The War in Afghanistan

[VictortheMonarch]

And also allow those Afghans who don't want to live under Taliban rule to move to other countries, whether to Western countries, to other Muslim countries, or somewhere else. No one should be forced to live under the brutal Taliban.

I miss the point of where that's our problem. We need to get our shit together before we decide to go bumbling in places where we cause more problems for the people there than necessary. Yes the Taliban is brutal, but when we were there, we destroyed more houses, and killed more civilians that the Taliban did on average. Our Military sucks ass and can't tell a car full of children from a car full of terrorist. Or did you forget how Milley turned the Afghan population against America when he bombed a car filled to the brim with schoolyard children? America is in shambles, and it isn't getting much better.

 

[Zachowon]

I miss the point of where that's our problem. We need to get our shit together before we decide to go bumbling in places where we cause more problems for the people there than necessary. Yes the Taliban is brutal, but when we were there, we destroyed more houses, and killed more civilians that the Taliban did on average. Our Military sucks ass and can't tell a car full of children from a car full of terrorist. Or did you forget how Milley turned the Afghan population against America when he bombed a car filled to the brim with schoolyard children? America is in shambles, and it isn't getting much better.

Do you know how hard it is to tell the occupants of a car froma drone? Ot depends on the angle the drone is is, the time of day, if they were told to confirm target or were told to pull trigger by someone higher etc etc

 

[Marduk]

And also allow those Afghans who don't want to live under Taliban rule to move to other countries, whether to Western countries, to other Muslim countries, or somewhere else. No one should be forced to live under the brutal Taliban.

As you saw from Afghan's disappointing level of resistance to Taliban takeover, they seem mostly ambivalent towards their rule. It is, however a common sentiment among Afghans (and most other people) that they don't want to live in a poor country, which is the only kind of country the Taliban can organize.
And i don't see why the west should consider that mess its own headache. Let Afghan's neighbors deal with Afghans and the headaches they bring with themselves. Especially Pakistan, which has always sheltered and assisted the Taliban.
If Afghans don't like the Taliban, they can feel free to start fighting them. Its not like they don't have any guns or Taliban are some kind of unstoppable fighting force with top of the line equipment and training.

 

[King Arts]

And also allow those Afghans who don't want to live under Taliban rule to move to other countries, whether to Western countries, to other Muslim countries, or somewhere else. No one should be forced to live under the brutal Taliban.

Taking in Muslim refugees is a bad idea look at Europe. Now I’m not heartless if they were non Muslims and publicly claimed as such then I would support bringing them in under probation for a 4 year term. If the commit a serious felony under that time rape murder drug dealing send them back. If they stay clean give them a green card.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

Do you know how hard it is to tell the occupants of a car froma drone? Ot depends on the angle the drone is is, the time of day, if they were told to confirm target or were told to pull trigger by someone higher etc etc

This wasn't a on the go drone strike, it was a pre-planed drone strike. They had the ability to investigate whether children were in the vehicle or if terrorist were in the vehicle, and they chose to simply not do so. It is the people who ordered a drone strike that need to face the consequences of their actions.

Besides that, even if it was a on the go drone strike, where they had little to no time to research anything, they should had ignored it. Afghanistan is no longer our problem, if ISIS is in their nation, then that's their problem, not ours. We are not a police force, we are a people half a world away.

 

[Zachowon]

This wasn't a on the go drone strike, it was a pre-planed drone strike. They had the ability to investigate whether children were in the vehicle or if terrorist were in the vehicle, and they chose to simply not do so. It is the people who ordered a drone strike that need to face the consequences of their actions.

Besides that, even if it was a on the go drone strike, where they had little to no time to research anything, they should had ignored it. Afghanistan is no longer our problem, if ISIS is in their nation, then that's their problem, not ours. We are not a police force, we are a people half a world away.

You serve?
Do you know what it takes to target and how many things were thrown aside for the political strike this was?

 

[Captain X]

It's a laughable excuse and you really should stop pushing it. It really reeks in general of just failing to live up to the Core Values that not only has no one stood up and taken responsibility for this mistake (which is a sign nothing will be done to prevent others like it from continuing to happen), but lame excuses keep getting made for it. "Integrity First" was pretty important to me and continues to be too this day.

 

[Zachowon]

I am just telling you how it is.
It was thrown together without all the proper targeting procedures

 

[Captain X]

So there was fault there and someone should have some integrity and admit to it.

 

[Zachowon]

So there was fault there and someone should have some integrity and admit to it.

Those that should are the ones that wont.

 

[WolfBear]

Taking in Muslim refugees is a bad idea look at Europe. Now I’m not heartless if they were non Muslims and publicly claimed as such then I would support bringing them in under probation for a 4 year term. If the commit a serious felony under that time rape murder drug dealing send them back. If they stay clean give them a green card.

Yeah, FWIW, I'm in favor of being very selective with the kind of Muslim refugees that the West takes in. Again, the Persians over here in southern California have managed to assimilate very well. But they probably largely consist of the Persian middle- and upper-classes. Taking in working-class Muslim refugees probably isn't the best idea, at least not unless they're feminists or gay or something like that. And of course any Muslim refugee who supports murdering people over Muhammad cartoons should be resettled in other Muslim countries, not in the West.

And Yes, Europe did have a serious problem with bad behavior from some of its Afghan refugees:

I've Worked with Refugees for Decades. Europe's Afghan Crime Wave Is Mind-Boggling.

Afghans stand out among the refugees committing crimes in Austria and elsewhere. Why?

nationalinterest.org

Ironically, the fall of the Taliban might result in an improvement in the quality of the Afghan refugees who will want to move to the West. Beforehand, Afghanistan's smart people often stayed and tried to improve their own country. Now, with Taliban rule, that's no longer an option for many of them due to the risk of death and/or imprisonment if they will permanently stay in Afghanistan.

 

[WolfBear]

I miss the point of where that's our problem. We need to get our shit together before we decide to go bumbling in places where we cause more problems for the people there than necessary. Yes the Taliban is brutal, but when we were there, we destroyed more houses, and killed more civilians that the Taliban did on average. Our Military sucks ass and can't tell a car full of children from a car full of terrorist. Or did you forget how Milley turned the Afghan population against America when he bombed a car filled to the brim with schoolyard children? America is in shambles, and it isn't getting much better.

Frankly, restoring the Afghan monarchy in 2001-2002 and then quickly getting out was probably the best option for us. Would have been easier to do if Bin Laden would have already been killed, though.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

Frankly, restoring the Afghan monarchy in 2001-2002 and then quickly getting out was probably the best option for us. Would have been easier to do if Bin Laden would have already been killed, though.

Agreed. Now the head of their house is too old, and his heir isn't looking to be Monarch material.

 

[Blasterbot]

Those that should are the ones that wont.

and that is the issue. there is no one to blame for the mistake. if it were some grunt they would be fed to the press, dragged through the courts, and demonized appropriately as an evil racist alt right nazi. if it is someone in good standing with those in power the are protected at the tax payer's expense. any attempt to examine the chain of command and who made the bad call so we can determine how to reduce issues in the future can only have a malicious and nefarious intent behind it.

 

[WolfBear]

Agreed. Now the head of their house is too old, and his heir isn't looking to be Monarch material.

He could have abdicated in favor of someone else who is more competent. But Yeah, now we won't be getting a second chance with this unless the Taliban regime will somehow eventually experience an internal implosion or something.

The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 REALLY screwed over the country for more than the next 40 years!

 

[Chiron]

And also allow those Afghans who don't want to live under Taliban rule to move to other countries, whether to Western countries, to other Muslim countries, or somewhere else. No one should be forced to live under the brutal Taliban.

Or maybe they could pick up guns, commit 100% to victory or death and fight for the country they envision Afghanistan could be?

Because what real obligation do we have for them if they can't get their shit together?

 

[WolfBear]

Or maybe they could pick up guns, commit 100% to victory or death and fight for the country they envision Afghanistan could be?

Because what real obligation do we have for them if they can't get their shit together?

Why be a martyr when you don't have to be?

 

[King Arts]

Yeah, FWIW, I'm in favor of being very selective with the kind of Muslim refugees that the West takes in. Again, the Persians over here in southern California have managed to assimilate very well. But they probably largely consist of the Persian middle- and upper-classes. Taking in working-class Muslim refugees probably isn't the best idea, at least not unless they're feminists or gay or something like that. And of course any Muslim refugee who supports murdering people over Muhammad cartoons should be resettled in other Muslim countries, not in the West.

And Yes, Europe did have a serious problem with bad behavior from some of its Afghan refugees:

I've Worked with Refugees for Decades. Europe's Afghan Crime Wave Is Mind-Boggling.

Afghans stand out among the refugees committing crimes in Austria and elsewhere. Why?

nationalinterest.org

Ironically, the fall of the Taliban might result in an improvement in the quality of the Afghan refugees who will want to move to the West. Beforehand, Afghanistan's smart people often stayed and tried to improve their own country. Now, with Taliban rule, that's no longer an option for many of them due to the risk of death and/or imprisonment if they will permanently stay in Afghanistan.

Uhh no liberals are the greatest problem in the west I’d rather we let in Jihadis than gays and feminists who will poison this country.
Also your hope for better refugees is misplaced the side that America supported was rife with homosexual pedophiles while the Taliban killed people that took part in pederasty. So no we’d get the same level of shit unless we are public about our controls. Demand a public denouncement of Islam(that way if they go back it would be a death sentence) then put them on probation before giving a permanent green card. You also have to be willing to deport them back to certain death when the refugees do a “sexual emergency”.

 

[WolfBear]

Uhh no liberals are the greatest problem in the west I’d rather we let in Jihadis than gays and feminists who will poison this country.
Also your hope for better refugees is misplaced the side that America supported was rife with homosexual pedophiles while the Taliban killed people that took part in pederasty. So no we’d get the same level of shit unless we are public about our controls. Demand a public denouncement of Islam(that way if they go back it would be a death sentence) then put them on probation before giving a permanent green card. You also have to be willing to deport them back to certain death when the refugees do a “sexual emergency”.

Send the rapists over to Pakistan!

 

[King Arts]

Send the rapists over to Pakistan!

But the liberals want them to culturally enrich western nations.