Britain UK government considers regulating loot boxes as gambling

Should lootboxes be regulated and/or banned?

  • Yes, I am a moral busybody and want to ban things I dont like because I dont like them

  • No, I like freedom and think this is stupid

  • I dont care and think both sides are wrong


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Lightershoulders

Just another, seeking.
Fate Grand Order. Pretty sure that game requires lootboxes to even play, and its pretty popular.

You keep using vague terms.

I don't believe you. If you don't even play (you not knowing), how can you call it popular?

So, all the company has to do is lie about their intent, and they're A-OK selling people twenty dollar fortune cookies with loot-codes inside.

Yes, yes it would legally speaking as long as you can cover your ass well enough. This is how a lot of economic sales work. You get promised one thing, and it turns out it's another.

Fix the laws and wording, and maybe that won't be a problem.
 

Isem

Well-known member
Its fairly easy to get banned from a lot of games.
Not as thoroughly as you can from gambling casinos. The government here for instance is working so you can self bar from all casinos not just the one. You also don't have age restrictions to even access the things in loot boxes' case. Fifa for instance gets aimed at young kids and has lootboxes in it. Additionally the government intervenes (page 28) to prevent gambling addicts from fucking themselves up. You don't see anything similar happening with loot boxes.

Which considering the lootboxes is you spending arguably just as much money for rewards that will vanish when the game inevitably goes under vs actual money you'll keep if the casino up and dies a day later I don't see why the same amount of protections shouldn't be afforded to people buying lootboxes.
 

Terthna

Professional Lurker
I'm not really interested in the semantic argument over whether or not lootboxes are technically gambling; regardless, they are exploitative by design, and ruin the lives of those with addictive personalities. We regulate gambling, we regulate alcohol, we regulate tobacco, we regulate every harmful vice in an attempt to try and make them less so; it makes sense that we should also do the same for lootboxes.

Also, nice job with the unbiased poll options there FriedCFour; I'm sure they won't poison the well.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Heh, I’m being reminded of all those scenes I see in some hentai where characters complain about losing a few thousand dollars trying to get a specific character
 

Hlaalu Agent

Nerevar going to let you down
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I am just confused how he thinks regulation of lootboxes is somehow a violation of freedom in general.

I would wager that it is perceived as a violation of the company's right to create the product as they wish, and that they are being held responsible for other people's irresponsibility? I don't really think it is, because it is obviously an attempt to squeeze more money out of products that have already been paid for. People should be able to enjoy the full product that they paid for, and only pay for extra content that expands on it. Like actual DLC or classic expansion packs.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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Some people are just anti-regulation in general; doesn't matter what the regulation is, they're against it. To be fair, such a mindset is understandable, considering how regulations have often been misapplied and misused to the detriment of all.

Indeed. And larger businesses can and do use them to crowd out competition or prevent smaller businesses from muscling in on their turf. Also can be seen with the flagrant abuse of lobbying by Disney to keep the mouse out of public domain.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Regulations or no, I guess we’ll need people to control themselves or say, keep their kids in check

Also, for those Gacha Games to maybe do something else to make it easier to get specific servants or gear rather than spending loads of money you don’t have
 

Hlaalu Agent

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Regulations or no, I guess we’ll need people to control themselves or say, keep their kids in check

Also, for those Gacha Games to maybe do something else to make it easier to get specific servants or gear rather than spending loads of money you don’t have

Some elements of the Gacha industry actually tried to do that and self regulate industry wide. But the effort died in the crib, though I think some companies still voluntarily self-regulate.
 

FriedCFour

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I am just confused how he thinks regulation of lootboxes is somehow a violation of freedom in general.
Of course it is. Its using the power of government to come in and handle something saying people are too impotent to handle their own issues and need bureaucrats invited in to be able to get them to stop spending their own money in ways that they apparently can't help themselves. We need to regulate everything because the lowest common denominators of society are too bad at managing themselves and their own lives so we have to make it so no one is allowed to do something. People with addictive personalities and no self control will, inevitably, ruin their lives and spend all their money on something. I am deeply opposed to regulating things to try and protect them because it is an inevitability and their responsibility to deal with, not for society to be molded around them to protect them. It's the same logic that gets us gun control, hate speech restrictions, knife control, licenses for everything, all that bullshit and my principles don't change just because they want to make something I personally detest illegal. The bar to legally ban something or severely regulate it remains extraordinarily high because I believe in the ability of people to be responsible and that it is on them to bear the consequences of their own decisions and actions.

we regulate every harmful vice in an attempt to try and make them less so; it makes sense that we should also do the same for lootboxes.
Except pokemon cards. Those toys from satan have been poisoning our youth for far too long. Seriously though, I still haven't gotten a satisfying answer as to why lootboxes are awful but like Magic isn't.

Also, nice job with the unbiased poll options there FriedCFour; I'm sure they won't poison the well.
Its a joke fam. The whole point is to poison the well in favor of my own position to the point of being ridiculous.
 
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Terthna

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Except pokemon cards. Those toys from satan have been poisoning our youth for far too long. Seriously though, I still haven't gotten a satisfying answer as to why lootboxes are awful but like Magic isn't.
Here's the thing; Magic is awful. It's just so niche that nobody cares. Also, I'd argue lootboxes are even worse, because at least with TCGs, you're exchanging money for things of value that actually exist. Because with lootboxes? You're giving them money for the chance to gain access to a particular line of code in a game that won't exist ten years down the line. Meanwhile, I could go on eBay right now, and get a decent price for my Alpha Shivan Dragon.
 

FriedCFour

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Here's the thing; Magic is awful. It's just so niche that nobody cares. Also, I'd argue lootboxes are even worse, because at least with TCGs, you're exchanging money for things of value that actually exist. Because with lootboxes? You're giving them money for the chance to gain access to a particular line of code in a game that won't exist ten years down the line. Meanwhile, I could go on eBay right now, and get a decent price for my Alpha Shivan Dragon.
Except that, again, by virtue of being real and valuable that makes it more like gambling not less. Do you choose to support regulation based on principles or feelings? Personally I go with principles, not just because I don't like that thing. Your justification for regulation has continually been that you don't like lootboxes and that too many games are using them, which to me seems largely feeling based.
 

Terthna

Professional Lurker
Except that, again, by virtue of being real and valuable that makes it more like gambling not less. Do you choose to support regulation based on principles or feelings? Personally I go with principles.
Is gambling the be all end all of vices for you? I already stated that I'm not going to let you drag me into an argument over semantics; because whether or not lootboxes are gambling is irrelevant. All that matter is that corporations are taking advantage of psychological weaknesses in their customers, in order to force them to spend more and more money; money that they often don't actually have to spend.
 

FriedCFour

PunishedCFour
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Is gambling the be all end all of vices for you? I already stated that I'm not going to let you drag me into an argument over semantics; because whether or not lootboxes are gambling is irrelevant. All that matter is that corporations are taking advantage of psychological weaknesses in their customers, in order to force them to spend more and more money; money that they often don't actually have to spend.
There is no gun being placed to anyones head, therefore there is no force. Its all choices. People are choosing to indulge in these vices, they don't like the outcomes of these choices, and so they blame everything but themselves and invite the government further into their own lives to let them know what they can and cant do because big brother knows best.
 

Lanmandragon

Well-known member
There is no gun being placed to anyones head, therefore there is no force. Its all choices. People are choosing to indulge in these vices, they don't like the outcomes of these choices, and so they blame everything but themselves and invite the government further into their own lives to let them know what they can and cant do because big brother knows best.
Personal responsibility is hard blaming others is easy.
 

Hlaalu Agent

Nerevar going to let you down
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There is no gun being placed to anyones head, therefore there is no force. Its all choices. People are choosing to indulge in these vices, they don't like the outcomes of these choices, and so they blame everything but themselves and invite the government further into their own lives to let them know what they can and cant do because big brother knows best.

Then the corporations can make the choice not to be scumbags by that same token, but they don't.
 

ShadowsOfParadox

Well-known member
Why would a kid have their own phone?
oh I dunno, maybe cus they get lost a bunch and phones have this neat called "GPS" that makes it easier to find them? Or maybe cus sometimes they stop talking and you'd damn well better have a way for them to readily get a hold of you that DOESN'T involve talking. Or maybe because they have a social life? Or a job? And in either case it makes them getting in touch with either of those things, or, you while involved in either of those things, easier.
As for "allowance" my kids earn thier money. I still supervise what they buy with it.
...Wow, apparently you are more helicopter than I thought.
 

FriedCFour

PunishedCFour
Founder
Then the corporations can make the choice not to be scumbags by that same token, but they don't.
Of course they can. But being a dick isn't illegal, and absolutely should not be. Don't like a company? Don't give them your money.

Wow, apparently you are more helicopter than I thought.
Better than letting a console raise your kids and then crying when it turns out you let them spend your rent money. Of course you should supervise what your kids buy.
 

Terthna

Professional Lurker
There is no gun being placed to anyones head, therefore there is no force. Its all choices. People are choosing to indulge in these vices, they don't like the outcomes of these choices, and so they blame everything but themselves and invite the government further into their own lives to let them know what they can and cant do because big brother knows best.
You understand nothing of psychology; or the benefits of regulation, when it's done right, for that matter. By your logic, con artists and fraudsters would never be punished, because it's not their fault someone managed to fall for their tricks.
 

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