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United States The United States and Immigration Policy

strunkenwhite

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Building a fucking wall would be significantly more difficult and be entirely useless at stopping the main vector of overstaying otherwise legitimate visas.
 

Megadeath

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We've honestly wasted much more money on much worse crap then a make work project for people who live on the boarder of the united states.
There are way more important infrastructure issues that could use the money and man power, though a government works program to supplement welfare and take some strain off the system would be a good thing.
 

Megadeath

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So...the increase in numbers means Biden is doing bettwr?
More arrests? I'd say so, yes. Though really apart from the increase in people trying to get through leading to more arrests (A phenomenon that hardly started under Biden, since trumps administration also saw what was at the time record numbers.) they're really much the same. I don't exactly consider that ideal, but I definitely think that stopping and arresting more of the actual known criminal illegals trying to get in is a solid plus. I'd be curious how it could possibly be viewed as a bad thing?
 

Cherico

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There are way more important infrastructure issues that could use the money and man power, though a government works program to supplement welfare and take some strain off the system would be a good thing.
Ok as a californian I heartledly laugh at that.


You want to fix infostructor? Congratulations first you have to deal with the enviromentalists who will slow everything to a fucking crawl, then you have to deal with a small army of regulators each one with their hands out, then actually fixing the thing goes to who ever has political connections, then most likely you end up dealing with union rules created during the 1930s to slow things down further. If your lucky shit gets built at 300% the promised price and it takes twice as long to build then promised if your lucky.

If the stated cause is helping poor people it get more expensive and it will be desgined to be deliberately as ugly as possible and it wont work as well as advertized because of the money that gets embezzeled, if an actual socialist is in charge of said project amp that embezzlement rate up by at least 10% and expect the socialist talking about how he's all about the poor to pocket as much money as possible while abusing the workers and being a morally self rightous asshole about it the entire time.
 

FriedCFour

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Building a fucking wall would be significantly more difficult and be entirely useless at stopping the main vector of overstaying otherwise legitimate visas.
It would be very helpful at stopping over the border drug and human trafficking which is the worst part of our current border situation. Also, it would be nice to build things once again that are beautiful and are for giving messages to the people of your nation.
 

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Building a fucking wall would be significantly more difficult and be entirely useless at stopping the main vector of overstaying otherwise legitimate visas.
Just because someone has a second wound, do you not bandage the first?

Both issues need to be dealt with. A wall has the advantage of making it physically more difficult for people to enter illegally, and sending a message that people should stop trying.

Visa overstays is an enforcement issue. It will always be an enforcement issue, and in order to really deal with that, overcoming the institutional grip leftists have on the bureaucracy will be necessary, which is going to be a massive struggle all by itself.
 

FriedCFour

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Just because someone has a second wound, do you not bandage the first?

Both issues need to be dealt with. A wall has the advantage of making it physically more difficult for people to enter illegally, and sending a message that people should stop trying.

Visa overstays is an enforcement issue. It will always be an enforcement issue, and in order to really deal with that, overcoming the institutional grip leftists have on the bureaucracy will be necessary, which is going to be a massive struggle all by itself.
There’s also the point that known drug smugglers, human traffickers, rapists, and murderers cant generally get Visas. They can however cross the Rio Grande. Not enough people bring that up. If you are going to make a wound analogy, this is like saying the six inch long cut needs to be prioritized over the four inch long cut, but the four inch cut is over a major vein.
 
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Bear Ribs

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Building a fucking wall would be significantly more difficult and be entirely useless at stopping the main vector of overstaying otherwise legitimate visas.
Not all illegal immigrants are created equal, so to speak. A student overstaying her visa and getting a job as a nanny for some rich politician in California inflicts relatively little damage to the US compared to somebody crossing the border with five tons of cocaine or fifty children destined for a pedo brothel.
 

Husky_Khan

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Speaking of Visas... who knew five digits worth of H1-B Visas could have such a disproportionate effect on local economies.


Charlotte Observer said:
Former U.S. Rep. Bruce Morrison, principal author of the 1990 law that created the H-1B visa, said the original goal was to help companies fill a skills gap. But he’s frustrated at how companies, particularly outsourcing firms, are using the program.

Such companies hire large amounts of H-1B visa workers to temporarily fill jobs in the U.S. before eventually sending those workers – and the jobs – overseas where wages are lower, he said.

“The outsourcing model is a conveyor belt to move jobs offshore,” said Morrison, a Democrat who represented Connecticut. “It is of great concern.”

Morrison and others say some employers are using the program to save thousands of dollars by hiring foreigners over Americans who would be paid more. In Charlotte, employers can save an average of $17,678 a year for each visa worker they hire, according to an estimate provided to a Senate committee this year by an IT industry group.
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According to an estimate from the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, a Washington, D.C.-based professional organization, at least 45,000 Americans are laid off each year and replaced by H-1B workers employed by outsourcing firms.
Wow look at that "skills gap."
 

Bear Ribs

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It's always fun to bring up H1-B Visas with Silicon Valley California types who are trying to claim that immigrants are just doing jobs Americans won't. They're always strongly in favor of immigrants in sectors they don't work in, which reduces their cost of living, and spitting mad at the thought of immigrants taking away American jobs in their field, which reduces their potential job options and wages. Of course, getting them to see the obvious parallel there is not easy, it never is when the person you're arguing with has a financial incentive to not see it.
 

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Ok as a californian I heartledly laugh at that.


You want to fix infostructor? Congratulations first you have to deal with the enviromentalists who will slow everything to a fucking crawl, then you have to deal with a small army of regulators each one with their hands out, then actually fixing the thing goes to who ever has political connections, then most likely you end up dealing with union rules created during the 1930s to slow things down further. If your lucky shit gets built at 300% the promised price and it takes twice as long to build then promised if your lucky.

If the stated cause is helping poor people it get more expensive and it will be desgined to be deliberately as ugly as possible and it wont work as well as advertized because of the money that gets embezzeled, if an actual socialist is in charge of said project amp that embezzlement rate up by at least 10% and expect the socialist talking about how he's all about the poor to pocket as much money as possible while abusing the workers and being a morally self rightous asshole about it the entire time.
Don't forget how whichever sub-contractor ends up building it will design it to fail, so that they'll keep getting paid to fix it every year or so. Was watching a guy on Youtube who does videos on culverts, and that's apparently depressingly common with modern infrastructure. One brand new construction involved using the wrong type of pipes and connecting them improperly, causing them to leak and start eroding the ground underneath them almost immediately after installation.
 
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