United States The United States and Immigration Policy

[strunkenwhite]

You have used many words to suggest why whites are supposed to feel guilty for winning when no one else does.

I said no such thing; it was only after entering your eyes that it became suggestive of that. That's on you.

 

[DocSolarisReich]

I said no such thing; it was only after entering your eyes that it became suggestive of that. That's on you.

Then I have no idea what your expressions of false sentimentality are in service to.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Then I have no idea what your expressions of false sentimentality are in service to.

And, as I already said, your own statement is worthless. We could continue the conversation in pursuit of mutual understanding, but it's probably off topic for this thread.

 

[Captain X]

You have a weird habit of replying to people without quoting them.

People sometimes make posts just before I do, and I don't always notice. 🤷‍♂️ I was actually responding to the both of you.

Note that I said “that’s why you’d bring it up”. The only other reason is to use your identity politically, which you absolutely have been doing lol. You’re clearly invested in it, you value it, and it impacts your views. You wrote a big post of “from a native perspective” and of “schadenfreude”.

No matter how much you insist it, I'm not using my identity politically. For one thing, it's only part of my heritage to begin with. It simply adds perspective. So, rather than insisting what my actual intent is, why not go back and actually read what I said concerning immigration rather than just insisting on seeing red.

You have used many words to suggest why whites are supposed to feel guilty for winning when no one else does.

Because you keep insisting that you're better with one side of your mouth while playing the "whatabout" game with the other.

 

[DocSolarisReich]

Because you keep insisting that you're better with one side of your mouth while playing the "whatabout" game with the other.

'Better' than whom? 'Better' at what?

Violence? Because my ancestors sure were better at that than yours.

 

[FriedCFour]

People sometimes make posts just before I do, and I don't always notice. 🤷‍♂️ I was actually responding to the both of you.


No matter how much you insist it, I'm not using my identity politically. For one thing, it's only part of my heritage to begin with. It simply adds perspective. So, rather than insisting what my actual intent is, why not go back and actually read what I said concerning immigration rather than just insisting on seeing red.

And mainly I only needle like that when white folks like to talk down about immigration,

It is mainly stemming from the idea that white people are trying to delegitimize Natives' claim to the Americas, so this isn't a problem with all of humanity originating in Africa so much as smug white people using the "you're just immigrants, too" line and things like certain ancient remains being said to more closely resemble white people than Natives.

Pfft! Y'all are immigrants as far as I'm concerned.

The other perspective is hinted at above - Natives have seen this shit happen already. While there is a certain schadenfreude element to it, it is only darkly humorous to me. Actually this angle is one of the ones I like to take in dealing with the regressive left, particularly if they ever being up colonization. Naturally they rationalize and make excuses about how they totally don't have the same attitude as those who tried to wipe out Native cultures, and them being intolerant of viewpoints other than their own totally isn't the same thing. And, as you might guess, I'd be in the minority (ha!) even among other Natives when it comes to my perspectives, as for the most part they're fully on board with identity politics.

Like I don’t really understand how this isn’t identity politics. What exactly do you think identity politics are? I’m also not seeing red here lol, but really it just seems like your arguments are a lot more reliant on the emotional weight of identity, and using that to brow beat whites into submission to your ideology.

I did read what you said regarding immigration. However you still seem to be focused on “legal vs illegal” which I think isn’t so big a distinction here as both bear similar effects. I also don’t even see a way to commit to TRs ideas under the current state of things. The only immigrant groups that have overall been okay in terms of adaptation are those fleeing communism. The rest assimilate to globalist liberalism and deassimilate the native population.

 

[Navarro]

I'm sorry, but I thought you claimed to be a Christian?

I honestly can't tell if you're just shit-posting, or if you've completely thrown the gospel out altogether.

I mean, he did say that he was concerned that Vishnu's tenth avatar may be coming soon ...

 

[Captain X]

Like I don’t really understand how this isn’t identity politics. What exactly do you think identity politics are?

The regressive left has made that all, to clear, and it doesn't consist of simply bringing up one's heritage and commenting on an issue from that perspective.

I’m also not seeing red here lol, but really it just seems like your arguments are a lot more reliant on the emotional weight of identity, and using that to brow beat whites into submission to your ideology.

lol, the only one doing any brow-beating is you and the white nationalist types. For me, as can quite plainly be seen by what you quoted of what I said, it started out as a fairly light-hearted comment.

I did read what you said regarding immigration. However you still seem to be focused on “legal vs illegal” which I think isn’t so big a distinction here as both bear similar effects.

Which then would not be using my identity as a Native to argue in favor of uncontrolled immigration, then would it?

I also don’t even see a way to commit to TRs ideas under the current state of things. The only immigrant groups that have overall been okay in terms of adaptation are those fleeing communism. The rest assimilate to globalist liberalism and deassimilate the native population.

The native population needs to stop bending the knee. It's not something that's going to happen instantly, and we can't even do much about it until we can stop the Democrats from just cheating in every election, but that's what it's going to come down to.

 

[FriedCFour]

The regressive left has made that all, to clear, and it doesn't consist of simply bringing up one's heritage and commenting on an issue from that perspective.

I mean as far as I understand it identity politics is just politics that involves your inherent identity which is like, all politics up until the liberal era.

lol, the only one doing any brow-beating is you and the white nationalist types. For me, as can quite plainly be seen by what you quoted of what I said, it started out as a fairly light-hearted comment.

Are you talking about in this thread? Also I don’t think anyone in here is a white nationalist type and I don’t think you even know what that means. Not being a libertarian/classical liberal doesn’t make you then a white nationalist.

Which then would not be using my identity as a Native to argue in favor of uncontrolled immigration, then would it?

No, but it is trying to say “all of you are just immigrants here” which is A. Wrong and B. almost always to try and diminish and admonish immigration restrictionists.

 

[Captain X]

I mean as far as I understand it identity politics is just politics that involves your inherent identity which is like, all politics up until the liberal era.

Identity politics is all about assigning stereotypes to people (and restricting them to those stereotypes), mostly based on what they look like, i.e. the idea that because one is white, they are inherently racist, and anyone who is not white cannot possibly be racist against you, all to play into the communist idea of oppressor vs. oppressed. The closest I've come to that is simply to point out that Natives beat white folks to the Americas, and that white folks committed atrocities against Natives. I never blamed any of that on you or anyone here, nor did I claim you were racist because you aren't Native.

Are you talking about in this thread? Also I don’t think anyone in here is a white nationalist type and I don’t think you even know what that means. Not being a libertarian/classical liberal doesn’t make you then a white nationalist.

Is this an attempt at gaslighting? Dude, one of them and basically just came right out and said it. Others are just heavily leaning into it. You really have no place trying to talk down to someone about supposedly not knowing what something means.

No, but it is trying to say “all of you are just immigrants here” which is A. Wrong and B. almost always to try and diminish and admonish immigration restrictionists.

It's not wrong, no matter how much you wish it to be. It was a joke, meant to remind you that at some point, someone further down your family tree was also once an immigrant, and that if you aren't Native, someone is always going to have one-up on you as far as complaining about immigrants. At no time did I advocate for open borders or unrestricted immigration.

 

[Cherico]

Identity politics is all about assigning stereotypes to people (and restricting them to those stereotypes), mostly based on what they look like, i.e. the idea that because one is white, they are inherently racist, and anyone who is not white cannot possibly be racist against you, all to play into the communist idea of oppressor vs. oppressed. The closest I've come to that is simply to point out that Natives beat white folks to the Americas, and that white folks committed atrocities against Natives. I never blamed any of that on you or anyone here, nor did I claim you were racist because you aren't Native.


Is this an attempt at gaslighting? Dude, one of them and basically just came right out and said it. Others are just heavily leaning into it. You really have no place trying to talk down to someone about supposedly not knowing what something means.


It's not wrong, no matter how much you wish it to be. It was a joke, meant to remind you that at some point, someone further down your family tree was also once an immigrant, and that if you aren't Native, someone is always going to have one-up on you as far as complaining about immigrants. At no time did I advocate for open borders or unrestricted immigration.

got to give this to the natives they gave us hell during that entire process, plenty of battles were lost, or near run things and this went on for centuries. They did not go quitely into the night and put up one hell of a fight.

 

[Captain X]

Something to emulate when it comes to the commies as far as I'm concerned. Except, hopefully not the losing part.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Biden is inspiring such courage in people. It's truly powerful.

“Is business booming right now?” the Univision reporter asks one alleged coyote. “Does it pay well?”

“It does, given the situation with the people,” the man responded.

“At least that’s what these two young men say, having built a profitable business by helping Central American families seeking asylum to cross (into the U.S.),” the reporter says before interviewing another man.

“We just come here to earn our daily bread like everybody else. … In all honesty, there are way too many people. Believe me,” the second alleged coyote says. “With the benefits your new president is now granting, people found the courage to come.”

Alleged Coyote To Univision: Biden’s ‘Benefits’ Gave Migrants ‘The Courage’ To Illegally Enter U.S. | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

 

[Husky_Khan]

Our borders are healing...



Border Walls are also infrastructure... Sorry I mean "levees."

 

[Robovski]

Our borders are healing...



Border Walls are also infrastructure... Sorry I mean "levees."

No refunds!

 

[History Learner]

I'm in favor of annexing Mexico, but cut off all other sources of immigration and aggressively deport illegals. About the only exception I would make is for Ukrainians or a selective number of visas to other first world nations like Japan, Ireland, etc.

 

[Yinko]

Our borders are healing...



Border Walls are also infrastructure... Sorry I mean "levees."

So this is what, the 3rd or 4th time that Biden has flipped on the border wall? First he says he's going to restart it, then he says he's going to give the money back to the Pentagon, and now construction has resumed.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Our borders are healing...
Border Walls are also infrastructure... Sorry I mean "levees."

Levees are not normally resistant to being traversed other than by water, are they? Are these ones in particular?

 

[Husky_Khan]

Levees are not normally resistant to being traversed other than by water, are they? Are these ones in particular?

Actually it turns out Fox News and other outlets were presenting it as an expansion of the border wall (some of those tweets were deleted as in reference to the above) so they issued a 'clarification' some time later and even threw some shade on the previous administration for alledgedly 'blowing holes' in previous flood barriers in order to make way for border wall construction, though the pictures are pretty disappointing for any sort of cool blasting of levees or whatever.

DHS Announces Steps to Protect Border Communities from Wall Construction | Homeland Security

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced initial steps to protect border communities from physical dangers resulting from the previous administration’s approach to border wall construction.

www.dhs.gov

Fox News meanwhile calls it border wall levee construction now.

Biden administration to resume border wall levee construction as crisis worsens

The Biden administration will resume construction of southern border wall levee, Fox News confirms, as the immigration crisis continues to spiral out of control.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Husky_Khan]

There's going to be an Audit/Investigation taken by the Department of Homeland Security into an $87 million dollar contract award to a firm known as Endeavours which assisted illegal immigrants in finding housing in US hotels. The reason for this investigation seem to be due to the fact the company allegedly received a no bid contract and was also involved with supporting the Biden Campaign.

An independent auditor within the Department of Homeland Security will launch an investigation into the Biden administration awarding an $87 million contract to house in hotels migrant families who illegally crossed the southern border.

The DHS Office of the Inspector General will examine how Texas-based Endeavors was given a massive federal contract by DHS agency Immigration and Customs Enforcement following the Washington Examiner’s report that exposed the nonprofit group’s potential conflicts of interest, including how its senior director worked on President Joe Biden’s transition team.

“The decision to award a massive, no-bid contract to the nonprofit Endeavors raised many questions including how an organization with no experience working with ICE could win a non-compete contract,” House Homeland Security Committee ranking member John Katko, a New York Republican, said in a statement Monday. “It’s bad enough that this administration has created a self-inflicted border crisis. Its response should now be focused on reversing the misguided policies that got us here — not engaging in activity that raises significant ethical questions.”

Biden administration's $87 million contract to house migrants in hotels to be investigated

An independent auditor within the Department of Homeland Security will launch an investigation into the Biden administration awarding an $87 million contract to house in hotels migrant families who illegally crossed the southern border.

www.washingtonexaminer.com