted the action, and it left me wheezing.
The ever talented Lazerpig did a video where he recounted the action, and it left me wheezing.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
For my part, I will add that most likely her last surviving crew member, Senior Seaman (now honorary Sub-Lieutenant of the Navy) Ryszard Polański (not to be confused with the director) is currently the oldest living seaman in the world (he was born in 1921 in Lwów so he is now 103 years old) and incidentally fired at the Bismarck because he was a gunner on her.
He now lives in Scotland, where he started a family after the war. He returned to Poland only in 1999 but only on visits.
Not so much as angry, because we are rarely too angry to die. We prefer wanting to play on their noses, the "dear" Krauts, teasing Bismarck as befits the Poles.
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Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
I like to think in another timeline the Piorun took Bismarck as a prize. It wouldn't matter if this was after Bismarck has been pounded into scrap by the British, I want to relish in the sheer spite of the Kriegsmarine war flag being pulled down and the Flaga Polski being put up in its place.
Hitler would have had a stroke.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
the real question would be could the poles get her back to base?
Please,no.If Hitler get stroke,somebody smarter could replace him and Germany could actually win war.
All they need to do in 1941 was come to soviets as liberators,and they would kill all commies on their own.
We would have german EU in 1943,not 2023 like in OTL.
P.S i remember some AH on fanfiction where old canadian hag who still looked young take over Canada,win WW2 for USA and captured bot Yamato and Musashi for canadian Navy.
Later defeated soviets and killed sralin,but soviets still keep european countries after that.
And win war in Vietnam,defeating USA there for commies.
Forget both name and author,but he hated christians,especially catholics,and killed tem all later when they meet Reapers in ME Galaxy/super Canada,of course,win/
Most funny thing - dude wrote it seriously,it was not joke.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
In order to do that, a whole lot more Germans than just Hitler would have to come down with stroke. As much as the likes of Speer and Manstein liked to shit on Hitler after war, they were in line with him during the war and many decisions that were heaped onto Hitler after war, were actually made by other people, who after 1945 were happy to paint themselves as immaculate saints at the expense of conveniently dead guy.
You are right.What about all german leaders getting stroke together ?
Hitler wasn't very competent as a military micromanager, but he was in fact pretty much irreplaceable as a charismatic public speaker. Without Hitler, it's very likely that the Nazi Party would have never risen to power, and would be little more than a historical footnote about the Beer Hall Putsch showcasing how spineless and weak the Weimar Republic government was.
Edit: Just to clarify, this wouldn't have addressed the economic crisis that Germany went through, and given the intentionally harsh terms of the Treaty of Versailles, some form of Second World War was inevitable. But the rise of the Nazis specifically was very much rooted in Hitler being one of the most skilled public speakers in human history, and totally evil.
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Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Looks like Battleship New Jersey will be given a much needed drydocking next year or so due to her namesake state coughing up roughly half the total needed funds
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
And in the very drydock she was built in too boot
North Korea's Diesel-Electric Ballistic Missile 'Frankensub' Emerges
The bizarre rework of an antique Romeo class diesel-electric submarine points to the Kim regime's second strike nuclear deterrent dreams.
www.thedrive.com
The Nork's have unleashed their greatest weapon yet, a diesel-electric SLBM sub.
I don't think a Romeo class was design for that sort of loading on it's internal structure.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
That’s either madness or if it somehow works, genius. If North Korea can develop ballistic missile submarines of any variety, that is a dramatic increase of its power.North Korea's Diesel-Electric Ballistic Missile 'Frankensub' Emerges
The bizarre rework of an antique Romeo class diesel-electric submarine points to the Kim regime's second strike nuclear deterrent dreams.
The Nork's have unleashed their greatest weapon yet, a diesel-electric SLBM sub.
I don't think a Romeo class was design for that sort of loading on it's internal structure.