Yeah but China will be the ones and are stupid enough to think they are better then the US in dealing with yhe Taliban
The War in Afghanistan
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King Arts
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I doubt it. Unlike Russia that wanted to make new communists or America which wanted to make people there liberal democrats. The Chinese don’t want to convert the people to anything they just want access to the land. If it’s to much of a pain they could just kill every human within 100 miles or f their pipeline and they would win.
And the Taliban hide in the mountains and laugh
King Arts
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That would be ok with China, if the mountains are over 100 miles away they can't damage the infrastructure. The Chinese if they are smart would be better overlords than the Americans because they won't impose their own values on the locals the locals can worship whatever they want.
That's hilarious. Of course they'd impose their values.
You do know all the stuff China has to use goes through the mountains of A-Stan right?
The Taliban can attack the assets, then hide, like they have been doing against the US for 20 years.
This too. China always instils its values
Bear Ribs
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Or in other words the 'nation building' years in A-stan were a complete and utter waste of time, money, and lives.
A-stan should have been a punitive expedition, but those don't feed DoD, Raytheon, Lockhart, or Boeing stock prices or pension funds.
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We literally changed how we fought and used it to create vehicles that sre better then the Humvee. Use it to see how we can adapt and change.
And the nation building was because we had to make things democracy related
Aka, A-stan was a giant proving ground/testing exercise/money laundering scam to move taxpayer funds into mil-indust stock and pensions with a fig leaf of 'building Democracy' to cover for PR purposes.
King Arts
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I doubt it, but if they did that would make them pretty stupid for repeating the same mistake the Americans, and Russians did.
Did you not hear what I said about a 100 mile exclusion zone? If an entire area is covered by drones, or filled with poison gas insurgents won't be able to sneak up on it. Like honestly 100 miles is a lot of ground to cover, doing a hit and run like that isn't impossible but ridiculously hard.
Also what is your basis for thinking that the Chinese will always install their values? This isn't Mao's China they aren't true believers in socialism, they want to increase China's power, they don't care about the internal affairs of other nations as long as those internal affairs won't make them hostile to Chinese interests. Like China won't try to convince it's Muslim vassals to adopt state atheism, or not make women property, or not kill gays. The Chinese will allow all that because it does not affect them.
Well the Chinese want Tibet part of China, so they have to make the people there Chinese. An Afghanistan that is a vassal to China can still be a Muslim theocracy.
Umm not really your bosses tried to give equal rights to women, tried to make things secular, tried to make equality under the law. You don't care if the Muslims were secular like modern liberal Christians. But you definitely don't like actual Muslims who practice their religion.
Bear Ribs
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Tibetan Buddhists, Uighers, Falun Gong, Huis, current and ongoing persecution of Catholics and Protestants...
The War on Religion in China - International Christian Concern
Over the past few years, we have only seen the persecution of Christians and other religious minorities increase in China.
www.persecution.org
You're literally talking about a nation that still has bible burnings. Basic pattern recognition is the basis for thinking they will most likely instill their values in areas they control because they have constantly done so.
King Arts
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Tibetan Buddhists, Uighers, Falun Gong, Huis, current and ongoing persecution of Catholics and Protestants...
The War on Religion in China - International Christian Concern
Over the past few years, we have only seen the persecution of Christians and other religious minorities increase in China.
You're literally talking about a nation that still has bible burnings. Basic pattern recognition is the basis for thinking they will most likely instill their values in areas they control because they have constantly done so.
Hmm ok you convinced me fuck China.
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it took you this long? Lord help us.
Bassoe
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Plus, we're talking about wahhabists here. If the past few decades have proven anything, it's that once a critical mass of wahhabists are present within a society, said society will either be a wahhabist theocracy, in a constant state of guerilla civil warfare on account of wahhabists trying to transform it into a wahhabist theocracy or a dictatorship ruthless and powerful enough to crush said wahhabist guerillas.
Explains a lot about why wannabe dictators like importing wahhabists, their inevitable attacks provide justification for increased authoritarianism and are usually targeted at random plebeians who can't afford private security rather than the ones importing them.
King Arts
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I literally do not care about wars for empire. All things being equal the national struggle for power between nations like Germany and England, America vs China etc does not affect me. If America maintains hegemony in Taiwan for example most common people in the world won’t benefit one way or another. Who cares about the price of tea in China. Now I do care for my fellow brothers in faith so if some group is actively persecuting Christian’s now not in the past but now then I would support limiting that nations power. Taiwan is not a Christian nation but there are ethnic Chinese living in Taiwan who are Christians. If the CCP still in the modern day persecutes Christians now not in the past when Maowas in charge then yes we need to make sure that China does not manage to get control over more land where Christians live.
And also allow those Afghans who don't want to live under Taliban rule to move to other countries, whether to Western countries, to other Muslim countries, or somewhere else. No one should be forced to live under the brutal Taliban.