Trump Investigations Thread

[LordsFire]

Most of the "crimes" we talk about Clinton and Biden doing are conspiracy theory bullshit. Some may have level of validity, like the Clinton email thing. It happened. No, it absolutely did not warrant jailtime, just as Trump's use of a private server did not. The email thing is a sensationalized political smear campaign. The result of that should have been an inter-organizational memo saying "Don't do that". For both of them.

I really am curious, as to why you think what Clinton did with that server does not merit jail time?

Deliberate evasion of rules on the handling of classified data, and destruction of evidence, seems like the sort of thing that would result in jail time to me.

 

[evilchumlee]

I really am curious, as to why you think what Clinton did with that server does not merit jail time?

Deliberate evasion of rules on the handling of classified data, and destruction of evidence, seems like the sort of thing that would result in jail time to me.

This is the perspective. Did this happen? OR did Clinton just use the private email server of her secure, multi-million dollar organization for work purposes because it was easier and then deleted emails as people tend to do? I'm sure i've deleted way more than 30,000 emails, probably in the last year or two. (I get an absolutely insane amount of emails at work)

Because... it WAS investigated, and that was essentially the findings. There was no intentional wrongdoing, no attempt to obstruct justice. There was an improper use of a private email for government work purposes, and a bunch of emails deleted mistakenly that shouldn't have been.

It's REALLY not anywhere even close to jail worthy. It shouldn't have even been news worthy.

 

[DarthOne]

If the left got a tenth of the bad treatment the right currently gets we all know he would get histerically angry and enraged. When the worm turns though it will be far more then a tenth.

If it ever does.

I’m just saying that history is filled with a lot of groups and whatnot that believed that one day soon things would turn around for them and they’d win against their enemies. But it didn’t work out like that.

 

[LordsFire]

This is the perspective. Did this happen? OR did Clinton just use the private email server of her secure, multi-million dollar organization for work purposes because it was easier and then deleted emails as people tend to do? I'm sure i've deleted way more than 30,000 emails, probably in the last year or two. (I get an absolutely insane amount of emails at work)

Because... it WAS investigated, and that was essentially the findings. There was no intentional wrongdoing, no attempt to obstruct justice. There was an improper use of a private email for government work purposes, and a bunch of emails deleted mistakenly that shouldn't have been.

It's REALLY not anywhere even close to jail worthy. It shouldn't have even been news worthy.

"She absolutely broke the law, but we've decided this doesn't count, because she didn't mean to break the law."

You are so down the rabbit hole of leftist propaganda, that truth is staring you directly in the face, but you won't recognize what it is.


FYI, if someone not as powerful as Clinton did similar things with classified documents, standard procedure is security clearance gets revoked, they get fired, and charges usually follow, even if it was done accidentally.

This is absolutely evidence of political favoritism, you simply choose not to recognize it as such.

 

[Vyor]

I'm sure i've deleted way more than 30,000 emails, probably in the last year or two. (I get an absolutely insane amount of emails at work)

She literally had people burning hard drives and using bleachbit on them.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

If they have something on Biden, go get him.

That's the point, we CAN'T b/c the DOJ won't do it. They are completely bent and motivated to only go after certain people if even the barest hint of criminality exists.

Because... it WAS investigated, and that was essentially the findings. There was no intentional wrongdoing, no attempt to obstruct justice. There was an improper use of a private email for government work purposes, and a bunch of emails deleted mistakenly that shouldn't have been.

It's really simple. She was investigated. The crime was committed. However,...

"She absolutely broke the law, but we've decided this doesn't count, because she didn't mean to break the law."

THAT ^^^^ was the actual quote delivered by the DOJ to Congress.

What's really interesting about this specific law...there is absolutely NO REQUIREMENT for 'intent to break the law'.

All you need it the wrong doing. AT A BARE MINIMUM, this requires that you have any/all access to classified information revoked, and that you stand trial to determine the level of punishment.

This is the way it's done, been done, and likely will be done for ANY other level of govt. employee.

IF Clinton had been part of the DOD, she would have been sentenced to Ft. Leavenworth, been given a dishonorable discharge, and sent packing once released from prison.

THIS IS WHY I am so pissed that she was treated this way. It goes directly against ALL precedent of prosecution for these crimes.

 

[Cherico]

If it ever does.

I’m just saying that history is filled with a lot of groups and whatnot that believed that one day soon things would turn around for them and they’d win against their enemies. But it didn’t work out like that.

The left is working real hard to create entire generations of emasculated, resentful humilated males that have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain by torching the whole thing.

That is not a stable foundation for power that is a seething mass of rage just looking for any leader who will make anything better. The right as is now? Its not able or willing to tap into that. But sooner or later some one will use that instant army.

 

[Zachowon]

Because there's no accusations, that I am aware of, of it being used to pass Classified information. This is the core issue with the Clinton servers, there IS evidence that it was used to pass Classified information AND in order to prevent proper investigation of how much, Clinton had the servers and more importantly the hard drives of them wiped and destroyed. Normally when people destroy evidence that is subject to an ongoing investigation (and these were destroyed while they were under investigation) it is assumed that the evidence would have been damning (the destruction of evidence is itself a crime on top of it all).

Using a private email account that goes through a private server while working for the Federal government isn't a crime, and won't ever be. Even arranging some official business on private accounts isn't, so long as those emails are later entered into the record (oh, and FYI this is ANOTHER failing of Clinton's, we know she used her private emails for doing official business BUT never entered them into public records*). The only thing that you can't use private email for is the transmission of classified information, to transmit that you MUST use a properly cleared government email service (which, FYI, isn't even the regular government email, basic government emails are only cleared for Sensitive But Unclassified date, Classified Data MUST go through special email on a special secured network).

The media completely mishandled how they reported on the Clinton email server scandal. They made it about having a private server, but it wasn't really about that, it was about the mishandling of classified information. And they can't even say that can't report well on that issue, because they've managed to make it clear about those issues when it comes to Trump even though what Trump did is considerably less of a security risk than what Clinton did.

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* FYI this isn't an onerous processes. Simply including your government email on the CC line of an email you're sending from your private account as official business is enough to fulfil this requirement. She didn't even do that, which is pretty much prima facta evidence that she was attempting to CONCEAL what she was doing from public view and information requests.

He'll, going from classified to classified network of a higher class from a lower class is a pain in the ass!!

 

[DarthOne]

He'll, going from classified to classified network of a higher class from a lower class is a pain in the ass!!

That is one of the few things you’ve said on this site that I can honestly believe without hesitation.

 

[S'task]

That is one of the few things you’ve said on this site that I can honestly believe without hesitation.

And you should. While you might suspect him for his opinions, one thing that's likely been driven into him (as it has been to me) is the proper handling of classified data. I have an annual refresher course I am mandated to take, and the worst I handle is SBU. Given his stated position, I suspect he has AT LEAST an annual refresher course on the handling and disposal of classified information, if not more frequently, as he likely is much more likely to handle classified information than I am.

 

[Zachowon]

And you should. While you might suspect him for his opinions, one thing that's likely been driven into him (as it has been to me) is the proper handling of classified data. I have an annual refresher course I am mandated to take, and the worst I handle is SBU. Given his stated position, I suspect he has AT LEAST an annual refresher course on the handling and disposal of classified information, if not more frequently, as he likely is much more likely to handle classified information than I am.

So much fucking training.
I have at least 10 mandatory training for my job alone to have access to most things.
And that is just on high side, not including the unclassified stuff

 

[Cherico]

So much fucking training.
I have at least 10 mandatory training for my job alone to have access to most things.
And that is just on high side, not including the unclassified stuff

If some one is ever just plain wrong about something on this sight and you have proof about it but its classified for the love of god just ignore the idiot.

 

[Rocinante]

This is the perspective. Did this happen? OR did Clinton just use the private email server of her secure, multi-million dollar organization for work purposes because it was easier and then deleted emails as people tend to do? I'm sure i've deleted way more than 30,000 emails, probably in the last year or two. (I get an absolutely insane amount of emails at work)

Because... it WAS investigated, and that was essentially the findings. There was no intentional wrongdoing, no attempt to obstruct justice. There was an improper use of a private email for government work purposes, and a bunch of emails deleted mistakenly that shouldn't have been.

It's REALLY not anywhere even close to jail worthy. It shouldn't have even been news worthy.

They literally destroyed cell phones and ran programs on the hard drives to write zeros, which overwrites anything on the drive so that it can't be recovered.

This is not normal deletion of emails. You don't do this in normal day to day activity. This is BLATANT destruction of evidence. And was done AFTER she was caught.

You're either a moron, or so absorbed into propaganda that you really didn't know, or a liar.

Which is it?

 

[DarthOne]

So much fucking training.
I have at least 10 mandatory training for my job alone to have access to most things.
And that is just on high side, not including the unclassified stuff

I’d like to second this please. We don’t need a Warthunder Forums situation.

If some one is ever just plain wrong about something on this sight and you have proof about it but its classified for the love of god just ignore the idiot.

 

[Zachowon]

If some one is ever just plain wrong about something on this sight and you have proof about it but its classified for the love of god just ignore the idiot.

I’d like to second this please. We don’t need a Warthunder Forums situation.

I am not stupid

 

[Rocinante]

I am not stupid

Debatable 🤣

 

[evilchumlee]

You're either a moron, or so absorbed into propaganda that you really didn't know, or a liar.

Which is it?

So remember when everyone was all like "we don't take you seriously because you say people are in a cult"...

I see how it is here.

Agree with something? Objective truth.
Disagree? Leftist propaganda, or just a moron.

There's no point.

 

[Rocinante]

So remember when everyone was all like "we don't take you seriously because you say people are in a cult"...

I see how it is here.

Agree with something? Objective truth.
Disagree? Leftist propaganda, or just a moron.

There's no point.

This isn't an agree or disagree thing.

She did those things. Fact.

You didn't know about it, or you did and lied. Fact.

So did you lie, or did you not know about it because you've only been absorbing propaganda from the left?

 

[evilchumlee]

This isn't an agree or disagree thing.

She did those things. Fact.

Are they actually facts? And they actually mean what you have to been led to believe?

Her aides, not Clinton, would break old devices and such with hammers... the explanation being that they thought it would be better to destroy them rather than just throw them away.

Do you actually understand the facts, or have you only been absorbing propaganda from the right?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Her aides, not Clinton, would break old devices and such with hammers... the explanation being that they thought it would be better to destroy them rather than just throw them away.

It's also illegal to destroy govt. communications, even if they aren't classified.