The War in Afghanistan

[Zachowon]

Given there are reports the first retalitory strike used one:


I find that the ideas they weren't available to be kinda sus, and more kneejerk defense of military decisions on your part.

You also don't seem to have anything to say about it possibly being our own allies that were hit.

You think we just have those sitting there where those drones are stationed ready to be put on? They would be special requested way ahead.

Maybe if we’re not sure that we’re going to hit the enemy with the rockets, instead of uninvolved civilians, we shouldn’t fire the rockets?

Civilian casualties are a thing and are sometimes unavoidable, I get that. But I’d think that the US military could at least make sure they’re getting some actual terrorists in the strike instead of just uninvolved civilians.

A 9 civilians to 0 terrorists kill tally isn’t exactly what I’d call acceptable losses.

Because, you can not be 100 percent sure when you pull out so much if your intel infrastructure.
Blame this on thier ineptitude

 

[Bacle]

 

[Arch Dornan]

Of fucking course. They expect with Biden at the helm the Americans would be so stupid as to use the intel Biden gave them and they did it without cross checking.



I'm not even black hearted enough to make a grim feminist joke about this.

 

[Sobek]

Wait is this saying some 7 busses worth of americans were just killed? Or are we talking about afghans who were given citizenship to escape?

 

[PsihoKekec]

Oh FFS, if we are going to do retaliation attacks against ISIS-K, fucking make sure the people killed are ACTUALLY ISIS-K!

Bombing wrong targets has been order of business for almost twenty years, why change now?

I worry that ISIS may get the better off the Talibans, and that Pakistan may be next on the platter, they already have trouble keeping their fundamentalists in check…

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Unlikely, the force balance greatly favours thee Taliban and unlike some other forces they are willing to fight. What we will see is continuation of terror attacks, until Talibans can consolidate power and organise a campaign to hunt them down.

I'm not even black hearted enough to make a grim feminist joke about this.

I kind of doubt this one is true, too custom tailored to tug on the emotional strings of the people.

 

[Arch Dornan]

I kind of doubt this one is true, too custom tailored to tug on the emotional strings of the people.

There's already shit going on of Americans denied entry to leave.

This administration's a clusterfuck.

 

[Zachowon]

If they were American citizens, and not Afghans, this would be worse then Iranian hostage crisis.
I doubt they were American citizens

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Can your President not just cut his losses and start helping taliban finish IS off? Let China civilize those lunatics with offers of cash.

 

[Arch Dornan]

If they were American citizens, and not Afghans, this would be worse then Iranian hostage crisis.
I doubt they were American citizens

After the clusterfuck and redtape I'm inclined to believe the worst.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Wait is this saying some 7 busses worth of americans were just killed? Or are we talking about afghans who were given citizenship to escape?

It can say whatever it likes. Fog of war and twitter being twitter will ensure that 99% of news we get is worthless unless it stands the test of time.

 

[Terthna]

If they were American citizens, and not Afghans, this would be worse then Iranian hostage crisis.
I doubt they were American citizens

Even if they're not, something like that would be the final nail in the coffin for our reputation in the Middle East. Honestly, after this debacle is all over, I doubt anyone in that part of the world will be willing to help us ever again; at least not for several generations.

 

[Zachowon]

Even if they're not, something like that would be the final nail in the coffin for our reputation in the Middle East. Honestly, after this debacle is all over, I doubt anyone in that part of the world will be willing to help us ever again; at least not for several generations.

This shit has been going on for nearly 20 years man.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Chad Robichaux dumped six tweets about how his network of organizations helped evacuate 12,000 Afghans and apparently are working on getting them resettled in some place that isn't in the United States apparently.





And apparently, for some reason, the US Government has been throwing up hurdles and obstacles in private initiatives to resettle Afghans in Third Countries. 🤷‍♀️

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Even if they're not, something like that would be the final nail in the coffin for our reputation in the Middle East. Honestly, after this debacle is all over, I doubt anyone in that part of the world will be willing to help us ever again; at least not for several generations.

Bah. You don't know that area. Those guys make Game of Thrones look like My Little Pony.

I doubt even the Taliban will refuse to work with Washington. The Americans are not a threat to the status quo anymore, so now they're useful as allies against new threats. The same happened with Vietnam.

Besides, the Yanks are currently thinking of having a go at China over the latter growing to 2/3 of their GDP. They'll need local allies for that that aren't the mess that is current India.

 

[Terthna]

This shit has been going on for nearly 20 years man.

Not like this; the past week has gone so far beyond the pale, I can't see how either our government or our military makes it out with their reputations intact. Not for nothing this is being compared unfavorably to what happened in Vietnam.

Bah. You don't know that area. Those guys make Game of Thrones look like My Little Pony.

I doubt even the Taliban will refuse to work with Washington. The Americans are not a threat to the status quo anymore, so now they're useful as allies against new threats. The same happened with Vietnam.

Besides, the Yanks are currently thinking of having a go at China over the latter growing to 2/3 of their GDP. They'll need local allies for that that aren't the mess that is current India.

And you do? I was talking about the people on the ground, and the likelihood that any of the regular citizenry would be willing to help out our military like they did when we first arrived, knowing that they'd just be betrayed by us eventually.

Also, the idea that the Taliban would help us against China (in a conflict that has absolutely nothing to do with their artificially inflated GDP), or would even be capable of doing so, is downright laughable; though not as much as comparing them favorably to India.

Honestly, I'd like to know where you're getting your information; because it seems to be totally at odds with mine.

 

[Zachowon]

Not like this; the past week has gone so far beyond the pale, I can't see how either our government or our military makes it out with their reputations intact. Not for nothing this is being compared unfavorably to what happened in Vietnam.




And you do? I was talking about the people on the ground, and the likelihood that any of the regular citizenry would be willing to help out our military like they did when we first arrived, knowing that they'd just be betrayed by us eventually.

Also, the idea that the Taliban would help us against China (in a conflict that has absolutely nothing to do with their artificially inflated GDP), or would even be capable of doing so, is downright laughable; though not as much as comparing them favorably to India.

Honestly, I'd like to know where you're getting your information; because it seems to be totally at odds with mine.

The military will.
At least everyone below the pentagon

 

[Marduk]

Bah. You don't know that area. Those guys make Game of Thrones look like My Little Pony.

I doubt even the Taliban will refuse to work with Washington. The Americans are not a threat to the status quo anymore, so now they're useful as allies against new threats. The same happened with Vietnam.

Of course, at least after current experience. The chief threat to be fought against being Taliban having a shortage of money. Which they did have the last time they were in power too - hence they were sheltering a certain rich islamist who happened to cause more trouble than they expected. They aren't stupid enough to provoke China too much, they know that would be a Darwin Award level mistake, they don't want their whole tribes to end up in reeducation camps.

Besides, the Yanks are currently thinking of having a go at China over the latter growing to 2/3 of their GDP. They'll need local allies for that that aren't the mess that is current India.

India is a mess, but still a major power.
Taliban are a nuisance brought to the forefront by western media. They are bugs currently enjoying a permission to exist as far as China is concerned.

 

[Terthna]

The military will.
At least everyone below the pentagon

Individual service members? Specifically amongst American citizens? Maybe; but the institutions as a whole, especially on the international stage? Not only no; but hell no.

 

[Rocinante]

Individual service members? Specifically amongst American citizens? Maybe; but the institutions as a whole, especially on the international stage? Not only no; but hell no.

Agreed. The military as an organization is not coming out of this unscathed. Individual members will mostly be fine, this will fall on someone in the too brass, but it will absolutely rub off on the entire organization in the public's view.

 

[Zachowon]

Individual service members? Specifically amongst American citizens? Maybe; but the institutions as a whole, especially on the international stage? Not only no; but hell no.

Anyone that tries to rest ir will learn the hard way