This isn't some civil war in bumfuckistan. This is a situation in the big boy's league, that's not something one can just ignore and write off as silly world policing.
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We literally have high school to flight school.
And pilots spend like idk, 2 years in total training before flying and that is before you include the 8 to 10 year guaranteed contract.
Like you have no choice in how long.
Enlisted pilots don't exist because you basically end up with a degree from the training or as a warrant.
Zero.
Do you know how likely it is that any will die to Russia in a war?
Low to very little because war is honestly unlikely.
And this is coming from me, a war momgee
And pilots spend like idk, 2 years in total training before flying and that is before you include the 8 to 10 year guaranteed contract.
Like you have no choice in how long.
Enlisted pilots don't exist because you basically end up with a degree from the training or as a warrant.
Do you knkw how many US service members have died in Ukraine?
Zero.
Do you know how likely it is that any will die to Russia in a war?
Low to very little because war is honestly unlikely.
And this is coming from me, a war momgee
No one is sending anyone US citizens to die in Ukraine, and implying as such is complete bullshit only fools are falling for.
This is also not some third world shithole we are talking about, this is a industrialized, modern nation being invaded by another of that type, and who is being assisted by foreign volunteers while training up it's own people.
How do people not get that Ukraine is not the sandbox, it is not demanding we send our troops to their nation to defend it, just asking for ammo and tech to keep their own people fighting, and frankly is undergoing a war of independence that is completely unlike Iraq or A-stan.
And do not forget, if Russia gets to keep anything it has been attempting to steal from Ukraine, it will try again in a decade and go for the whole thing. So if you don't want more people to die in another war a decade from now when Russia has recovered enough military capacity to try again, we have to support Ukraine enough that Russia is not able to keep anything it's stolen and is too broken militarily to do anything more than guard it's own internationally recognized borders.
bintananth
behind a desk
Two years in training before flying?
Sweetie, if I could pass the physical I could get a private pilots licence in less than two months.
Simonbob
Well-known member
Bullshit.
Modern? Seriously? Eh, I'm not sure why that matters, but whatever.
Now, from what little I can tell, there's no evidence of US troops in Ukraine right now. But the amount of money, tech and other support going to Ukraine while people in the US suffer?
Repeat after me. It's not the place of the US to Police the World.
And if you think otherwise, you go put your own life on the line. Plenty of volunteers, you could be one.
And why do you care?
Russia is a shithole, but so is Ukraine. Why do you care? Why should US money, tanks, etc, go to that? Why is the US even involved? Russia Bad? Sure. Are they a major threat to the US? No, unless they nuke, and you're making it ever more likely they get that desperate.
If you care about this more than what happens to the people of East Palestine, Ohio, ask yourself, why do you care what happens on the far side of the world more than what happens to your fellow Americans?
I'm really anti atomic war, thanks.
So let me put it this way.
We are making money off of Ukraine by supplying weapons to them.
Because people now wanna buy the stuff from us and defense companies only go to one country with thier money.
The US of A
Also, I can care for both my fellow Americans and what is going on in Europe.
In fact, easy solution.
Get rid if Medicare. Get rid of green policies we are enforcing.
Boom, there is plenty of money for the disaster in Ohio
Ukraine built the Slava class cruisers for the USSR, plus a lot of other ships in their shipyards, has the Kharkiv Tank Plant, had a large part of the Soviet space industry, has/had multiple heavy industries related to Soviet arms production and general infrastructure, and multiple foundries like Azovstol.
The idea Ukraine is some third world shithole is a fabrication created to gloss over the modern heavy industry, manufactuering, and shipbuilding Ukraine has done.
This isn't 'policing the world', this is helping Ukraine get true independence and be able to throw off Moscow's thumb for good.
That you don't understand the difference because you only care about the US tax dollars and equipment going there, and then throw that 'well, if you support them, go volunteer' bullshit (despite the fact Ukraine has closed off accepting foreign volunteers, with only pilots now being welcomed again), shows you are one of the fools who doesn't actually pay attention to what is happening on the ground and in geopolitics that doesn't fit your preferred narrative.
Plus, well, I have responsibilities at home I cannot just drop to satisfy your little fit of pique.
Because I understand geopolitics, understand the Russia is a rabid bear not a 'trad savior', and that no amount of domestic gripes at home in the US justify cutting aid to Ukraine when they have proven very capable fighters who actually are not a waste of time to train like the Afghans and Iraqis were.
Shit, the Ukrainain air defens folks who trained on Patriots had actual expereince shooting down live enemy missiles, something not a lot of US air defense folks had. So the Ukrainains teach us a bit too.
Again, Ukraine is not a shithole, and US aid is going to it, because if Russia is allowed to keep any of what they have tried to steal from Ukraine, they will try for more down the road. What we are doing by aiding Ukraine is making it so Russia doesn't get to try this shit again down the road, and help make sure Ukraine is able to defend itself far into the future as part of NATO (which is pretty much garuanteed to happen once Russian forces are removed from Ukraine at the conflict's end).
Also, Russia using nukes at all will turn it into a pariah, and even the CCP will not help them after that, because they will have just given every nation that fears invasion reason to have a public nuclear arsenal. The CCP does not want Taiwan, Japan, or South Korea going nuclear, and Russia breaking out even a tactical nuke would ensure that.
Nuclear blackmail only works if you let it, and Putin's own chain of command sabotaged his ability to use nukes a few months after the war began, because Shoigu doesn't want to end up a cloud of vapor, no matter how deluded Putin is.
Wonderful strawman you've built here, arguing that caring for Ukraine means I don't/can't care about East Palestine, or my country.
Which is just straight bullshit; it makes you look supremely foolish and just fucking dumb.
There won't be nuclear war over Ukraine, and thinking there will be is part of the nuclear blackmail/nuclear terrorism Russia has engaged in for years.
Russia threatens nukes over nearly everything, have since before the Wall fell, and yet here we are; shit, Russia threatened nukes over us sending Ukraine Javelins under Trump, yet no nukes flew.
Simonbob
Well-known member
Ok, seriously, I'm going to calm down a bit.
I don't really see why you think Russia is a big deal, but ok. Ukraine is, to your mind, important enough to put billions into, ok.
This is, I think, the most direct conflict between atomic states, and I see Putin getting ever more desperate. And when people like yourself push harder, I can only see more and more desperation from the elite of Russia.
I don't think any of this, including the extended run up over the past decade+ was worth the chance of somebody losing it, and the entire world suffering as a result.
Can you see that position? You think a desperate madman won't nuke the world? You think there isn't some nuke armed sub out there with a captain under far to much pressure? Some lower ranked trooper in some missile bunker, who blames the US for everything?
This while thing is an insane risk, while nobody except a few voices in the wilderness like me suggesting anything peaceful, and not poking ever more desperate people.
I don't really see why you think Russia is a big deal, but ok. Ukraine is, to your mind, important enough to put billions into, ok.
This is, I think, the most direct conflict between atomic states, and I see Putin getting ever more desperate. And when people like yourself push harder, I can only see more and more desperation from the elite of Russia.
I don't think any of this, including the extended run up over the past decade+ was worth the chance of somebody losing it, and the entire world suffering as a result.
Can you see that position? You think a desperate madman won't nuke the world? You think there isn't some nuke armed sub out there with a captain under far to much pressure? Some lower ranked trooper in some missile bunker, who blames the US for everything?
This while thing is an insane risk, while nobody except a few voices in the wilderness like me suggesting anything peaceful, and not poking ever more desperate people.
Yes, because unlike you I understand how the Russian nuclear chain of command works, and it's even more complicated than that of the US, and requires 3 people's ok, not 2 like the US, and one of those people is Shoigu.
Putin's insane, Shoigu and others aren't, and I expect push comes to shove someone on the inside is going to palace coup Putin and sue for a peaceful withdrawal of Russian forces that means they don't get HIMAR'd, HARM'd, JDAM'd, and Javelin'd out of existence during said withdrawal, in exchange for lessening of sanctions on Russia over time.
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Simonbob
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bintananth
behind a desk
How much do you know - how much is someone in your position supposed to know - about the extent to which the American nuclear weaponry is still functional?
Some people out there are saying.. that those warheads have not been replaced in a bit too long, Uncle Sam can no longer make Tritium, they've lost some other institutional knowledge, etc etc.
Simonbob
Well-known member
That works on Russia, too. But the chances that there are none? Or few enough to matter?
No, the whole thing is risky.
Getting back to the Thread subject, I'd guess the sorts of places where the military tend towards more rural areas. The political response to East Palestine, where Trump and some random Youtubers outspent and generally did more to help than the entire Federal Gov, while Pres Biden flew off to Ukraine with a massive multi-billion check might just make a few people think "I'm not sure I want to work for these guys"?
I'm not in the target demographic, but it'd piss me off.
bintananth
behind a desk
Remember, @Zachowon says he's 23 and enlisted. He ain't even a Staff Sergeant if what he says about his age is true. Take whatever he says about the Army with a healthy dose of scepticism.
Dude, I wanted to see him say that.
Does this really have to be another thread about Ukraine? We have plenty of those already.
@Zachowon, stop putting yourself in this position by trying to bring your job into it.
Stop trying to get him to dox himself.
@Zachowon, stop putting yourself in this position by trying to bring your job into it.
You do know you can be a SSG by 23 right?
And I have plenty of experience in the military. That's all that matters
Your right your right. Gotta take a breath and step back.
After I slept and all its better now.
bintananth
behind a desk
The 84 month time in service prerequisite says "no" unless it's a brevet rank or a Senate approved appointment.
This shows how much you know.
47 months TIS and 6 months TIG in secondary zone.
71 months TIS and 17 Minths TIG for primary
The 84 is mandatory integration list.