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Umm the world is more than America and Europe. If they have a choice between Europe that requires them to publicly post a video online of them leaving Islam and becoming Christian, or poor South America or some other 2nd world nation that lets them keep their faith. The Muslim answer is to go to South America.
Yes it is. So they would head to Canada, Australia, USA. Only if there they got the same treatment, would stay in Turkey or Lebanon. They aren't very interested in poor countries that won't coddle them.

But as i said before, if Europe is willing to reconsider its liberal principles when it comes to religion and privacy, it automatically can also do the same regarding its whole refugee policy even easier, for it's an even more recent and poorly thought out shitlib fancy than those.
People who rape other men in prison are gay. My "clown world" is you are straight by having sex with women, and not men. In YOUR clown world you can suck all the dicks you like, and get fucked up the ass everyday and as long as you aren't attracted to the other guy you are "straight".
The point is, the men who do the raping make a point that they consider their victims gay. Meanwhile, if they leave prison, they are no longer interested in men at all.
You just need to understand that some people are willing to do a whole lot of things for money and power.
Umm you are the one who is using prison rape logic. They say that they aren't gay even though they are having sex with men, because of some technicality either they are on top or they are doing it to punish the other guy or whatever. You are saying that someone is not gay because they are doing it because they got paid, not because they want to.
So where do you put the line of gayness? Violence? Blackmail? Poverty?

Mine is simple you are gay by having gay sex.
Simple as your mind i see. So are the men being raped by the prisoners also gay or not? Where do you put the line?
And then there are our thread relevant Afghans who limit their gay rape to boys, if they do it to adult men then they consider that a capital offense.
 

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So they would head to Canada, Australia, USA. Only if there they got the same treatment, would stay in Turkey or Lebanon. They aren't interested in poor countries that won't coddle them.
Well again at that point it's no longer your problem is it? You should advocate your people being smart and virtious. If others want to be stupid, let them be taken advantage of.

The point is, the men who do the raping make a point that they consider their victims gay. Meanwhile, if they leave prison, they are no longer interested in men at all.
You just need to understand that some people are willing to do a whole lot of things for money and power.
Who cares what they consider, they themselves are gay, and should be tried for both rape and sodomy.

So where do you put the line of gayness? Violence? Blackmail? Poverty?
I see gayness like any other immoral act. Unless you are literally forced against your will and are overpowered. We use the same rules in the Bible for a woman being raped, and apply it to a man. If your wife was raped against her will you would not hold it against her. But if she was sucking dicks to get you guys more money would you be ok with that? Again blackmail umm be engaging in homosexual relations especially where you are the passive partner. Umm thats pretty low, there is not much that would be more dishonorable. Like historically even murderers were ranked higher. I don't know why at that point you wouldn't just say release the incriminating info, because you are just adding more. As for violence thats the one case where again you are forced and it's not your choice to engage in the wrong act so you aren't gay.

Simple as your mind i see. So are the men being raped by the prisoners also gay or not? Where do you put the line?
And then there are our thread relevant Afghans who limit their gay rape to boys, if they do it to adult men then they consider that a capital offense.
Yes as opposed to your complex thought were gay prostitutes sucking men's dick aren't actually gay because they don't enjoy it. Also again those boys are men. There are two types of people men and women. Just because the man isn't grown yet does not mean he is not a man.

Just like with trannies even if it's pretty and looks like a girl it's still a man.
 

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You are a self admitted leftist, so i have no choice but to take this judgement as praise.

So Qatar with much less petro money.
Of course, as any stereotypical shithole, it has grand prestige projects in the capital.
Never expected someone to proudly declare themselves unironically evil but there is a first time for everything I guess ! :D
I have nationalist leftist orientantion, that doesn't translate "open my nation's buttcheecks to corporations, wokeism and NATO" and I am also I am fan of Giorgio Almirante just as much as Enrico Berlinguer and give the same amount of respect to figures like Roman Stanisław Dmowski and Józef Piłsudski I would give like Thomas Sankara and Amílcar Cabral, and you don't see me praising Stalin or Mugabe. I also wouldn't recommend any modern leftist writers except one (Diego Fusaro, who would be much more at home here than alternatehistory.com) but I recommend Scruton, Guenon, Evola and Peterson.
I voted for Bolsonaro in Brazil and for Italy I voted for People' Sovereign Italy, a nationalist leftist option and I wasn't screeching bloody fascism when Giorgia Meloni got elected or before.

Also by your own standards your beloved country is a shithole and you probably would treat it like Syria :

It's still a delusional thing to believe. Get non shitty news instead of just anti-western propaganda.

Boo fucking hoo. Poor Assad. Don't care. If the last Assadist and Kurd commie murdered each other, the world would be better off for it. If Assad wants me to care about his budget, he needs to send me a nice piece of it.
But I guess you are okay with talking and treating people as garbage as long as you and your not people or country.

You should give me your dealers contact because reading your response felt like it must be some strong shit since it looks like a junkie text message.;)
 

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Never expected someone to proudly declare themselves unironically evil but there is a first time for everything I guess ! :D
I have nationalist leftist orientantion, that doesn't translate "open my nation's buttcheecks to corporations, wokeism and NATO" and I am also I am fan of Giorgio Almirante just as much as Enrico Berlinguer and give the same amount of respect to figures like Roman Stanisław Dmowski and Józef Piłsudski I would give like Thomas Sankara and Amílcar Cabral, and you don't see me praising Stalin or Mugabe. I also wouldn't recommend any modern leftist writers except one (Diego Fusaro, who would be much more at home here than alternatehistory.com) but I recommend Scruton, Guenon, Evola and Peterson.
I voted for Bolsonaro in Brazil and for Italy I voted for People' Sovereign Italy, a nationalist leftist option and I wasn't screeching bloody fascism when Giorgia Meloni got elected or before.
Sorry, but socially conservative socialism is still leftism and still sucks. Wokeists aren't what makes socialism suck, wokeists suck because they are just one of many mutations of socialism. Old timey non-woke commies still sucked, i live in a country that used to be ruled by such and the damage is still being fixed decades later.
>People' Sovereign Italy,
Which includes self-described communists...
If people who vote for such consider me "unironically evil", i'm completely fine with that.
Also by your own standards your beloved country is a shithole and you probably would treat it like Syria :



But I guess you are okay with talking and treating people as garbage as long as you and your not people or country.
Wait? What? Which "my beloved country" forces people to go work in the fields for free because hey free labor? Where did you get the idea that i'm a big fan of North Korea or something?
 

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We're starting to see the blowback from Taliban victory play out on the global level.

Their victory last year directly inspired militants across Southeast Asia, and the recent success of the Islamist party in Malaysia had the opposition warning they would make the country like Afghanistan. The Taliban MFA was quick to congratulate Anwar Ibrahim's success, and note the strong ties forming there:


This builds on pre-existing trendlines in the region:



Palestinian groups have also been recently getting cyber training in the region, as another interesting aside.
 

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And they have no power outside of these sphere and terrorism.
And what happens when you attack a large country?

My point being, countries like Indonesia do just fine being Islamic and have a larger population then any other Islamic country
 

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And they have no power outside of these sphere and terrorism.
And what happens when you attack a large country?
Who? The Taliban, or Malaysia and Indonesia?

My point being, countries like Indonesia do just fine being Islamic and have a larger population then any other Islamic country
Indeed, which is why it's a big deal if they go Islamist, given the sit on one of the most important SLOCs in the world and have a growing military power.
 

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Umm the world is more than America and Europe. If they have a choice between Europe that requires them to publicly post a video online of them leaving Islam and becoming Christian, or poor South America or some other 2nd world nation that lets them keep their faith. The Muslim answer is to go to South America.
If South America (or whatever) will actually have them, that is.
 

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We're starting to see the blowback from Taliban victory play out on the global level.

Their victory last year directly inspired militants across Southeast Asia, and the recent success of the Islamist party in Malaysia had the opposition warning they would make the country like Afghanistan. The Taliban MFA was quick to congratulate Anwar Ibrahim's success, and note the strong ties forming there:


This builds on pre-existing trendlines in the region:



Palestinian groups have also been recently getting cyber training in the region, as another interesting aside.
Palestinian cyberterrorism will do as much damage as a fly on a turkey on Thanksgiving.
Wherever they hit they gonna receive the treatment of "killing a fly with a fly with a hammer".

Israel has a stratocratic mentality and everything will have a military response.
 

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Palestinian cyberterrorism will do as much damage as a fly on a turkey on Thanksgiving.
Wherever they hit they gonna receive the treatment of "killing a fly with a fly with a hammer".

Israel has a stratocratic mentality and everything will have a military response.
Given their training camps are in Malaysia, what exactly is Israel supposed to do in response? Nuke Malaysia?
 

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Given their training camps are in Malaysia, what exactly is Israel supposed to do in response? Nuke Malaysia?
The Samson option would be used only if Israel is on the brink of being conquered, which nobody can realistically do except the US but regardless of the behaviour of Israel they will always best buds, so it will not be Malaysia that see the consequences but Gaza and the West Bank and they will certainly not use nukes against the enemy next door.
 

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The Samson option would be used only if Israel is on the brink of being conquered, which nobody can realistically do except the US but regardless of the behaviour of Israel they will always best buds, so it will not be Malaysia that see the consequences but Gaza and the West Bank and they will certainly not use nukes against the enemy next door.
So, just like North Vietnam or Zambia, and Islamist Southeast Asia could become the springboard for Palestinian resistance. A place where they can go to train, carry out attacks from and smuggle arms from, utilizing the fact that the Arabs in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank present a demographic challenge the Israelis cannot solve without genocide. I noted last year, after the Gaza War in early 2021, that this was laying the framework for the death of Israel by a 1,000 cuts.
 

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So, just like North Vietnam or Zambia, and Islamist Southeast Asia could become the springboard for Palestinian resistance. A place where they can go to train, carry out attacks from and smuggle arms from, utilizing the fact that the Arabs in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank present a demographic challenge the Israelis cannot solve without genocide. I noted last year, after the Gaza War in early 2021, that this was laying the framework for the death of Israel by a 1,000 cuts.
I am someone who seriously doubts they can "kill" Israel by death of a thousands cuts.

Unless they developed overnight Alien Space Bats tech, which is not impossible by highly improbable. The Israeli in six years will have 80 years, almost a century, of NEVER AGAIN and siege mentality. They were nearly wiped out, everything the Palestinians, who are running out allies and foreign goodwill even by historical friendly nations, throw at Israel, the Zionist state is going to reply : "Nice try, but I have been through worse".

This is also coming from SOMEONE who used to be very pro-Zionist.

My policy now is more nuanced, as long as Israel doesn't affect negatively the Mediterranean (which it did because they sponspored the largely-turned Islamist "Syrian" "Opposition" causing the Migration Crisis of the last eleven years) or tries to tell other countries what to do because of the Holocaust (that happened over 80 years ago) I am not too corcerned about Israel itself.
 

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My policy now is more nuanced, as long as Israel doesn't affect negatively the Mediterranean (which it did because they sponspored the largely-turned Islamist "Syrian" "Opposition" causing the Migration Crisis of the last eleven years) or tries to tell other countries what to do because of the Holocaust (that happened over 80 years ago) I am not too corcerned about Israel itself.
Funny how majority of the supposedly sponsored opposition migrants weren't even from Syria. Western leftists and muh human rights lobbies carry far more blame for this crisis than the whole Syria conflict, nevermind what little Israel contributed to the opposition there.
Stop giving them money and legal perks, and they won't come.
 

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Funny how majority of the supposedly sponsored opposition migrants weren't even from Syria. Western leftists and muh human rights lobbies carry far more blame for this crisis than the whole Syria conflict, nevermind what little Israel contributed to the opposition there.
Stop giving them money and legal perks, and they won't come.
Israel (who is no friend of Europe and vice versa, saying that we share the same interests and "values" is laughable), unlike Turkey and the rest of the Mediterranean, while they did contribute JUST LIKE ISRAEL to "help" the "Syrian" "Opposition" is responsable just as much the other countries. Italy, thank God, only has been the "filtration" center because luckily none want to stay but all want to go to Germany, France, Low Countries and the United Kingdom. We spent millions on food but so far, except for cities like Milan, Bologna and few others the rest of Italy is relatively and comparitively unscathed unlike Brussels, Paris, London and Berlin.

Luckily maybe Meloni will do something about immigration (which is one of the major issues she has been advocating since Brothers of Italy was founded), even if minimal, just like it is happening with the Ukraine "aid", otherwise her government will not last longer than the 5 Star Movement governments.
 

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Israel (who is no friend of Europe and vice versa, saying that we share the same interests and "values" is laughable), unlike Turkey and the rest of the Mediterranean, while they did contribute JUST LIKE ISRAEL to "help" the "Syrian" "Opposition" is responsable just as much the other countries.
It's going to take way more than a baseless blanket statement of equal involvement for me to take such a statement seriously.
Turkey had far more to do with the Syrian opposition, and also a whole lot more to do with the migrant flows - after all, Turkey itself was the biggest route for the 2015 crisis. Obviously if they didn't want it to exist, it wouldn't, with the way their government functions now they aren't even constrained by leftist activists unlike Europe. Speaking of, in the end the European activist factions carry the most responsibility here, as in the end relying on foreign states more or less distant and more or less friendly (usually less) to stop the migrants is a stopgap measure at best.
The desire to blame Israel seems like a goal oriented mental gymnastic meant to fit into a preexisting geopolitical view.
Italy, thank God, only has been the "filtration" center because luckily none want to stay but all want to go to Germany, France, Low Countries and the United Kingdom. We spent millions on food but so far, except for cities like Milan, Bologna and few others the rest of Italy is relatively and comparitively unscathed unlike Brussels, Paris, London and Berlin.
They may not want to, but a lot of them do end up staying anyway. They would still rather pick Italy than going back to whatever shithole they came from.

Luckily maybe Meloni will do something about immigration (which is one of the major issues she has been advocating since Brothers of Italy was founded), even if minimal, just like it is happening with the Ukraine "aid", otherwise her government will not last longer than the 5 Star Movement governments.
Maybe. In the end, that means a cold war against the leftists and left-liberals of northern and western Europe. Look at who's supporting the migrant ferry ships...
 

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I am someone who seriously doubts they can "kill" Israel by death of a thousands cuts.

Unless they developed overnight Alien Space Bats tech, which is not impossible by highly improbable. The Israeli in six years will have 80 years, almost a century, of NEVER AGAIN and siege mentality. They were nearly wiped out, everything the Palestinians, who are running out allies and foreign goodwill even by historical friendly nations, throw at Israel, the Zionist state is going to reply : "Nice try, but I have been through worse".
Pretty much all of this can be claimed for Rhodesia, and we saw how that worked out. Global opinion turned decidedly negative on Israel after the Gaza War, even among Evangelicals in the United States. If the Taliban victory results in an Islamist Indonesia and Malaysia throwing their weight behind the Anti-Israel factions in the Middle East, that's a huge shift in resources, raw military power, etc against Israel. You don't have to be better than your opponent on the tactical level, you just have to drown them in resources.

Honestly going to be wild if the Taliban humiliating the United States in 2021 results in that Palestinian prophecy of defeat of Israel by 2048 being made into a reality.
 
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Pretty much all of this can be claimed for Rhodesia, and we saw how that worked out. Global opinion turned decidedly negative on Israel after the Gaza War, even among Evangelicals in the United States. If the Taliban victory results in an Islamist Indonesia and Malaysia throwing their weight behind the Anti-Israel factions in the Middle East, that's a huge shift in resources, raw military power, etc against Israel. You don't have to be better than your opponent on the tactical level, you just have to drown them in resources.

Honestly going to be wild if the Taliban humiliating the United States in 2021 results in that Palestinian prophecy of defeat of Israel by 2048 a reality.
no what happens is that Isreal breaks out its nukes, chemical weapons and kill all of those morals that keep them from really unleashing and then they murder the absolute fuck out of the Palastinians, fully unleashing the monster with in and then daring and promising their neighbors that they will take them down in nuclear hell fire if they go down to.

Countries that are faced with issues of national survival do not go down nicely into the good night.
 

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Yes it is. So they would head to Canada, Australia, USA. Only if there they got the same treatment, would stay in Turkey or Lebanon. They aren't very interested in poor countries that won't coddle them.

But as i said before, if Europe is willing to reconsider its liberal principles when it comes to religion and privacy, it automatically can also do the same regarding its whole refugee policy even easier, for it's an even more recent and poorly thought out shitlib fancy than those.
You know, I really do have a soft spot for Eastern Europe for its hard-headed approach towards Muslim immigration. The next best thing is to mostly limited Muslim immigration to cognitive elites, as in North America. The worst thing is to import a lot of working-class and lower-class Muslims, as in Western Europe.
 
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