The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

[Aldarion]

Well, yeah, they're actually right about that one. That is racist. The ironic thing is that you and the social justice types actually share a lot of the same rationalizations for it to explain away how it's totally not racist even though it is. I mean, do i really have to explain how not wanting people of other races to live in your country is? Should I even go into the added layer of wanting an ethnostate in the Americas if you aren't Native American? I'm guessing this also means you don't like people who are made up of more than one race?

And what if I want Native Americans to have their own ethnostate? (EDIT: And preferably more than one, because there are multiple ethnic groups among Native Americans as well). Why would you assume that I am only applying my principles to white people?

I have no problem with people who are made up of more than one race. But I have a problem with a system which led to that, because it was usually founded on or else led to genocide and similar "fun" things.

Serious question: isn't white nationalism a subset of ethnonationalism? If not, what are the differences?

White nationalism is racialism. It is not based on ethnicity, it is based on race, which relative to ethnicity is a supergroup.

Kinda like a difference between regionalism and nationalism.

 

[Captain X]

And what if I want Native Americans to have their own ethnostate? (EDIT: And preferably more than one, because there are multiple ethnic groups among Native Americans as well). Why would you assume that I am only applying my principles to white people?

We already kind of have those - they're called reservations. Non-Natives can still live there, though. Let's put it this way, though - there's a reason so many of the youth identify with gangsta rap about living in the ghetto. Is that something you'd really want for yourself?

I have no problem with people who are made up of more than one race. But I have a problem with a system which led to that, because it was usually founded on or else led to genocide and similar "fun" things.

That's kind of the same thing, though, in that you're still basically wishing such people did not exist. I guess on the bright side you aren't brainwashing any teenagers into hating themselves and having them do slam poetry about how much they hate their parents.

White nationalism is racialism. It is not based on ethnicity, it is based on race, which relative to ethnicity is a supergroup.

Kinda like a difference between regionalism and nationalism.

That's kind of a semantic argument, but am I to take it to mean that you'd happily go back to whatever European country your ancestors came from and try creating your ethnostate there?

 

[DocSolarisReich]

White nationalism is racialism. It is not based on ethnicity, it is based on race, which relative to ethnicity is a supergroup.

Kinda like a difference between regionalism and nationalism.

This is slightly complicated in the specifically American context where ‘white’ is also the name of a largely hypothetical American macro-nation. There was a real attempt to reconcile the various regional nations, specifically the Yankee, Mid Westerner, and Southron ones between the end of first reconstruction and the beginning of second reconstruction. But if there’s anything left of it, it seems to exist largely in the minds of WNs and their enemies.

 

[Aldarion]

We already kind of have those - they're called reservations. Non-Natives can still live there, though. Let's put it this way, though - there's a reason so many of the youth identify with gangsta rap about living in the ghetto. Is that something you'd really want for yourself?

Considering most likely alternatives are this or this, yes. It has worked for literal millenia, so how is it bad?

That's kind of the same thing, though, in that you're still basically wishing such people did not exist. I guess on the bright side you aren't brainwashing any teenagers into hating themselves and having them do slam poetry about how much they hate their parents.

It is not the same, because it means I do accept their existence. Just like I accept the existence of USA or Turkey despite wishing they didn't exist (or at least, not in their current form).

That's kind of a semantic argument, but am I to take it to mean that you'd happily go back to whatever European country your ancestors came from and try creating your ethnostate there?

My ancestors have been living where they are for the last 1400 years. More to the point, however, there are no - existing - ethnic groups which have a better claim to the land where we are living now.

 

[DocSolarisReich]

My ancestors have been living where they are for the last 1400 years. More to the point, however, there are no - existing - ethnic groups which have a better claim to the land where we are living now.

Every particular people that lives in a particular place lives there in that place because of the successful, or not, violence of their ancestors along with the shared suffering of generations to make a place for and provide for the each generation, down to the present. No one has any reason to be ashamed of their ancestors or to 'leave' or 'move' somewhere else. God put you in a people and a place, do your duty to them and to him.

This isn't really complicated.

(Not really directed at @Aldarion just in general)

 

[Bacle]

This part is disturbing and does not cast you in any better light than the person you're replying to.

I have to agree there - prejudice is prejudice. Plenty of reasonable women out there who happen to be white. Just have to steer clear of the crazy ones.

You did see the part where I posted the the other part of my reasoning, the part about melonomia and by bullied by white women of both types, right?

Also, this isn't anything I haven't said before in other threads. I've made it plain I want any kids I have to have darker skin than my pasty cracker ass, and for multiple reasons.

 

[LindyAF]

Also, this isn't anything I haven't said before in other threads. I've made it plain I want any kids I have to have darker skin than my pasty cracker ass, and for multiple reasons.

When I thought my opinion of you couldn't go any lower...

Bizarre exotic fetishism.

 

[Bacle]

When I thought my opinion of you couldn't go any lower...

Bizarre exotic fetishism.

Reduced melonomia risk isn't a festish, and melonomia is something I have to keep a very watchful eye on given how easily I burn, even with sunscreen.

People with more melanin in thier skin have reduced chances of getting melonomia, so...

 

[GoldRanger]

You did see the part where I posted the the other part of my reasoning, the part about melonomia and by bullied by white women of both types, right?

Ah. You've been bullied by white women, so now you won't consider dating any. That's racist even by the "old" (and proper) definition, dude. White women as a collective (in so much as there even is such a thing) are not responsible for bullying you. If you're just not physically attracted to all/most white women, that's another matter entirely and is perfectly your right, but just say so.

Also, this isn't anything I haven't said before in other threads. I've made it plain I want any kids I have to have darker skin than my pasty cracker ass, and for multiple reasons.

Creepy vibes.

 

[Morphic Tide]

Ah yes, 'white' folks don't exist, ergo they can't be genocided. Thanks!

So you just completely ignore the first paragraph because you can't strawman it into your "racial" identarian bullshit? The paragraph you are responding to is a matter of saying that the level "genocide" actually applies to is much lower, often below the level of even individual nations. Great Britain natively had at least three ethnic groups before the Age of Empire, let alone the modern migrant waves.

There is no "American Nation" by the reality of the metrics you claim, and hasn't been for over a century. The Irish Potato Famine dealt a crippling blow to that, because the Irish were not the same ethnic group or culture. In other words, see below:

The notion that race is just skin color (which I'm seeing repeated by like a half dozen people here) seems... entirely borrowed from a 5th grade understanding of the civil rights movement as a morality tale. An albino African is not European, nor is well-tanned European mixed.

Race is identifiable by bone structure, by bone marrow, by blood, and by genes. Different peoples have different rates of genetic diseases, different resistances to communicable diseases, different heights, are prone to different feats of athleticism- for instance, it's hardly coincidence that the fastest sprinters hail from one part of Africa and the fastest long distance runners another, nor is it coincidence that the world's greatest strongmen hail from Scandinavia. Skin color is merely an easily identifiable trait which correlates fairly well with broad racial categories.

Race is far more then the colour of someone’s skin. Just like an identity, it’s the sum total of a person.

...This is logically incoherent at a basic level because you're saying two different things are the sum total of a person, and is utterly ridiculous besides because there's a fuck of a lot more to a person than inherited characteristics. There's loads of environmental factors with a wide variety of impacts. Simply not having enough to eat can turbo-fuck mental capacity.

 

[DocSolarisReich]

There is no "American Nation" by the reality of the metrics you claim, and hasn't been for over a century.

No shit sherlock, you're just now figuring this out?

 

[Bacle]

Ah. You've been bullied by white women, so now you won't consider dating any. That's racist even by the "old" (and proper) definition, dude. White women as a collective (in so much as there even is such a thing) are not responsible for bullying you. If you're just not physically attracted to all/most white women, that's another matter entirely and is perfectly your right, but just say so.

Creepy vibes.

Oh, I'm attracted to them, on a physical level.

However I'm not interested in a relationship with one, for multiple reasons.

It isn't racism of any sort, or creepy, it's simply having a preference for women that don't look like the ones I've been stuck around and bullied by most of my life.

Plus, as I've said, melonomia is a real concern of mine and I'd prefer any kids I have not face the same risk level.

Maybe this sort of logic doesn't grock with you, so you default to insults about me being racist and creepy because it's easier than accepting someone could have multiple legit reasons for wanting thier kids to have darker skin than themselves.

 

[LindyAF]

Simply not having enough to eat can turbo-fuck mental capacity.

Yes. Similarly, severing someone's feet can destroy their mile time, breaking their arms can cripple their bench, and blinding them can dramatically reduce their visual acuity.

...what's your point here? I never suggested environmental factors don't exist.

 

[LindyAF]

>Race isn't real because tattoos result in darkened skin, checkmate bigots!

How will we ever recover?!?

 

[ShieldWife]

That's racist even by the "old" (and proper) definition, dude.

What do you consider to be the old and proper definition?

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Which ethnic group would folks consider an american citizen who has italian, english, irish and norwegian ancestry in him?

 

[DocSolarisReich]

Which ethnic group would folks consider an american citizen who has italian, english, irish and norwegian ancestry in him?

Chances are that such a person is an Amerikaner from the Mid West.

 

[Bacle]

Which ethnic group would folks consider an american citizen who has italian, english, irish and norwegian ancestry in him?

You're just a mutt, like most people who have tons of different European ethnicities in thier family.

Edit: Being a mutt isn't a bad thing, either; focus on ethnic or racial purity is un-American to the extreme.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Chances are that such a person is an Amerikaner from the Mid West.

Americaner isnt really a term most people outside of our sphere would use tho.

What ethnicity would the average person with that background claim?

 

[LindyAF]

Americaner isnt really a term most people outside of our sphere would use tho.

What ethnicity would the average person with that background claim?

White American.

I disagree with those who say this isn't an ethnic group. It is a meaningfully distinct Ethnic group, a subset of European but not pan-European. It's a relatively new one, but all ethnic groups were new at one point in their history.