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The War in Afghanistan

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I have always found that to be a large flaw of the “reeeee MUH IQ” thing. Non-Academically inclined countries aren’t going to score very high on IQ tests.

And can we really call a Maasai herdsman, who’s kept his flock and village safe for decades from lions, stupider than some soyboy uni grad?
It's near impossible to make people with low IQ smart, but it's insanely easy to turn someone with a great mind into a drooling idiot. Big stick to the head easy, years of marxist indoctrination are just a slower and more expensive way.
 

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I have always found that to be a large flaw of the “reeeee MUH IQ” thing. Non-Academically inclined countries aren’t going to score very high on IQ tests.

And can we really call a Maasai herdsman, who’s kept his flock and village safe for decades from lions, stupider than some soyboy uni grad?
IQ is a really flimsy measure in the first place, stuff like the Flynn Effect (Requiring repeated recalibrations because, apparently, people started suddenly gaining IQ points like crazy and the scale broke) should have put the pin in it a long time ago.

This only gets dramatically multiplied by the fact that there are no international standards so any attempt at comparing IQs internationally is ridiculous. Given how standard deviations work, 6.4% of the world's population should have an IQ below 80 and 4.1% below 70. A brief glance of that map shows that India is rated below 80 and it's over 17% of the world's population all by itself. Couple that with most of Africa and the Middle east also being rolled into the sub-moron category and it's deeply apparent whatever calibration method they used is horribly flawed, either somehow the standard deviation is way off... which means the test isn't calibrated right, or most of the world's population is below 100... which means the test isn't calibrated right since a base assumption of IQ tests is that the average must be exactly 100.
 

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Bullshit. I'd recommend you take your own advice before you give it. You are taking the most limited interpretation of Taqiya in existence and lecture me that this is all it is.

They aren't gay and they have all sorts of beliefs.
Your source did not say they did apostasy, it said they did not shout from the roof tops they were going to attack. That's basic common sense, they misdirected, acted like minor criminals to be underestimated. They did not say "I reject Islam, and the Muhamud is a false prophet, Islam is a false religion." If we required that and then posted it on social media as proof that a person is not a Muslim then very very very few Muslims would do that.

Also lol they aren't gay? Taking a dick up the ass does not make you gay in Marduk's neoliberal world view. Ok why should we trust you in other things, if your oppinion is that gay prostitutes aren't gay? If you are engaging in sex with men you are gay. If you are having sex with children you are a pedo, if you murder someone you are a murderer.
 

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Afghanistan could have been developed country had not the monarchy being overthrown OR the first communist faction (yes there were two) had not so been keen on antagonizing people that wanted to be left alone even though they were the "proto-Talibans" in belief, which was used by the US and Salafists (Saudi, Pakistan etc) with glee.
Newsflash... Despite I am national-leftist, I am favour of some monarchies (especially for a restoration in Brazil and the one in Spain) and a few monarchies in history were definitively much better for their country than a republican government, Afghanistan was the prime example of that.

Now well it is simply going back two centuries...but the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was held together with foreign military power fpr opioids and what...lithium? To money launder.

The Afghans have chosen the Taliban factions by inaction. Let's what will happen...I wouldn't be surprised if we see a revolution in one or two decades or more.
 

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It's near impossible to make people with low IQ smart, but it's insanely easy to turn someone with a great mind into a drooling idiot. Big stick to the head easy, years of marxist indoctrination are just a slower and more expensive way.
Those with HIGH IQ have the tendency to have faulty logics. Either like Chomsky which never personally apologizes for the fuckup of the Cambodia's genocide or those fuckwits who were trust the science during 2020-2021-2022 or even those who created deadlier strains of COVID in Boston and UK.

The IQ argument is bullshit.
 
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Those with HIGH IQ have the tendency to have faulty logics. Either like Chomsky which never personally apologizes for the fuckup of the Cambodia's genocide or those fuckwits who were trust the science during 2020-2021-2022 or even those who created deadlier strains of COVID in Boston and UK.

The IQ argument is bullshit.
inteligence and wisdom are not the same thing.
 

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Afghanistan could have been developed country had not the monarchy being overthrown OR the first communist faction (yes there were two) had not so been keen on antagonizing people that wanted to be left alone even though they were the "proto-Talibans" in belief, which was used by the US and Salafists (Saudi, Pakistan etc) with glee.
Newsflash... Despite I am national-leftist, I am favour of some monarchies (especially for a restoration in Brazil and the one in Spain) and a few monarchies in history were definitively much better for their country than a republican government, Afghanistan was the prime example of that.

Now well it is simply going back two centuries...but the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was held together with foreign military power fpr opioids and what...lithium? To money launder.

The Afghans have chosen the Taliban factions by inaction. Let's what will happen...I wouldn't be surprised if we see a revolution in one or two decades or more.
That's just third world fanboyism. Look at the existing monarchies of the same region... Not exactly developed countries.
Those with HIGH IQ have the tendency to have faulty logics. Either like Chomsky which never personally apologizes for the fuckup of the Cambodia's genocide or those fuckwits who were trust the science during 2020-2021-2022 or even those who created deadlier strains of COVID in Boston and UK.

The IQ argument is bullshit.
Not tendency, you are picking famous marxists to make your argument against high IQ people. Which is a very low IQ thing to do - after all, it's not like low IQ people can't be crazy marxists, it's not like the Soviet Union consisted of Trotsky's, Andropov's and Dzerzhinsky's alone. But here you pull a tendency to subscribe to such ideologies to high IQ people, an outright asspulled theory.
Your source did not say they did apostasy, it said they did not shout from the roof tops they were going to attack. That's basic common sense, they misdirected, acted like minor criminals to be underestimated. They did not say "I reject Islam, and the Muhamud is a false prophet, Islam is a false religion." If we required that and then posted it on social media as proof that a person is not a Muslim then very very very few Muslims would do that.
If they can argue they would be killed if they don't do that, this theory even in the most basic variant allows them to. Besides it's a moot point, because the same principles that ground the whole idea of unconditional refugee admission say you can't require anyone to do such a thing, especially refugees. In a bit more loose one, it's not forbidden for them to larp as "moderate Muslims" even if they aren't if they are planning to make some kind of problems or another at the expense of the infidels.
Also lol they aren't gay? Taking a dick up the ass does not make you gay in Marduk's neoliberal world view.
Well then guess prison gangs (and Afghans too) have invented one simple trick to turn people gay. And in your clown world turning people straight is equally easy.
Ok why should we trust you in other things, if your oppinion is that gay prostitutes aren't gay? If you are engaging in sex with men you are gay. If you are having sex with children you are a pedo, if you murder someone you are a murderer.
Literally prison rape logic, stop making a clown out of yourself. Being gay is having gay sex out of preference, not because someone forced or bribed you to do it.
 

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That's just third world fanboyism. Look at the existing monarchies of the same region... Not exactly developed countries.

Not tendency, you are picking famous marxists to make your argument against high IQ people. Which is a very low IQ thing to do - after all, it's not like low IQ people can't be crazy marxists, it's not like the Soviet Union consisted of Trotsky's, Andropov's and Dzerzhinsky's alone. But here you pull a tendency to subscribe to such ideologies to high IQ people, an outright asspulled theory.

If they can argue they would be killed if they don't do that, this theory even in the most basic variant allows them to. Besides it's a moot point, because the same principles that ground the whole idea of unconditional refugee admission say you can't require anyone to do such a thing, especially refugees. In a bit more loose one, it's not forbidden for them to larp as "moderate Muslims" even if they aren't if they are planning to make some kind of problems or another at the expense of the infidels.

Well then guess prison gangs (and Afghans too) have invented one simple trick to turn people gay. And in your clown world turning people straight is equally easy.

Literally prison rape logic, stop making a clown out of yourself. Being gay is having gay sex out of preference, not because someone forced or bribed you to do it.
  1. What region? Pakistan is an Islamic republic, Turkmenistan is a totalitarian state, Iran is also still an Islamic Republic. Afghanistan was decently doing before becoming a republic and started to going downhill before that. Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrein and Kuwait, despite being totalitarian salafist monarchies, they are stable unlike republics such as Egypt and Syria (although this one because of NATO-Israeli interference).
  2. On IQ @Cherico and @Bear Ribs also put it better than me. And your argumentation frankly stinks of borderline eugenicism. I am saying that high IQ doesn't mean better people.
 

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They had a chance to stand up and fight the Talban. Instead they stood down. Now they get what they get.
I think a lot of them joined or were part of the Taliban to begin with, or were just in the Afghan army for the money.

Then again, the USA threw tons of money at bullshit like waminz studies departments and let a moronic westernized Afghan academic grafter run the show.

You guys had a chance to help out Ahmad Shah Massoud there, and take out Osama, but you blew both before 9/11.

Instead you put in a stupid Pakistani pawn that was a grifter, then you escalated up the stipidity and grift chain.

But hey, Sloppy Joe and Hillary's relatives neede the money, as did the Pakistani ISI...
 

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  1. What region? Pakistan is an Islamic republic, Turkmenistan is a totalitarian state, Iran is also still an Islamic Republic. Afghanistan was decently doing before becoming a republic and started to going downhill before that. Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrein and Kuwait, despite being totalitarian salafist monarchies, they are stable unlike republics such as Egypt and Syria (although this one because of NATO-Israeli interference).
So are we talking developed or stable? These absolutely aren't the same thing. North Korea is very stable, more than any of the Arab countries, even the rich ones, but it's the golden standard for being a shithole and definitely not developed.
Turkmenistan is a hereditary dictatorship, so absolute monarchy in all but name. Also very stable, but a shithole.
Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain and Kuwait? Well they have a lot of oil money to spend at pretending to be stable. Including stuff like separate armed forces just to watch for the leader.
Without oil money they would be in deep shit.
Long story short, if you told me that Afghanistan will become a stable North Korea or Turkmenistan style shithole under a monarchy, i wouldn' t call that unlikely. But that wouldn't make it developed or not a shithole.
  • On IQ @Cherico and @Bear Ribs also put it better than me. And your argumentation frankly stinks of borderline eugenicism. I am saying that high IQ doesn't mean better people.
Better at what? High IQ people are definitely better at rocket science, neurosurgery and programming than the low IQ ones. What will they do with these abilities is a separate issue also related to culture, politics and so on.
 

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So are we talking developed or stable? These absolutely aren't the same thing. North Korea is very stable, more than any of the Arab countries, even the rich ones, but it's the golden standard for being a shithole and definitely not developed.
Turkmenistan is a hereditary dictatorship, so absolute monarchy in all but name. Also very stable, but a shithole.
Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain and Kuwait? Well they have a lot of oil money to spend at pretending to be stable. Including stuff like separate armed forces just to watch for the leader.
Without oil money they would be in deep shit.
Long story short, if you told me that Afghanistan will become a stable North Korea or Turkmenistan style shithole under a monarchy, i wouldn' t call that unlikely. But that wouldn't make it developed or not a shithole.

Better at what? High IQ people are definitely better at rocket science, neurosurgery and programming than the low IQ ones. What will they do with these abilities is a separate issue also related to culture, politics and so on.
Thanks for removing all doubt that you are not a decent human soul and just the right wing wing version of Calbear and Ian The Admin.
 

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Thanks for removing all doubt that you are not a decent human soul and just the polar opposite version of Calbear and Ian The Admin.
I looked at our member list who the fuck is calbear and who the hell is Ian the admin I don't see either of them here.
 

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Thanks for removing all doubt that you are not a decent human soul and just the right wing wing version of Calbear and Ian The Admin.
How?
He isn't wrong.
Why do you think a lot of veterans from the military who deployed to the ME are racist an say such things about the people of the middle east.
Thier culture does not allow for anything besides corruption in thier military and government for instance.
 

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How?
He isn't wrong.
Why do you think a lot of veterans from the military who deployed to the ME are racist an say such things about the people of the middle east.
Thier culture does not allow for anything besides corruption in thier military and government for instance.
@Marduk as far as I can tell isn't a veteran like you and to be fair I too find many cultural aspects of the Middle East and near areas to be disgusting inhuman and aberrations, but you don't see me making borderline eugenicist-talk which sounds like he is talking like WolfBear.

Don't you need a significant other before you can get cucked? I thought that was a prerequisite.
Holy shit, the only other statement that made me laugh so hard here was @Zachowon reply to Truman not declare WW3.
 

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So are we talking developed or stable? These absolutely aren't the same thing. North Korea is very stable, more than any of the Arab countries, even the rich ones, but it's the golden standard for being a shithole and definitely not developed.
Turkmenistan is a hereditary dictatorship, so absolute monarchy in all but name. Also very stable, but a shithole.
Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain and Kuwait? Well they have a lot of oil money to spend at pretending to be stable. Including stuff like separate armed forces just to watch for the leader.
Without oil money they would be in deep shit.
Long story short, if you told me that Afghanistan will become a stable North Korea or Turkmenistan style shithole under a monarchy, i wouldn' t call that unlikely. But that wouldn't make it developed or not a shithole.

Better at what? High IQ people are definitely better at rocket science, neurosurgery and programming than the low IQ ones. What will they do with these abilities is a separate issue also related to culture, politics and so on.
Turkmenistan's GDP PPP per capita is now almost at $20,000:


So, it's authoritarian but not exactly a shithole. And like the Kazakh capital of Astana, its own capital of Ashgabat has experienced a huge building boom as of late:






 

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Thanks for removing all doubt that you are not a decent human soul and just the right wing wing version of Calbear and Ian The Admin.
You are a self admitted leftist, so i have no choice but to take this judgement as praise.
Turkmenistan's GDP PPP per capita is now almost at $20,000:


So, it's authoritarian but not exactly a shithole. And like the Kazakh capital of Astana, its own capital of Ashgabat has experienced a huge building boom as of late:






So Qatar with much less petro money.
Of course, as any stereotypical shithole, it has grand prestige projects in the capital.
 
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If they can argue they would be killed if they don't do that, this theory even in the most basic variant allows them to. Besides it's a moot point, because the same principles that ground the whole idea of unconditional refugee admission say you can't require anyone to do such a thing, especially refugees. In a bit more loose one, it's not forbidden for them to larp as "moderate Muslims" even if they aren't if they are planning to make some kind of problems or another at the expense of the infidels.
Umm the world is more than America and Europe. If they have a choice between Europe that requires them to publicly post a video online of them leaving Islam and becoming Christian, or poor South America or some other 2nd world nation that lets them keep their faith. The Muslim answer is to go to South America.

Well then guess prison gangs (and Afghans too) have invented one simple trick to turn people gay. And in your clown world turning people straight is equally easy.
People who rape other men in prison are gay. My "clown world" is you are straight by having sex with women, and not men. In YOUR clown world you can suck all the dicks you like, and get fucked up the ass everyday and as long as you aren't attracted to the other guy you are "straight".

Literally prison rape logic, stop making a clown out of yourself. Being gay is having gay sex out of preference, not because someone forced or bribed you to do it.
Umm you are the one who is using prison rape logic. They say that they aren't gay even though they are having sex with men, because of some technicality either they are on top or they are doing it to punish the other guy or whatever. You are saying that someone is not gay because they are doing it because they got paid, not because they want to.

Mine is simple you are gay by having gay sex.
 
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