PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
What other nations? You think Clinton and Blair would go to war with China?
The US would not let Taiwan be attacked. If anything they would post a Carrier group right outside of Hon Kong should Taiwan have been given Hong Kong
I mean, sure we could put a reasonable limit on it, but it's still the right thing to do.
Honestly, I'm not too worried compared to the humanitarian benefit this would provide, along with the long term brain drain this would inflict on China.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Clinton pulled out of Somalia over less than two dozen dead and you expect him to go to war that is expected to kill thousands of servicemen? He would weasel his way out by guaranteeing security of Taiwan within its pre-1997 borders, but let them hung dry in Hong Kong itself.
I'm still upset that china sent such a low quality woman to be their honey pot
If she's not an 8 she doesnt rate!
"Right thing to do" may be the golden standard to run national policy in inspirational movie scripts, but it leads to nasty problems in the real world though.
In real world, this sort of idealism turns you into what effectively could be called the emergency valve system for third world shithole's popular discontent pressure, free of charge of course.
Why should all western countries rush to make a showing of this, when UK can do it better and more appropriately than the rest of them? With the numbers involved its not like UK is going to be overwhelmed.
China really did not go ham on Hong Kong till recently
LindyAF
Well-known member
There's a big difference between them having a policy of one country, two system and them tolerating a government they don't recognize taking control of an ethnically Han city on the mainland in perpetuity.
China doesnt deserve it
LindyAF
Well-known member
China probably doesn't care about what we think it deserves.
And to be frank, no country should care about what people who hate it think it deserves.
Well, they should if they are capable of ruining everything about them, and tell them to leave a place alone
Also, look at what happened with the Christmas Day bombing and how easy it was to fuck with communications. Electrical infrastructure would also be a possible weak point that could be exploited just by having people join power companies and work on the stuff.
The "Patriots Governing Hong Kong" Resolution has passed through the National Peoples Congress.
China for it's part has already been rewriting history as per a recent Global Times article, the Chinese Communist backed newspaper.
BBC said:
Hong Kong: China approves 'patriotic' plan to control elections
Critics say the electoral reforms will effectively wipe out any remaining opposition when enacted.
www.bbc.com
China for it's part has already been rewriting history as per a recent Global Times article, the Chinese Communist backed newspaper.
Global Times said:
I mean, is anyone really shocked that China went back on its word?
I mean, the amazing. Thing is more it took this long. I guess I could see optimism in the 1990s: soviet union was collapsed, mass liberalization, even china was a liberal bastion compared to Mao. Trend lines did look proming things thing might be okay by the 2020s. Turns out not really.
I think some people took it for granted that Communism ending meant all those countries would turn into Western-style free-market liberal democracies, or something like that.
Which is rather like the stereotypical British tourist who thinks that all foreigners can understand English if only he shouts it at them loudly enough.
In reality, there are many different directions a nation can take when it abandons Communism. Also, in China the Communists never actually left power.
Robovski
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Thatcher decided to give Hong Kong back to China, and the decision was that as Hong Kong was a colony, it's residents were not entitled to British citizenship. There were plenty of people in Hong Kong who knew which way this was going to go and wanted to leave the then British overseas possession for the safety of the UK and were denied by the later Tory and Labor governments. Turns out they were never British I guess?
Hong Kong's Free Press Is Dying
When Hong Kong's national security law was passed in June 2020, the law's many critics warned it would have a…
reason.com
Chinese authorities are raiding the newsrooms and arresting the Editors of Hong Kong's once free press. Or at least that's what they apparently did with the Hong Kong newspaper Apple Daily, not too long ago...
Reason said:
The reporters livestreamed the raids even after it was declared a crime scene. When they were told not to film, they set up a camera on the roof. When they weren't allowed to report using their now seized computers, they used their mobile phones instead. Other pro-Democracy Newspapers are still in operation such as Stand News and Citizen News but it seems like they too will likely be under threat from the sweeping new National Security Laws that sparked off this second round of protests almost two years ago.
Apple Daily was founded back in 1995, before the CCP moved in after Britain's withdrawal by Jimmy Lai, a Canton-born entrepreneur who smuggled himself into Hong Kong at the age of 12 in 1959. Jimmy Lai himself was arrested last April and is facing a twenty month sentence for 'unlawful assembly' charges. Along with the Apple Daily, he owned several other publications and retailers both in Hong Kong and Taiwan.
Val the Moofia Boss
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Has the Great Firewall of China been expanded to include Hong Kong yet? Will VPNs even work for them?
Apparently the firewall is spreading there but as the article cities, lots of people there use VPN's already to evade it.