Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

[PsihoKekec]

Basically once we get a new president things will change

Like they changed under Trump? Oh right, nothing changed as Pentagon fought tooth and nail any of his attempts to slow the wokization of the armed forces.

 

[Marduk]

Yet there is a real recruiting problem, and frankly a lot of ignorant youth do see communism as a 'better' alternative to the crony capitalism we have now.

Yes, that's what i'm getting at - in both cases, there is a problem, but the diagnosis of what's the problem and how to solve it is terrible.

I think it plays a bigger part than you want to admit, because the legacy of Veitnam has lingered on in the minds of many in the US, and now we also have Iraq to point to to show the military didn't learn shit about why Veitnam was unpopular and why it turned people in the US against the military.

It's called pattern recognition.

So that goes to the reason 1 and media undermining it with their narratives.
What could the government do with that? Instead of sneakily pushing left wing narratives into the media sphere and cracking down on the opposition to them it could start to push nationalism instead, but you know what changes in the government that requires.

Yet the military is scrambling for manpower and getting desperate about recruiting numbers to the point of actually starting to impicitly threaten a draft, even a peace time draft, if they don't get enough volunteers.

So I would say they might want to consider doing things to bring in people, even people who normally wouldn't be interested in joining the current US military, and stop trying to protect the 'pride' of their services instead of doing what might help bring recruiting numbers up.

You are now arguing for the military to essentially replicate the "wider audience" push of entertainment media. You do know how that one worked out, right?
Not to mention that the military has standards to consider, young, at least somewhat fit men are premium, everyone else is by nature second or third rate recruits who can't perform many of the important roles.

You forgot 4) Recruiter lies about military life to youth who don't know better.

Well then, either make recruiters tell the truth about military life (though if that is unattractive, it will only make the problem worse), or change the military life to fit what the recruiters say (mostly addressing points 2 and 3 in my setup).

Admitting guilt is not the same as wallowing in it, and the US military won't even admit Veitnam wasn't justified and neither was Iraq, so they won't face up to their own part in it.

The military had to follow politician's decisions in that one, so yes, it would be wallowing in guilt, and if we go into the details of it, there are many contradicting takes on what was done wrong in Vietnam.

And the military leadership is already full of Yes Men for the establishment, as their actions around Trump and Syria show, along with Milley's actions around Jan 6th. So that ship has sailed, and worrying about more 'Yes Men' coming in if the military admits it's fuck ups is worrying about closing the barn door after the horse has already bolted.

Ah, so you advocate not solving the problem, just confirming with everyone that the problem is there rather than just being suspected, it's totally bad, and it will stay. How is it supposed to help recruitment?

Except the military was supposed to be the last bastion of social cohesion and trust for the US, but started frittering that away in Iraq when the WMD bullshit was exposed for the lie it was, and DC/the Pentagon never did much to rebuild it, instead taking the worship and admiration of the US military by US civies as a given they didn't need to worry about, till reality hit them on the head and now they are panicking about recruitment numbers.

But it was supposed to be distrusted after Vietnam already by your earlier comments.
Iraq and WMDs are in the past, those who care about that matter a lot are among the most anti-military people in the country anyway so its a poor investment to put effort into convincing them, and the people joining are more interested in their future rather than that, leave that for the history students.

 

[Bacle]

Yes, that's what i'm getting at - in both cases, there is a problem, but the diagnosis of what's the problem and how to solve it is terrible.

So that goes to the reason 1 and media undermining it with their narratives.
What could the government do with that? Instead of sneakily pushing left wing narratives into the media sphere and cracking down on the opposition to them it could start to push nationalism instead, but you know what changes in the government that requires.


You are now arguing for the military to essentially replicate the "wider audience" push of entertainment media. You do know how that one worked out, right?
Not to mention that the military has standards to consider, young, at least somewhat fit men are premium, everyone else is by nature second or third rate recruits who can't perform many of the important roles.

Well then, either make recruiters tell the truth about military life (though if that is unattractive, it will only make the problem worse), or change the military life to fit what the recruiters say (mostly addressing points 2 and 3 in my setup).

The military had to follow politician's decisions in that one, so yes, it would be wallowing in guilt, and if we go into the details of it, there are many contradicting takes on what was done wrong in Vietnam.


Ah, so you advocate not solving the problem, just confirming with everyone that the problem is there rather than just being suspected, it's totally bad, and it will stay. How is it supposed to help recruitment?

Actually I do have a solution, just a more old school one than most countries use: Letters of Marque.

Use them against CCP and Russian poachers, and you could solve a lot of the ecological issues our planet, never mind just the US, face.

Way I see it is if they want more recruits, let them be pirates; it's an old American tradition that goes back to the Revolutionary War. It's also self-financing and self-arming. We hve the 2A for cannons, lets put that to use keeping those CCP poacher fleets from gutting our oceans.

But it was supposed to be distrusted after Vietnam already by your earlier comments.
Iraq and WMDs are in the past, those who care about that matter a lot are among the most anti-military people in the country anyway so its a poor investment to put effort into convincing them, and the people joining are more interested in their future rather than that, leave that for the history students.

I was a geology student, so I am a history student, just the longer view of history compared ot most. I care more about human survival as a species than nation pride, and the CCP and Russians are the biggest destructive entities in terms of our biome.

This is also why I support Musk, because he's trying to truly create an off planet, self-sustaining biological back-up. Light lag and isolated but redundant ecosystems are both a problem and solution all in one for many social and ecological problems.

 

[Marduk]

Actually I do have a solution, just a more old school one than most countries use: Letters of Marque.

Use them against CCP and Russian poachers, and you could solve a lot of the ecological issues our planet, never mind just the US, face.

Way I see it is if they want more recruits, let them be pirates; it's an old American tradition that goes back to the Revolutionary War. It's also self-financing and self-arming. We hve the 2A for cannons, lets put that to use keeping those CCP poacher fleets from gutting our oceans.

This is such a legal, reputational and political mess that no one is insane enough to do it.
After all, it was already tried by the private sector - turns out Greenpeace and Sea Shepherds prefer to stick to annoying countries in which "vegan diet in prison" doesn't mean "bread and water".

I was a geology student, so I am a history student, just the longer view of history compared ot most. I care more about human survival as a species than nation pride, and the CCP and Russians are the biggest destructive entities in terms of our biome.

So you want to join a green NGO or even paramilitary if anything, not a national military, got it.
As such, you are not the target audience for military recruiters.

This is also why I support Musk, because he's trying to truly create an off planet, self-sustaining biological back-up. Light lag and isolated but redundant ecosystems are both a problem and solution all in one for many social and ecological problems.

A very convoluted way to spell "aerospace advantage". Building and maintaining artificial ecosystems is a luxury even for outright sci-fi civilizations, but for them, at least it does exist as an option - for most people the far more interesting part is becoming such a civilization at all in the first place.

 

[Arch Dornan]

If they keep hating white males and anything conservative as Nazi or fascist it won't change and will continue to be politically motivated as they'll have he him her generals with a skirt, lipstick and blue colored hair in charge.

 

[DarthOne]

If they keep hating white males and anything conservative as Nazi or fascist it won't change and will continue to be politically motivated as they'll have he him her generals with a skirt, lipstick and blue colored hair in charge.

Good. It’ll be easier for us to crush them when the time comes.

 

[Zachowon]

Man if only the mikitary was focused on Russia and China...
Oh wait.

 

[WolfBear]

Gee, I can't imagine why actual American patriots might be reluctant to fight alongside or beneath people like this. Why, under Milley's tutelage I bet she and others with her qualifications will make General someday soon!

Maybe she can join the French Foreign Legion once she's done with her stint in the US military. Seriously. France is more pro-choice than the US is, after all. And they also have better food!

 

[Arch Dornan]

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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Purge purge.

 

[Cherico]

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Purge purge.

We are all just waiting for the moment when this all breaks and shatters.

Wish it wouldn't take this long but we all have to wait for the slowest horse to cross the finish line.

 

[DarthOne]

 

[Arch Dornan]

They want the navy to go vegan too?

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, fake meat is expected.

MREs sure do seem like they are not real food

 

[WolfBear]

I mean, fake meat is expected.

MREs sure do seem like they are not real food

You've never tried Marie Callender's? That tastes great; is the military's food much worse than that?

Fake meat also tastes pretty good. I just had some earlier today. Specifically one of these bad boys as a part of my breakfast:

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I'm am proudly omnivorous. Take that recycled cow manure and give me the cow!

 

[WolfBear]

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[The Whispering Monk]

 

[Captain X]

Yeah, feeding sailors massive amounts of soy will probably do wonderful things to them.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah, feeding sailors massive amounts of soy will probably do wonderful things to them.

Isn't there other alternatives besides Soy?
Tofu is one.

 

[Captain X]

Soy is the most common for the vegi-burgers that are trying to taste like real ones. Tofu basically has no flavor.