The War in Afghanistan
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Holy fuck, he really must be senile.
The grand irony of the situation is that after 45 years of civil war, mayhem and corruption the Taleban may be the least bad of the available options for the country, and obviously they are seen as such by a significant part of the ethnic groups that constitute that state. And by least bad I obviously still mean pretty horrible, by and all.
Looking at the consfication of firearms: while it's a staple of authoritarian regimes you also have to look at this in the context of the country and its recent history. There's never going to be stability when every Afghan household has an AK47 sitting it its garden shed. That's currently just not an option in a nation where blood feuds and clan vendettas are par for the course. Yes, it's a shit move. But there are only shit moves available.
Looking at the consfication of firearms: while it's a staple of authoritarian regimes you also have to look at this in the context of the country and its recent history. There's never going to be stability when every Afghan household has an AK47 sitting it its garden shed. That's currently just not an option in a nation where blood feuds and clan vendettas are par for the course. Yes, it's a shit move. But there are only shit moves available.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Jesus what a complete and utter clown show. Biden must have forgotten all this as he got lost walking to the White House from his helicopter. 🙄
And yes, that actually happened, more than once.
Chaos Marine
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Isn't he enjoying some time off in Camp David?
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
He was. He cut his vacation short, or was told to cut it short and landed back in DC last night. Guess someone told him the optics looked shitty as hell with him hiding in the basement in the middle of a crisis….again.
The Taliban recruit from local random islamists and Pakistan's religious indoctrination schools.
Whether you like its contents or not, they do have an ideology that is both uniting them and motivating them to fight.
The other Afghans have nothing to do either, and the US government couldn't possibly be competent to teach that to them because it is actively busying itself doing the very opposite to own population while feeling very proud of itself for this.
History Learner
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He's not wrong, though. A big selling point for the Taliban is the fact they are not corrupt like the GIRoA was and extremely fair; this not only made them preferred by the general populace but drove a lot of recruiting for them.
Tribal Warlords are better at Law than a propped up Kleptocracy...imagine that.
History Learner
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It goes far beyond that, and was being pointed out for years:
Several judges spoke of the Taliban's efforts to steal official records in order to ensure that they had accurate accounts of land ownership or prior litigation. This was corroborated by civilians and by interviewees on the government side. During seizures of district centres and cities, the Taliban
have systematically taken records from the prosecutor's office, as well as marriage records and land deeds. They have also coerced or bribed government officials to steal specific records on their behalf.
This isn't tribal, but sophisticated nation building efforts and hearts and minds in a way the U.S. has never managed.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
We can admit that the Taliban are less corrupt than the collaborators we installed in power without going so far as to say that they to make the country “inclusive for all.”
History Learner
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Depends on what you mean by "inclusive". This isn't the 90s Taliban; just a few days before the fall of Kabul most Hazara Militias were either laying down their arms or joining the Taliban. Same for the Uzbeks, etc. It may not be inclusive in the Western sense or for Women, but it's pretty inclusive all together.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Well, “inclusive for all” is really more of a left wing talking point than a substantive description of how a nation might be. I don’t really think that universal inclusivity is necessarily even a good thing, especially how it’s used in the West.
The inclusivity that the Taliban may offer is that they won’t persecute ethnic or religious groups that comprise Afghanistan. We’re not going to having the Kabul equivalent of the Folsom Street Fair though.
Whitestrake Pelinal
Like a dream without a dreamer
This is the part that Americans, especially 'conservatives' or patriots of any stripe, must accept and acknowledge openly. We now have people from all across the spectrum blaming our Vichy army for not fighting to the death, our Vichy leaders for fleeing as soon as the occupation ended, and the Afghan people in general for not acting in ways that would have been useful to us and made us feel good about our occupation of Afghanistan.
It was even worse than the original Vichy regime, at least their values could have theoretically been accepted by the French. The globohomo propaganda that American rammed down Afghan throats disgusted everyone outside of the MSM bubble, and was utterly repugnant to the vast majority of Afghans.
They had no obligation to us, no reason to be loyal to anyone or anything involved. The only thing our occupational regime could be good for was opportunism, bringing home the bread for their various families, clans, and tribes. The entire idea of us 'nation building' someone else's nation was always a brain-sick fantasy. It pandered to the arrogance and narcissism of a degenerate American people, and consequently provided cover for money-worshippers and judeo-cons to enrich themselves and advance their ethnic interests at the expense of everyone else.
We already know Milley is lying to brown nose to his boss.
Been confirmed. Planefag needs to catch up
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Didn't colonialism used to be progressive when taking over people's shit and teaching them the invader's ways to be more superior?