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We should offer refugee status to any Christians. But for the most part the people support religious law. I don't see a problem. Let them do what they want in their borders.
LGBTQ+ Afghans deserve asylum, unless of course they also support Shariah law, in which case they can go and get asylum in other Muslim countries.
 

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Why should they get special treatment when so many other people will suffer the same as they?
They should also be let in. But of course if the West is inaccessible, then they can be let into other, poorer LGBTQ+friendly nations such as those in Latin America.
 

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We should offer refugee status to any Christians. But for the most part the people support religious law. I don't see a problem. Let them do what they want in their borders.
We should offer refugee status to those who would be persecuted by the law unjustly. Apostates, Christians, the single Jew left, IIRC, women wanting to flee child marriages, LGBTs, etc.

Though personally, I'd rather explicitly target communist countries for refugees, to keep up commie hatred. Right now, I want all the Hong Kongers and Venezuelans that want to come.
 

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We should offer refugee status to any Christians. But for the most part the people support religious law. I don't see a problem. Let them do what they want in their borders.
Congratulations, now any chancer or opportunist who arrives on your shores will fake a conversion. Basically a more conservative story of the same silly policy that is being exploited already in its woke variant.
They should still be able to move to Pakistan in order to escape that Hell and increase Pakistan's human capital.
Why the assumption that they would increase anyone's human capital?
Have you considered that Afghanistan's human capital is not exactly great to begin with?
The shitty people taking over their government with little opposition may be a hint.

Is it still legal in Pakistan? If so, Afghans could go/move there to play it?
They get to play it in real life instead :D
We should offer refugee status to those who would be persecuted by the law unjustly. Apostates, Christians, the single Jew left, IIRC, women wanting to flee child marriages, LGBTs, etc.

Though personally, I'd rather explicitly target communist countries for refugees, to keep up commie hatred. Right now, I want all the Hong Kongers and Venezuelans that want to come.
Even that is a kneejerk, idealistic, feels based, policy, too simple to work and not be exploited to hell and back.
Sometimes people who are genuinely persecuted can, at the same time, be quite nasty pieces of work themselves or be otherwise rather unsympathetic to western populations and/or not really compatible with living alongside them. If a country has a brutal civil war between the thief clan, the moderate beheader cult and the child rapist association, we have perfectly good reasons to not want any refugees from there, no matter who wins and how much oppression he dishes out on the others.
 

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Congratulations, now any chancer or opportunist who arrives on your shores will fake a conversion. Basically a more conservative story of the same silly policy that is being exploited already in its woke variant.
Umm do you know the first thing about serious conservative Muslims and Christians? Their principles state that death is preferable to conversion. Even "fake" conversion would be a serious sin akin to blasphemy and worthy of death. And this is if someone has a gun to your head and is threatening you with death or torture to convert. Lying to migrate is on the same level as lying to get a job, or money. As for the gay thing, would you be willing to be gay in exchange for money? Sure some people might people who are already gay but most won't.
 

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Umm do you know the first thing about serious conservative Muslims and Christians? Their principles state that death is preferable to conversion. Even "fake" conversion would be a serious sin akin to blasphemy and worthy of death. And this is if someone has a gun to your head and is threatening you with death or torture to convert.
Well for one conservative Muslims of such strong principles would be staying in islamist shitholes of the highest order willingly.
Unless they subscribe to one of islamic schools that recognize Taqiya, then they can lie to infildels all day about anything as long as they can claim it benefits their religious community and it's a moral good by their standard.
If they are willing to trust several criminal groups to help them get to Europe, also risking death or slavery, then they are also willing to lie. Note that lying about this is also a risk, ironically by more expansive interpretations of human rights also a reason to override deportation. If they planned to consider accepting being kicked back home, they wouldn't spend a big chunk of their wealth on such a dangerous passage.
Lying to migrate is on the same level as lying to get a job, or money. As for the gay thing, would you be willing to be gay in exchange for money? Sure some people might people who are already gay but most won't.
Well, will anyone check, and how? Of course not in the West, that would be a violation of privacy.
 

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LGBTQ+ Afghans deserve asylum, unless of course they also support Shariah law, in which case they can go and get asylum in other Muslim countries.
We should offer refugee status to those who would be persecuted by the law unjustly. Apostates, Christians, the single Jew left, IIRC, women wanting to flee child marriages, LGBTs, etc.

Though personally, I'd rather explicitly target communist countries for refugees, to keep up commie hatred. Right now, I want all the Hong Kongers and Venezuelans that want to come.
You guys are right from an ideological aspect on allowing LGBT's but I'd caution wariness. Because if they come in and get citizenship, I'm 80% sure they would end up voting for democrats. LGBT's when they can leave religious societies would accept atheism and have a severe disdain for religion as that is what oppressed them. They would be strong blue voters.

If they are willing to trust several criminal groups to help them get to Europe, also risking death or slavery, then they are also willing to lie. Note that lying about this is also a risk, ironically by more expansive interpretations of human rights also a reason to override deportation. If they planned to consider accepting being kicked back home, they wouldn't spend a big chunk of their wealth on such a dangerous passage.
Umm spending money, and risking your life to get a better life for you and your family is not a violation of religious principles. Being gay, or an apostate is a violation and a clear sin. Thats the differance.

Well, will anyone check, and how? Of course not in the West, that would be a violation of privacy.
Well maybe the west should not be retarded. Yes in this example let's say you want to leave Poland for America as in America there is a multi million dollar job waiting for you, the woke government only will let in people who are LGBT. So you have to bring proof, either video or photo evidence of being gay. Or the border official offers to let you give him a blowjob to get in. Would you do it? That feeling of disgust you have at even the thought, thats how most people are. Some might do it to literally save their skins, but few would do it out of a mercenary desire for simply a more comfortable life.
 

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Umm spending money, and risking your life to get a better life for you and your family is not a violation of religious principles. Being gay, or an apostate is a violation and a clear sin. Thats the differance.
Yes. If they are all highly religious and principled, which is a wild assumption.
And then there is the subtle difference that according so some lying about these things at infidel's expense is absolutely not a sin. Especially if that deception helps your religion's cause. Then not doing that is a sin, as infidels aren't owed honesty, but the Ummah is owed pursuit of its interests.
Well maybe the west should not be retarded.
But it is, and the whole line of thinking for this policy is based on this retardation.
Yes in this example let's say you want to leave Poland for America as in America there is a multi million dollar job waiting for you, the woke government only will let in people who are LGBT. So you have to bring proof, either video or photo evidence of being gay. Or the border official offers to let you give him a blowjob to get in. Would you do it? That feeling of disgust you have at even the thought, thats how most people are. Some might do it to literally save their skins, but few would do it out of a mercenary desire for simply a more comfortable life.
There are in fact porn actors of both sexes who do it for mere money. And not millions of dollars at that.
 

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Yes. If they are all highly religious and principled, which is a wild assumption.
And then there is the subtle difference that according so some lying about these things at infidel's expense is absolutely not a sin. Especially if that deception helps your religion's cause. Then not doing that is a sin, as infidels aren't owed honesty, but the Ummah is owed pursuit of its interests.
You are talking about Taqiya?
I would highly recommend you look up and study Islam. Being uneducated about your rivals is not smart. Anyway Muslims like Jews are allowed to break their rules on lying and it not be sinful. However there are caveats. It only applies if one would be in mortal danger, you can't do Taqiya simply to gain an advantage, no it has to only be used to avoid death. If a Muslim was facing death or persecution under modern refugee laws they would not need to lie, they could just say their life is in danger. Again muslims aren't allowed to lie to leave a poor or medium wealth nation to go to a rich one.

But it is, and the whole line of thinking for this policy is based on this retardation.
There are in fact porn actors of both sexes who do it for mere money. And not millions of dollars at that.
Umm you mean the people that are atheists, and are also not straight?
 

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You guys are right from an ideological aspect on allowing LGBT's but I'd caution wariness. Because if they come in and get citizenship, I'm 80% sure they would end up voting for democrats. LGBT's when they can leave religious societies would accept atheism and have a severe disdain for religion as that is what oppressed them. They would be strong blue voters.


Umm spending money, and risking your life to get a better life for you and your family is not a violation of religious principles. Being gay, or an apostate is a violation and a clear sin. Thats the differance.


Well maybe the west should not be retarded. Yes in this example let's say you want to leave Poland for America as in America there is a multi million dollar job waiting for you, the woke government only will let in people who are LGBT. So you have to bring proof, either video or photo evidence of being gay. Or the border official offers to let you give him a blowjob to get in. Would you do it? That feeling of disgust you have at even the thought, thats how most people are. Some might do it to literally save their skins, but few would do it out of a mercenary desire for simply a more comfortable life.
I don't have a problem with LGBTQ+ or other refugees voting blue just so long as they successfully assimilate. I mean, I myself voted blue a week ago, albeit with me living in California. California doesn't have a large black population that liberals would otherwise seek to pamper and cuddle lol.

There are in fact porn actors of both sexes who do it for mere money. And not millions of dollars at that.
 

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You are talking about Taqiya?
I would highly recommend you look up and study Islam. Being uneducated about your rivals is not smart. Anyway Muslims like Jews are allowed to break their rules on lying and it not be sinful. However there are caveats. It only applies if one would be in mortal danger, you can't do Taqiya simply to gain an advantage, no it has to only be used to avoid death. If a Muslim was facing death or persecution under modern refugee laws they would not need to lie, they could just say their life is in danger. Again muslims aren't allowed to lie to leave a poor or medium wealth nation to go to a rich one.
Bullshit. I'd recommend you take your own advice before you give it. You are taking the most limited interpretation of Taqiya in existence and lecture me that this is all it is.
Umm you mean the people that are atheists, and are also not straight?
They aren't gay and they have all sorts of beliefs.
 

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increase Pakistan's human capital.
Believing that Afghanis could increase ''human capital'' of any country, even one as shitty as Pakistan




LGBTQ+ Afghans deserve asylum,
Like there are not already too many child molestors around

successfully assimilate
Afghanis assimilating :ROFLMAO:
I reckon this is where you pull out some token successful case and actively ignore 99,99% who continue ruining the host country.
 

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Believing that Afghanis could increase ''human capital'' of any country, even one as shitty as Pakistan






Like there are not already too many child molestors around
Afghans have a higher average IQ than Pakistanis have lol:




Afghanis assimilating :ROFLMAO:
I reckon this is where you pull out some token successful case and actively ignore 99,99% who continue ruining the host country.
Well, LGBTQ+ Afghans are not ordinary Afghans. Neither are feminist Afghans, atheist Afghans, freethinker Afghans, et cetera.
 

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The issue here is that Pakistan is a nation created from scratch and by consent for the most part.

”Afghanistan” is a patch of land where dozens of tribes exist and don’t exactly like each other. It was always a powder keg and by making them adopt a universal democracy we all but ensured it would go off.

This bleeds into a further point about how the Middle East simply doesn’t have representative government in its political heritage. By nature it is tribal and autocratic, hence why the Islamic World has only ever risen to ascendency and stability under Kings and Emperors.
 

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Afghans have a higher average IQ than Pakistanis have lol:
I read through the actual study rather than just looking at the graphic. It's basically a huge mass of "We don't actually have much data but if we extrapolate from these assumptions..."

IQ doesn't work the way you're thinking and doesn't measure what you think, it pretty much only measures how well you can take a specific kind of test. Just speaking the same native language as the test-writer boosts your IQ by three and a third points because you'll comprehend the wording of the questions so much better. Similarly, per the same study, children of immigrants born in a host nation gain a massive IQ boost in the country they've immigrated to compared with children that grew up in their native country, because they're more familiar with how the host nation's test-taking protocols and linguistics work.

Also:
 

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I read through the actual study rather than just looking at the graphic. It's basically a huge mass of "We don't actually have much data but if we extrapolate from these assumptions..."

IQ doesn't work the way you're thinking and doesn't measure what you think, it pretty much only measures how well you can take a specific kind of test. Just speaking the same native language as the test-writer boosts your IQ by three and a third points because you'll comprehend the wording of the questions so much better. Similarly, per the same study, children of immigrants born in a host nation gain a massive IQ boost in the country they've immigrated to compared with children that grew up in their native country, because they're more familiar with how the host nation's test-taking protocols and linguistics work.

Also:
I have always found that to be a large flaw of the “reeeee MUH IQ” thing. Non-Academically inclined countries aren’t going to score very high on IQ tests.

And can we really call a Maasai herdsman, who’s kept his flock and village safe for decades from lions, stupider than some soyboy uni grad?
 
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