The Americas The Tyranny within Canada: Trade War and Collapse

[SoliFortissimi]

I don't refuse to acknowledge it

I hope more people were like you. Being wrong is fine, being dishonest isn't.

 

[Largo]

Trump didn't invent the idea, there have been entire political parties in Canada dedicated to it in the past. Hell the two nations joining together is in basically every alternate or future history, and people have been fantasizing about such a thing for basically ever in geopolitical circles. Trump simply took something that most people have thought about and moved it from something seen as impossible due to some leftover taboo to a thing being discussed.

Can you name one?

This is a sincere question. I don't consume much fiction to be fair, but the only alternate or future history I can think of which has the US annexing Canada as a major event is Fallout. And saying "We should try to be more like Fallout America" is....a take.

 

[MarkWarrior]

Can you name one?

This is a sincere question. I don't consume much fiction to be fair, but the only alternate or future history I can think of which has the US annexing Canada as a major event is Fallout. And saying "We should try to be more like Fallout America" is....a take.

Mass Effect not only has Canada, but also Mexico joining and becoming the North American States (Or Union, something like that.)

 

[Largo]

Mass Effect not only has Canada, but also Mexico joining and becoming the North American States (Or Union, something like that.)

That, to me, is different. (and I straight up didn't know that having played the trilogy)

Plenty of science fiction has Earth uniting as a single planet enabling brave heroes to roam the stars, but that doesn't mean that a US-Canada union is a major part of the story. I did say as a "major event". The US's annexation of Canada and its results is stated quite a bit in Fallout, while you can play Mass Effect without even knowing that happened (as I said, I didn't know that happened).

So to clarify, I'm looking for a fiction where:
1. A US-Canadian annexation happens (toss in Mexico too, if you like)
2. The Union is actually a setting where people have some interaction in the story.
3. The Union is portrayed positively (Fallout fails, and Code Geass is another example I've thought of that also fails this test)

So if Shepherd had said "I'm from the North American States and it's a nice place to live", even that single line would be enough to make it count.

 

[Skitzyfrenic]

Can you name one?

I think Civ Beyond Earth's 'American Reclamation Corp' is close. Technically, it's a megacorp adjacent to the governments of USA, Canada, Mexico, and Singapore.

UCAS (United Canadian and American States) is a nation in Shadowrun. (Quebec is independent)

Hearts of Iron 4 has a Pan American path.

Handmaid's Tale and The Hunger Games both technically depict a unified Canadian-US state.

HALO has the United Republic of North America as a member state of the UEG though the still extant UN. It's made up of the US, Canada, and Mexico.

Most depictions of a unified 'North America' aren't from particularly happy timelines. Especially if they get into it. My guess is because they tend to be from 'recent conquests' or 'post apocalypse' and not peaceful integrations. And because if you go beyond a planet, the planet tends to be unified for, likely, simplicities sake. It's honestly a pretty small niche where it comes up.

The Killing Ground: The Canadian Civil War has Quebec say 'fuck you' to Canada which eventually collapses the Canuck gov't and forces US intervention, occupation, and subsequent Canadian resistance. Just to give you an idea of some fairly typical US-Canada unification that actually gets into it.

There is at least one 'Canada unites the continent by invading the USA' in Faultline 49.

It's an easy 'alt history' because of the whole 'America's Hat' relationship that Canada has enjoyed since WW2. And isn't like 90% of Canada's population relatively hugging the border? The openness of our souring relations and the schism forming wasn't super apparent until Castro Jr became the PM, so the unification was a lot more a thing in previous decades of alt-hist and theoretical futures. But it was also pretty low key, afaik.

It's 'easy' (to justify) a Canadian-US unification in a lot of timelines.

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I don't know where it's actually said but the UNAS seems to be a thing.

Vancouver is now a unified city and the seeming 'on Earth' capital of the Systems Alliance (Arcturus Station being the actual Capital and Capitol). It, the unification, happens before ME1, obviously, and a couple of the ME3 dates with Kaiden suggest he's Canadian. Given that the studio is Canadian...

Systems Alliance is like a UN that is actually useful. It was formed pre-leaving Sol by the 18 largest nations on Earth. They form a EU/UN type representative body, so that would lead me to believe that Earth has outsized representation and that there are multiple nations still on Earth.

I wish I could tell you more, but the ME wiki is garbage so I can't point to which game or book or which codex entry has it.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

This is what you do not understand..I am NOT loyal to the current regime in Canada and its institutions. I look at the flag and feel......nothing. No stir of pride, no patriotism, no sense of nation. I feel nothing.

What I want is the complete destruction of the current system, the complete replacement of its elites and something NEW, rooted in the best of the old, but placed in the present. Something derived from our history and reality but adapted to the modern age. Something I can actually take pride in.

With respect: cringe and revolutionary pilled.

Burning it all down to rebuild from the ashes hasn’t worked out for anyone ever. You’ll find ashes are bad building material indeed.

The art of statecraft lies in making do with what you have.

 

[StormEagle]

Can you name one?

This is a sincere question. I don't consume much fiction to be fair, but the only alternate or future history I can think of which has the US annexing Canada as a major event is Fallout. And saying "We should try to be more like Fallout America" is....a take.

I'm pretty sure Harry Turtledove's Southern Victory series has the Union conquering Canada after WW2.

Not great alt history to be fair, but it’s there.

 

[ATP]

I'm pretty sure Harry Turtledove's Southern Victory series has the Union conquering Canada after WW2.

Not great alt history to be fair, but it’s there.

Agree,but i think,that it happened after WW1 there.
And Drakian series - USA conqered Mexico there.

 

[StormEagle]

Agree,but i think,that it happened after WW1 there.
And Drakian series - USA conqered Mexico there.

You’re right, it was WW1. With Roosevelt and Custer rolling the Canuck’s with ‘Barrels’.

That will never not be a stupid name change for tanks.

 

[Typhonis]

The Stars and Stripes novel series. It involves a war between the US and Breat Britain during the ACW....


It's crap.

 

[LordsFire]

Wise kings also lay it down how it is.

This is what is happening, this is the situation you are in. And this is the oppurtunity you are going to be given. You can take it or not.

Yes, because you personally know for a fact that Animalnoodles is a cuckold, and bringing it up was absolutely essential to making your 'lay it down how it is' point.

No, you're just trying to excuse your immature name-calling by pretending it's necessary to tell the truth.

You're not engaging here in a way intended to persuade people of the Truth, you're just getting your jollies by being a jerk, and trying to wrap yourself in some form of moral superiority while you do so.

 

[DarthOne]

*UPDATE* Alberta referendum for secession is really happening

Canada might fall apart quicker then expected

 

[mrttao]

*UPDATE* Alberta referendum for secession is really happening

Canada might fall apart quicker then expected

Hilarious. Really hope for their sake they succeed in secceeding.

 

[King Arts]

This is what you do not understand..I am NOT loyal to the current regime in Canada and its institutions. I look at the flag and feel......nothing. No stir of pride, no patriotism, no sense of nation. I feel nothing.

What I want is the complete destruction of the current system, the complete replacement of its elites and something NEW, rooted in the best of the old, but placed in the present. Something derived from our history and reality but adapted to the modern age. Something I can actually take pride in.

If I thought for a moment I could actually get that as part of the USA I would support annexation with all my heart.

The problem is, I wont get that as part of the USA. The USA is a decadent, stagnant, imperialistic plutocracy dominated by minority interests.

Conservative USA? What a joke. You are defenders of a Liberal revolution which my ancestors explicitly rejected. You are the USSR of sodomy. Queer theory, Critical race theory, DEI, ESG, 'bioethics', Resentment studies, etc etc all that cultural sewage was incubated in your universities and spread to the world via your media, intel services, NGOs and 'aid programs'. Shit, even modern Satanism has its origins in the 'conservative usa'. There is a reason for that, and its not because you are 'conservative'.

If we were to join you we would be a deindustrialised husk. A vast resource colony of impoverished and depopulated cities, corporate kholkozes and open pit mines all worked by cheap mexican labour. Whatever remained of our identity would be submerged in the blob and turned into products. No thank you.

You not not by any measure "Conservative". Conservatives conserve things, and you conserve nothing.

Yes what you said is true in the bolded part. But the fact is that all of the other nations in the west besides maybe the Swiss are even worse in decadence, stagnancy, and being plutocrats dominated by minorities.

Again yes the US invented wokeism. But other nations like Canada were infected even worse than we are.

Yes the founding of America was a revolution against the monarchy with enlightenment ideals influenced it. But the British Empire vastly surpassed America in liberal enlightenment and tried to spread it all over the world when we did. We can look at the slave issue for instance where you guys instantly banned it, and then tried to force the stop of it.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Can you name one?

Aliens...
United Americas

 

[Bacle]

That, to me, is different. (and I straight up didn't know that having played the trilogy)

Plenty of science fiction has Earth uniting as a single planet enabling brave heroes to roam the stars, but that doesn't mean that a US-Canada union is a major part of the story. I did say as a "major event". The US's annexation of Canada and its results is stated quite a bit in Fallout, while you can play Mass Effect without even knowing that happened (as I said, I didn't know that happened).

So to clarify, I'm looking for a fiction where:
1. A US-Canadian annexation happens (toss in Mexico too, if you like)
2. The Union is actually a setting where people have some interaction in the story.
3. The Union is portrayed positively (Fallout fails, and Code Geass is another example I've thought of that also fails this test)

So if Shepherd had said "I'm from the North American States and it's a nice place to live", even that single line would be enough to make it count.

Ah, so you would understand what I mean when I say that the US going full Holy Britannian Empire, but without the whole royalty and magic shit to interfere, and with US Constitutional Rights being what we bring with us to new states/territoies, is one of the better outcomes, in a world that also has Putin's Russia and Xi's CCP to content with.

Wouldn't even need to invade Japan, they are already allies and not alt/magitech Saudi Arabia, in this timeline.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Yes what you said is true in the bolded part. But the fact is that all of the other nations in the west besides maybe the Swiss are even worse in decadence, stagnancy, and being plutocrats dominated by minorities.

Again yes the US invented wokeism. But other nations like Canada were infected even worse than we are.

Yes the founding of America was a revolution against the monarchy with enlightenment ideals influenced it. But the British Empire vastly surpassed America in liberal enlightenment and tried to spread it all over the world when we did. We can look at the slave issue for instance where you guys instantly banned it, and then tried to force the stop of it.

The British Empire is dead. It never spread transgenderism or Critical Race Theory.

The American Empire is here. It does.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

The American Empire is here. It does.

What we have at the moment is, unfortunately, down to a mix of America violently refusing to swallow the empire pill in the same vein as a Cat and a worming tablet, and a bit of cultural schizophrenia caused by ideological flaws in liberal doctrine.

Once that’s sorted of course, you’d essentially have a “Republican” incarnation of the British Empire. These are historically temporary problems as the American colossus learns on the job.

 

[Cherico]

What we have at the moment is, unfortunately, down to a mix of America violently refusing to swallow the empire pill in the same vein as a Cat and a worming tablet, and a bit of cultural schizophrenia caused by ideological flaws in liberal doctrine.

Once that’s sorted of course, you’d essentially have a “Republican” incarnation of the British Empire. These are historically temporary problems as the American colossus learns on the job.

 

[Bacle]

What we have at the moment is, unfortunately, down to a mix of America violently refusing to swallow the empire pill in the same vein as a Cat and a worming tablet, and a bit of cultural schizophrenia caused by ideological flaws in liberal doctrine.

Once that’s sorted of course, you’d essentially have a “Republican” incarnation of the British Empire. These are historically temporary problems as the American colossus learns on the job.

America, if we could get over a few internal issues, could become the nicest, friendliest empire in the history of the planet.

We can even let out new territories/allies keep their old royal families and most of their old laws/cultures, so long as they don't conflict with the US Constitution.

SPQA is a dream that the US can achieve, if we truly want it; a Constitutional Empire is something America is uniquely placed to attempt.