The War in Afghanistan

[Marduk]

Because of leftists trying to westernize A-san during the time we were there

But that's not even an effective way to do it. From what i've read, it was plain grift for money by NGOs and the like. There aren't that many places that will pay for Floyd murals, while there is a metric shitton of NGOs and such who would want to be paid for silly things like that.
So what that its in Afghanistan? The important thing is that the dollars are American.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Don't afghanistans have a really intense dislike of african people anyway?

 

[Circle of Willis]

Don't afghanistans have a really intense dislike of african people anyway?

That's a general MENA + Asian thing. Arabs in the MENA region are generally pretty contemptuous of Africans, if they don't outright consider the latter to be animals worthy only of slavery or death (as they blatantly do in, say, Libya or Sudan). The East Asian peoples are pretty nationalistic and not known to be very positively disposed toward black people either, to say the least. To my understanding, black people in Central Asia are so rare that they're more likely to get treated as a curiosity rather than being spat upon, but even so it's not hard to wear out your welcome there and I can think of fewer ways to do so than to act like an aggrieved SJ activist.

Anyway, Afghanistan isn't so much a country as it is a bunch of ethnic groups who hate each other's guts boxed into a particular set of lines left over from the colonial period - the Taliban for example have a reputation for being a mostly Pashtun, southern Afghanistan-based movement on top of being Sunni fundamentalists, and consequently hold a special hatred for the Shiite, Turko-Mongol Hazara minority living in the north (they got a bit of notoriety prior to the 2001 invasion by sacking Mazar-i Sharif and massacring thousands of Hazara there after capturing it from the Northern Alliance). The average Afghan Tajik villager couldn't be expected to care for the Hazara one province over or the cosmopolitan youth of Kabul (hence why the Taliban made big inroads into their northeastern corner of A-stan, which used to be the Northern Alliance's redoubt, fairly early on), only a complete idiot would sincerely expect him to bother caring about George Floyd.

But then I suppose these NGOs are full of such idiots who think reality works the way their favorite TV show does, if they aren't just cynical grifting parasites aware that they aren't making any change but happy to separate credulous hipsters & wine aunts from their money. It's the only reason I can think of as to why anyone thought injecting American racial-resentment politics into that hot mess, where neighbors already hate neighbors plenty based on preexisting ethnic lines and will continue to do so for centuries to come, could possibly bring about any improvement or accomplish anything beyond weirding out/pissing off the locals.

 

[Bacle]

$10 says it was Pakistan.

Edit: further reading:

 

[Terthna]

$10 says it was Pakistan.

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This is news to people? This is what happens with drone strikes; collateral damage and false positives are par for the course. It's why I oppose the practice altogether; it just doesn't work a lot of the time, and kills way too many innocent people.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

$10 says it was Pakistan.

Edit: further reading:

I won't take that bet, because it's a sure loss. Pakistan was playing the Yankees from the very beginning, and by the time they knew it, it was too late.

Now the Americans need the Pakis as a counterweight against their unstable nuclear neighbour and to stop them from becoming a Chinese puppet. That might destabilise the ME AND give China their Silk Road in a hand basket.

Next time, those ones should think before they leap (into another unstable warzone).

 

[ATP]

i read interesting theory about widrawal/forget where/.

Basically,Biden did it becouse swamp wonted it.And why they wonted Taliban taking over ? first,people in USA would told less about stolen election,second - they made deal with Talibans so they stop hunting heroine and sell it to USA,where swamp and taliban would take money from it.
And it would be good pretext to remove Biden and replace him with Kamala,who would play good cop to american public.

Dunno,if it had any sense or no.

 

[Marduk]

i read interesting theory about widrawal/forget where/.

Basically,Biden did it becouse swamp wonted it.And why they wonted Taliban taking over ? first,people in USA would told less about stolen election,second - they made deal with Talibans so they stop hunting heroine and sell it to USA,where swamp and taliban would take money from it.
And it would be good pretext to remove Biden and replace him with Kamala,who would play good cop to american public.

Dunno,if it had any sense or no.

That's silly. Taliban takeover was just a matter of time as soon as US has withdrawn, no matter who was in office or what else they did. No sufficient US support = ANA collapses = Taliban takeover.

I won't take that bet, because it's a sure loss. Pakistan was playing the Yankees from the very beginning, and by the time they knew it, it was too late.

Now the Americans need the Pakis as a counterweight against their unstable nuclear neighbour and to stop them from becoming a Chinese puppet. That might destabilise the ME AND give China their Silk Road in a hand basket.

Next time, those ones should think before they leap (into another unstable warzone).

How can you prevent something that has already happened? Its just a waste of resources.
The whole strategy would rely on the slow thinkers in Washington to not observe that they are a Chinese puppet already, effectively allowing Pakistan to double dip support.
Which unfortunately is what they may roll with. Much like the Taliban, they have realised that for the west, gestures, statements and appearances matter as much, if not more, than the facts on the ground. So they devise a simple strategy to double dip - say what one side wants to hear and be happy with it, but do what the other side who doesn't care about appearances wants. Everyone's happy.

The simple fact is that if Pakistan played for both teams in conflict vs freaking Taliban, how can they be considered a remotely reliable ally vs China, who has massive political, economic and military leverage over Pakistan? Consider who makes the bulk of Pakistan's new military hardware. With allies like this, you don't even need enemies, because they will provide those if needed.

 

[ATP]

That's silly. Taliban takeover was just a matter of time as soon as US has withdrawn, no matter who was in office or what else they did. No sufficient US support = ANA collapses = Taliban takeover.

How can you prevent something that has already happened? Its just a waste of resources.
The whole strategy would rely on the slow thinkers in Washington to not observe that they are a Chinese puppet already, effectively allowing Pakistan to double dip support.
Which unfortunately is what they may roll with. Much like the Taliban, they have realised that for the west, gestures, statements and appearances matter as much, if not more, than the facts on the ground. So they devise a simple strategy to double dip - say what one side wants to hear and be happy with it, but do what the other side who doesn't care about appearances wants. Everyone's happy.

The simple fact is that if Pakistan played for both teams in conflict vs freaking Taliban, how can they be considered a remotely reliable ally vs China, who has massive political, economic and military leverage over Pakistan? Consider who makes the bulk of Pakistan's new military hardware. With allies like this, you don't even need enemies, because they will provide those if needed.

1.You are probably right,that it was silly.

2.Pakistani are doing what every smart corrupted goverment would do.I do not blame them,or China.But where was USA secret services ? there must be some competent people there,right ? and they certainly get more money then chineese secret services.Even if they all are uncompetent wokes they should be able to do something with that kind of support.

 

[Marduk]

1.You are probably right,that it was silly.

2.Pakistani are doing what every smart corrupted goverment would do.I do not blame them,or China.But where was USA secret services ? there must be some competent people there,right ? and they certainly get more money then chineese secret services.Even if they all are uncompetent wokes they should be able to do something with that kind of support.

Oh the military and intelligence people know. Hell, anyone in the public with two brain cells to rub together knows - just read a book, news, or consider where the hell OBL got caught.
Its just the diplomats, politicians and other policymakers who pretend Pakistan's piss falling on them is rain. At least in public.
Behind the scenes? Perhaps they are at least saying something. Or not, considering that they are democrats. As far as doing something goes, well, the lefties would not forgive them the implied islamophobia, and many others would shit their pants at the very idea of playing serious brinkmanship with even a weak nuclear power.
There is also a very suspicious link to Pakistan when it comes to DNC hacks few years back, so who knows what kind of dirt does Pakistani intelligence have on influential DNC figures, that could also explain things.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

The simple fact is that if Pakistan played for both teams in conflict vs freaking Taliban, how can they be considered a remotely reliable ally vs China, who has massive political, economic and military leverage over Pakistan? Consider who makes the bulk of Pakistan's new military hardware. With allies like this, you don't even need enemies, because they will provide those if needed.

Since when has China dealt with loyal allies? At this point, you can rattle beijing more just by being honorable. They will tear themselves apart trying to work out what your "game" is.

Anyways, do not depend too much on Pakistan tricking China. The CCP has played against the Soviets and Yankees. Pakistan ain't nothing. Hell, India keeps blasting Pakistan's ass and China barely even takes India seriously.

 

[ATP]

Since when has China dealt with loyal allies? At this point, you can rattle beijing more just by being honorable. They will tear themselves apart trying to work out what your "game" is.

Anyways, do not depend too much on Pakistan tricking China. The CCP has played against the Soviets and Yankees. Pakistan ain't nothing. Hell, India keeps blasting Pakistan's ass and China barely even takes India seriously.

Both Birma and Malaya seems as loyal China allies.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

You know, what with the recent commemoration of the 9/11 attacks, and seeing footage of those planes go in and people jump from the windows, why was America at all interested in nation building? Any military action in the Middle East should have been totally punitive in my view.

 

[Marduk]

You know, what with the recent commemoration of the 9/11 attacks, and seeing footage of those planes go in and people jump from the windows, why was America at all interested in nation building? Any military action in the Middle East should have been totally punitive in my view.

Because an openly punitive military operation, especially against a poor non western country, is not something the current media and political establishment, nevermind UN, would roll with.
It is telling that WW2 style strategic bombing of cities was last used by US forces during Korean War on large scale, and in Vietnam War in rather limited and occasional manner.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Because an openly punitive military operation, especially against a poor non western country, is not something the current media and political establishment, nevermind UN, would roll with.
It is telling that WW2 style strategic bombing of cities was last used by US forces during Korean War on large scale, and in Vietnam War in rather limited and occasional manner.

The United States is the world superpower. The UN is its pet. And if the media are so foolish as to support the enemy, then let them receive a traitor's reward.

 

[Zachowon]

The United States is the world superpower. The UN is its pet. And if the media are so foolish as to support the enemy, then let them receive a traitor's reward.

Because CNN has always been against the people.
If we just went to A-stan to take out Osama, the media would say we are invading a innocent country.
Say we are going to take out Osama and bring freedom, they cheer

 

[Marduk]

The United States is the world superpower. The UN is its pet. And if the media are so foolish as to support the enemy, then let them receive a traitor's reward.

But it doesn't act that way, neither to the UN nor its own media elites, NGO activists and the like, and has too little public support for acting this way.
Consider the outrage, domestic and international, when Trump has shown just a slight hint of such attitude.

Trump Cuts UN Budget by $285 Million; Step in “Right Direction” - The New American

After dispatching a fringe United Nations bureaucrat to investigate "extreme poverty" in the richest nation in human history, the UN is about to get poorer. By Alex Newman

thenewamerican.com

Biden move to refund UN population agency is 'ray of hope for millions'

‘Women’s bodies are not political bargaining chips’ says UNFPA director, as US funding restored after Trump era

www.theguardian.com

 

[Cherico]

The United States is the world superpower. The UN is its pet. And if the media are so foolish as to support the enemy, then let them receive a traitor's reward.

20 years ago the media had a lot more respect and power then it did today, and even today their pretty damned powerful. Its only been with the passage of time and the increasing growth of alternatives that their power has started to wane.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Both Birma and Malaya seems as loyal China allies.

They are even weaker than India. What can they do?

 

[Husky_Khan]

Both Birma and Malaya seems as loyal China allies.

I think Malaysia would want to stay neutral from any conflict in that area. They have their own South China Sea claims and in addition would have a lot more to lose since they're far more integrated into the world economy and politics then Myanmar and its Junta is.